Versatility On BLU In VW
Versatility on BLU in VW
In order to set DW/TA/STP there are physical spells in those lists...
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Full spell list:
BLU/WAR
Heavy Strike
Empty Thrash
Acrid Stream
Demoralizing Roar
Quad. Continuum
Delta Thrust
Barbed Crescent
Blazing Bound
Mortal Ray
Animating Wail
Sudden Lunge
Fantod
Shares the slot with a couple of other jobs, but yes.
BLU/WAR
Heavy Strike
Empty Thrash
Acrid Stream
Demoralizing Roar
Quad. Continuum
Delta Thrust
Barbed Crescent
Blazing Bound
Mortal Ray
Animating Wail
Sudden Lunge
Fantod
Sylph.Kimble said: »
So that would mean BLU is the 2nd best DD in the game now? Damn times have changed.
Shares the slot with a couple of other jobs, but yes.
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You don't set Batt Charge or Magic fruit, do you? I'm thinking to remove these and fully rely on Lucid Potions... because currently I'm lacking set points for Triple Attack.
EDIT: derp, was quick replying from last page, didn't see the post above.
EDIT: derp, was quick replying from last page, didn't see the post above.
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Mostly useless with good support/overall in VW, yeah. Infinite Potions and Ethers are pretty broken.
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Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
In order to set DW/TA/STP there are physical spells in those lists...
didn't ignore them, i just asked if he bothered with CA and Efflux
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I use Efflux to extend the duration of Bilgestorm. CA I don't waste my TP on.
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How I woudl want to parse with You lol.
Blu is very decent those days but its far from WAR.
Im not sure what we missing in those calculations but in realtity WAR will do like 50% more dmg.
Can you post melee damage from those Qilins parse above? or Pils? or Uptala?
Blu is very decent those days but its far from WAR.
Im not sure what we missing in those calculations but in realtity WAR will do like 50% more dmg.
Can you post melee damage from those Qilins parse above? or Pils? or Uptala?
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50% is a bit of an exaggeration, especially when you're talking about Voidwatch. Blu isn't just "decent" these days, it's plain and simple good and not as far from War as you are implying.
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50% is more than exaggerating. I already have the melee damage posted for one of the Qilin parses.
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
BLU shouldn't be overtaking a good WAR, however the gap between the two jobs also shouldn't be any larger than 5~8% in the WAR's favor.
I'd love to see these calculations.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
That's over the course of several Qilins. The gap isn't quite as large as you seem to be implying.
Some more of my CDC averages:
Pil
Another Qilin
One more Qilin, this one I have no buffs aside from my own
As for T6, as long as I have melee buffs, my damage does drop off, but so does everyone else's. BLU doesn't suffer more than anyone else.
I can post parses, too!
TL;DR 3700 Ukko average over 4-5 Qilin.
Don't get me wrong, I understand the point of this thread and discussion: BLU is a decent, arguably top tier, DD in many situations that's often overlooked. Although, to imply that it's 5% behind a properly geared WAR, MNK, DRK or SAM? Ridiculous. That just isn't going to happen. If it does, something is catastrophically wrong with the other DD.
Is it worth replacing any of those jobs with a BLU in a main DD party? Probably not. Will it effect the outcome at all if you did put a BLU in the main DD party? Probably not. I will admit, it's nice to see BLU can put up decent numbers in VW, especially when most just proc magic and afk, but the same argument can be had for NIN, PUP, DNC and THF if geared/buffed properly.
I also understand most of these parses are with PUG groups, but don't think because you beat a PUG WAR it means you can beat any WAR. Good ones do exist in this vast Universe.
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Your WAR is far from being an average WAR first off, but we'll go with that. Given your 3700 average, I'd hazard a wager that you were far better buffed than I ever have been, however I'm not about to claim that CDC will ever average close to 3700 damage.
A good BLU is more than worth their slot in a DD party, especially if you're sizing them up against the likes of a MNK or a DRK. Comparing BLU to PUP and NIN shows your level of ignorance on the subject of BLU DD. BLU is superior to either of those jobs by quite a decent margin.
All I really see in your post is condescending notions and disregard for what the job has become, a clinging to the stigmas of a bygone era that should no longer exist.
The fact that, what I assume to be your BLU, parsed only 6.31% shows me a level of incompetence in their playstyle or abilities at the job as a whole, which could be helping sway your views. Just as you base your claims in the fact that good WARs exist, which is obvious, good BLUs such as myself exist as well. None of the Chant du Cygne wielding participants in that parse fall under that category.
The parse that I posted was against three or four Qilins, and I over doubled the strongest Almace wielder in your alliance. Given the disparity in number of fights, judging by the damage I'd done, I would place myself under only you and the Apocalypse DRK in that fight. That is without accounting for further disparity in potential buffs I could be receiving.
A good BLU is more than worth their slot in a DD party, especially if you're sizing them up against the likes of a MNK or a DRK. Comparing BLU to PUP and NIN shows your level of ignorance on the subject of BLU DD. BLU is superior to either of those jobs by quite a decent margin.
All I really see in your post is condescending notions and disregard for what the job has become, a clinging to the stigmas of a bygone era that should no longer exist.
The fact that, what I assume to be your BLU, parsed only 6.31% shows me a level of incompetence in their playstyle or abilities at the job as a whole, which could be helping sway your views. Just as you base your claims in the fact that good WARs exist, which is obvious, good BLUs such as myself exist as well. None of the Chant du Cygne wielding participants in that parse fall under that category.
The parse that I posted was against three or four Qilins, and I over doubled the strongest Almace wielder in your alliance. Given the disparity in number of fights, judging by the damage I'd done, I would place myself under only you and the Apocalypse DRK in that fight. That is without accounting for further disparity in potential buffs I could be receiving.
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We all need to have a test-server parse off. I have some dance moves I need to smear over some ***' faces, too.
And I want to see Proth's BLU in action >:{
And I want to see Proth's BLU in action >:{
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Well, im confused, why show a parse? I mean, that more shows how good you do but not really show how good it is if playing with other good players right?
Math would show that better, or is it hard to math something like that out because we dont know the values of the VW nms?
Math would show that better, or is it hard to math something like that out because we dont know the values of the VW nms?
My parse was just to show what an above average WAR can do, as yours was to show what an above average BLU can do. Now we see there's a much larger gap in WS average than when you were comparing with PUG WARs.
As for being ignorant about BLU, ok, I'll give you that; I'm not a BLU expert, but you're just as grossly ignorant to say BLU is within 5% of a WAR.
As for being ignorant about BLU, ok, I'll give you that; I'm not a BLU expert, but you're just as grossly ignorant to say BLU is within 5% of a WAR.
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5-8% to be specific, however I'll concede this one time and increase that to 8-11%. At maximum.
I will not, however, allow you to say that BLU is not worth a slot in a DD party, nor will I concede to the fact of BLU being subordinate to MNK or DRK, nor equal to NIN or PUP.
I will not, however, allow you to say that BLU is not worth a slot in a DD party, nor will I concede to the fact of BLU being subordinate to MNK or DRK, nor equal to NIN or PUP.
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I think you missed my point with the NIN/PUP statement. I wasn't insisting they were better; I was only implying with proper gear and buffs they become acceptable, as does BLU. Or are you impying without songs/rolls blu can keep up?
As for having a slot in the DD party. I thought I was clear implying that, although not as good, it was close enough for it not mattering if any were swapped. I can, however, say with 99% certainty, BLU is subordinated by DRK(apoc or rag) and MNK, as both of those jobs can easily give a WAR a run for their money, and often stay neck and neck.
As for having a slot in the DD party. I thought I was clear implying that, although not as good, it was close enough for it not mattering if any were swapped. I can, however, say with 99% certainty, BLU is subordinated by DRK(apoc or rag) and MNK, as both of those jobs can easily give a WAR a run for their money, and often stay neck and neck.
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A DRK possibly, a MNK no, I will not say that a MNK is better than a BLU. Equal, most definitely, but not better.
Are you taking into account BLU's absolutely phenomenal utilization of Aftermath and white damage? Or are you only looking at weaponskill damage? That's where most go wrong.
Are you taking into account BLU's absolutely phenomenal utilization of Aftermath and white damage? Or are you only looking at weaponskill damage? That's where most go wrong.
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A just parse would need both people to go all out DD with 0 interference of procing, or one get unslept/unstoned faster than the other. Fair parse, is just an ideal notion.
I still personally find my Kanto SAM better than my BLU. A Hassanshin proc (1 initial+1 hassanshin) would give me back 60TP. In voidwatch, this make my TP go back 100 again (20 save TP, 20 TP return from shoha, 60 hassanshin). Happened close to 14.5% of the time and very few WS that falls under 2k, should make my SAM better than my BLU.
I still personally find my Kanto SAM better than my BLU. A Hassanshin proc (1 initial+1 hassanshin) would give me back 60TP. In voidwatch, this make my TP go back 100 again (20 save TP, 20 TP return from shoha, 60 hassanshin). Happened close to 14.5% of the time and very few WS that falls under 2k, should make my SAM better than my BLU.
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WAR and SAM being better than BLU isn't what's being disputed.
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I kind of have a hard time believing BLU is a better DD than MNK.
Impetus lasting the entire fight is basically why I'm saying MNK would beat BLU. There are only 3 VWNMs I can think of that might still be alive after 3min.
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I'm still only willing to say that they're equal. Assuming equal skill and relatively equal gear, at most, I wouldn't see the MNK being more than a couple % over a good BLU, and that could go either way, depending.
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Well
As far as BLU v MNK
My WSDMG on Qilin/Uptala/Past-T6 is higher than what you posted for your parses, and I'm never w/a COR on MNK. At most I get 2xMarch or 1xM/Scherzo.
If you're arguing white damage for BLU is higher than a Vere MNK->
As far as BLU v MNK
My WSDMG on Qilin/Uptala/Past-T6 is higher than what you posted for your parses, and I'm never w/a COR on MNK. At most I get 2xMarch or 1xM/Scherzo.
If you're arguing white damage for BLU is higher than a Vere MNK->
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Bahamut.Atoreis said: »
How I woudl want to parse with You lol.
Blu is very decent those days but its far from WAR.
Im not sure what we missing in those calculations but in realtity WAR will do like 50% more dmg.
Can you post melee damage from those Qilins parse above? or Pils? or Uptala?
Blu is very decent those days but its far from WAR.
Im not sure what we missing in those calculations but in realtity WAR will do like 50% more dmg.
Can you post melee damage from those Qilins parse above? or Pils? or Uptala?
50%? Get real man, lol.
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Careful guys, bad things happen when you threaten WAR and MNK e-peen.
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Careful guys, bad things happen when you threaten WAR and MNK e-peen.
*coughcoughdncsuckscoughcough*
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Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Bahamut.Atoreis said: »
How I woudl want to parse with You lol.
Blu is very decent those days but its far from WAR.
Im not sure what we missing in those calculations but in realtity WAR will do like 50% more dmg.
Can you post melee damage from those Qilins parse above? or Pils? or Uptala?
Blu is very decent those days but its far from WAR.
Im not sure what we missing in those calculations but in realtity WAR will do like 50% more dmg.
Can you post melee damage from those Qilins parse above? or Pils? or Uptala?
50%? Get real man, lol.
50% more dmg like IF Blu parse 10% WAR should parse around 15% at least.
IF BLU parse 20% WAR should parse 30% etc.
I actually think it might be more than 50% but 50% is safe assumption.
I get the feeling, you don't convey your thoughts correctly.
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
50% is more than exaggerating. I already have the melee damage posted for one of the Qilin parses.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
I would place myself under only you and the Apocalypse DRK in that fight.
Ejiin said:
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Bokura 207575 19.38 % Ejiin 276956 25.86 %
This DRK was 33% behind this WAR
You would be behind DRK and around 50% behind WAR.
Sounds right.
I dont have a problem with spelling my thought correctly.
I wrote
Atoreis said:
but in realtity WAR will do like 50% more dmg.
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