Versatility On BLU In VW

Anyone having success with their BLU when they have nothing to proc or are there for placebo effect? I for sure am doing my best to make the most out of something alot of people write off and hopefully people will learn that one of the most versatile jobs in the game can also excel if effort is put into it.

So please do post how you go about what you can do and how you go about it, and hopefully this job would get shined in a better light. :D

From a DD perspective this would be a small sample parse from a qilin to kinda try to get this thread started.

Current situation is im stuck in the mage party so only buffs I have is /war, red curry bun, and temps. The WARx2, DRK (Goodjuice), and MNK are in the COR party if I recall correctly.





Here are my current TP and WS sets

TP:

NOTE: Almace is currently at lvl 85, and Shikargar is STR path.

WS:


Please contribute if you can, and give advice or gear tips for the sake of improvement.

Thanks for reading!

Use Kacura +1 for CDC boots

You really think its worth inventory slot on job like BLU who is struggling with inventory space even w/o things like that ?

4DEX is +2 base dmg
6STR is at most +2base dmg

So the difference assuming athos gives +1crit rate from set bonus is:

3att, 1%crit rate vs 2acc and probably close to or more than 1%crit from dDEX.

Dont really see kacura even winning most of the time.

You'd think that, but Kacura +1 are good for physical spells also.

I still wouldnt use it over Athos for CDC.

dDEX in CDC set is usually in the range when 4DEX is at least 1%crit and can be more.

Depends on what your other jobs are
Kacura +1 is my Jishnu's boots, Evis boots, and CDC boots, also works as Eva boots on DNC.

Athos's would compress my Homam Gambieras and Lithe Boots/Scopuli nails into 1 slot, but that's 2 different job. (BLU and DNC).

And yes, Kacura is generally good for Physical spells. That's the reason to keep it anyhow, even if you have Scopuli Nails/Athos's boots.

I guess it can't be wrong to use it if you still need dDEX. I already at 180 DEX in my VW CDC set, so I think dDEX should be capped most of the time.

With 180 dDEX you are far from capped dDEX on anything relevant. Its probably enough for Dynamis but not close to be enough for higher tier VW.

That's not necessarily true.

Botulus Rex has 137 INT, 89 MND

Even if his AGI is near his INT (it's not), then you're still not far from capping it. You cap at dDEX = 50, so in this case, if AGI=INT, you'd need 187 DEX to cap.

It's safe to assume other VWNM have similar stats, I'd say.

TBH, I had estimated them to be mostly hovering around the 110-115 range on average. Braver's closes the gap.

tl;dr VWNMs don't have super high stats and Braver's mostly makes up for the small gap that exists.

BLU isn't versatile. In fact, it's become extremely useful because it's drifted so far from versatility. It went from a hybrid melee-spellcaster that was fairly useless for everything to a very respectable melee job that hardly ever touches the spell list outside of proc situations.

Thats bs lol.

I can tell you one spell that completely change everything in lowman. Sudden Lunge. Another one Dream flower. I need to go but I could go on with that

Not using your versatility doesn't make you not versatile. But I do agree with what you're point is. We might use our spells more if they could compare to high haste high buff situations with Almace. Every spell cast is time taking out of our melee and reduces ws frequency but I still like having the option to put my own haste back up or erase myself or land a good stun.

Cite an example. I could be overlooking something, but what is there to "low-man" in the traditional sense of the phrase? Abyssea? Old content? What is that you're sleeping? What is it that Sudden Lunge's handful of possible effective uses is helping with so much?

It's a proc job. Even with 2 BLU, there's almost zero room for any non-proc spell. Lately though a lot of BLU (myself included) have fallen into the habit of just hanging around until someone calls out a BLU element.

Meh I go /nin to VW to save setting spells for DW, set Triple Attack, sTP2, auto-refresh haste and refresh spells, that leaves me just enough to set one set of elemental proc spells.

You can set TA, DW3, and STP1 while leaving room for any elemental proc set. STP2 and auto-refresh aren't in leagues with Berserk, Aggressor, Warcry, attack bonus, and DA.

I suppose so, I'll have to try that.

I only recognize one name on that list. Do you sleep all day, or what?

Also, Ukko War parses 12 and you parse 16 :|

Dynamis.
Pull 10 mobs and sleep them and use AoE debuffs to stagger(beastmens).
Sudden lunge and dream flower is just priceless for lowmaning Beastmens in dynamis. Go low man high lvl hydra mobs and try to survive through hundred fists.

Sudden lunge is enough itself to duo with brd instead of healer and that makes it probably most effective (in term of DD) duo in game.
BLU/dnc can stagger with ja/ws/magic too.
Salvage farm again for the reasons above.

Those both examples above are maybe old content but that are two most rewarding with gils events in game and main farm spots.

I don't think anyone would deny how potent BLU is in Dynamis, but having one outlet to utilize all of the tools at your disposal doesn't really make a case for BLU still being extra-special versatile. It has become quite powerful in every other facet of the game because it's able to mostly abandon spellcasting.

Not subbing WAR and going full on melee DD in this day and age is doing yourself a disservice. BLU is absolutely one of the most potent melee DD jobs currently.

Seeing as this thread is about Voidwatch, I don't see the point in arguing BLU's versatility and large range of tools in Abyssea, Dynamis, etc. as everyone should already know that BLU dominates older content due to its large array of cheap damage output and access to most every facet of debuff, buff, heal, CC, etc.

On BLU I've just started subbing whm to help with cures and stuff while I wait for procs to be called.
I know I could do more, like deal dmg etc, but having to reset spells all the time kinda kills my dmg anyways, and it's not like proper DDs have an issue killing stuff fast enough if the proccers do their job.
Actually, having ninjas and stuff melee when they'r supposed to proc with spells can be annoying as ***, as it delays the procs.
Same thing goes for BLU.

Setting proc spells shouldn't be affecting your ability to deal damage in the slightest.

Also @ Marquiss, TP in Toci+Ocelomeh and WS in Kacura Boots +1.

Fixed. It was a proc job before 99 cap and the periapt of clarity, but I've been enjoying my spot in the DD parties lately.

Huh? I end up resetting spells maybe every other fight, BLU procs aren't that common and there's plenty of room to set good traits and a full element's worth of spells. Ninjas should definitely be meleeing too, it doesn't delay them procing at all.

I'm curious about what went wrong with those warriors.

Same but i'm gonna guess that they were procing other weapons

By my calculation, BLU should be able to get the following in an ideal TP set from the next update:

32% DA
11% TA
3% QA

Capped dDEX

+5% Crit rate

Sizable and respectable attack

Capped hit rate on most targets



There's room for this set to be augmented to add a couple more points of crit rate+ in a slot or two, but I don't see it being worth it in most circumstances.


Only getting better from here. Amazing how far the job has come.



As far as the WAR v. BLU discrepancy: BLU shouldn't be overtaking a good WAR, however the gap between the two jobs also shouldn't be any larger than 5~8% in the WAR's favor.

I totally agree. However, given that most of the VW runs I do with a slightly better than average shout group, the mobs die fast. If the blu is setting optimal spells for DD, they have to reset spells for proc. 1 minute cooldown everytime someone calls out a proc means the blu shouldn't be that high on the list. Even if the war isn't full on DD'ing to get procs, the blu mage shouldn't even be close to the 22% Ragnarok drk on that list who I know is going balls to the wall all fight. It gives me the impression that the blu is setting only DD spells and throwing proc's to the wind.

That being said I could be completely wrong. I'm not saying blu isn't a formidable job at all.... I'm just saying that having to set "trigger spells" makes blu a pain in the *** to be on for VW XD.

You shouldn't be setting any spells to deal damage. Spells are for traits only, which leaves you with enough room for 1-2 sets of elemental procs depending on which elements come up.

Chant du Cygne and melee DoT are BLU's only forms of damage in Voidwatch when you aren't standing back and using nukes on the couple of NMs that are better suited to that style.

The only time I stop swinging my swords and weaponskilling is to cast my proc spells, which takes under 20 seconds. It takes me no time to set my proc spells, usually I lose only about 10-20 TP.

Everything Pro said. I've had a reasonably capable BLU for less than week and I'm aware of these things.