@etoll... Exactly why I never posted these before. But, apparently some people have terrible luck. Maybe this is payback from me being 1/86 on my own hauby +1 back in the day. I've go e 3/x more than once, and x has never been more than 9.
Its 10% HQ... not more 1% when long time ago... so its nice to got 3/5 for sure.. but if you got Tiers 10% HQ and use food craft, you cant be 0/69... just put smithing high enougt and sub too.