What OP fails to realize and mostly the majority of the people. Is that the Islamic people that we hear about on the news are illiterate. Who really do not know what really is in the Koran. Are being taught my extremist groups to hate non-Muslims.
Now if every Muslim would follow the true teachings of the Qur'an(Koran). It would be a different story.
What OP fails to realize and mostly the majority of the people. Is that the Islamic people that we hear about on the news are illiterate. Who really do not know what really is in the Koran. Are being taught my extremist groups to hate non-Muslims.
Now if every Muslim would follow the true teachings of the Qur'an(Koran). It would be a different story.
berkas? you mean Veil? just like what Mary the Mother of Jesus put on her head? what problem with that?
Some Islamic countries are more modern and do not wear one.
You didnt get my point at all.
Explain this to me, why do foreign women visiting some Islamic countries have to wear a veil?
Why do you treat your women the way you do?
The silent majority isn't doing anything about it.
How come Islamic men have no problems staring at American/UK and other none of Islamic descent women? Oh hey, but let us stone our own.
What is the problem with veils you ask. ID for once. How do we know the person under that veil is the person they say they are? How do we know it is not a guy in disguise?
If you do not like it, why did you move out of your Islamic nations?
If you can not respect the customs of the rest of the world. Why should they do the same for you?
You clearly do not know what is going on in the UK.
Do you want the rest of the world come into your countries and change your laws or your way of living?
are you replying to OP or my recent post,you arent specific and yet you act like a real *** for no reason
OK A-DUMB. You're an idiot, stfu already. You're just mad because you cannot put together a proper sentence for the LIFE of you. I didn't say anything to you, so why don't you do everyone a favor and *** off. "cooladam" HAHAHAHAHA, seriously..
Bahahahahaha. Every time I read something that is written by you, my I.Q drops significantly.. Learn to speak proper English you stupid ***. Oh wait, "this aint a english essay" right? I forgot, because it's "cool" to sound like an uneducated *** hat. Teehee, sorry. I just realllllllly Can't stand you. Don't get sad just because I denied your msn request, for the 2nd time...
What does me "acting like a real ***" have to do with what I wrote? Was it bitchy to say "agreed" ? No, it was not. Taa taa.
are you replying to OP or my recent post,you arent specific and yet you act like a real *** for no reason
OK A-DUMB. You're an idiot, stfu already. You're just mad because you cannot put together a proper sentence for the LIFE of you. I didn't say anything to you, so why don't you do everyone a favor and *** off. "cooladam" HAHAHAHAHA, seriously..
Bahahahahaha. Every time I read something that is written by you, my I.Q drops significantly.. Learn to speak proper English you stupid ***. Oh wait, "this aint a english essay" right? I forgot, because it's "cool" to sound like an uneducated *** hat. Teehee, sorry. I just realllllllly Can't stand you. Don't get sad just because I denied your msn request, for the 2nd time...
What does me "acting like a real ***" have to do with what I wrote? Was it bitchy to say "agreed" ? No, it was not. Taa taa.
Ignore him, he's a troll like no other.. Change your Avatar pic too, or else he might try to E-date you since you are female.
are you replying to OP or my recent post,you arent specific and yet you act like a real *** for no reason
OK A-DUMB. You're an idiot, stfu already. You're just mad because you cannot put together a proper sentence for the LIFE of you. I didn't say anything to you, so why don't you do everyone a favor and *** off. "cooladam" HAHAHAHAHA, seriously..
Bahahahahaha. Every time I read something that is written by you, my I.Q drops significantly.. Learn to speak proper English you stupid ***. Oh wait, "this aint a english essay" right? I forgot, because it's "cool" to sound like an uneducated *** hat. Teehee, sorry. I just realllllllly Can't stand you. Don't get sad just because I denied your msn request, for the 2nd time...
What does me "acting like a real ***" have to do with what I wrote? Was it bitchy to say "agreed" ? No, it was not. Taa taa.
are you replying to OP or my recent post,you arent specific and yet you act like a real *** for no reason
OK A-DUMB. You're an idiot, stfu already. You're just mad because you cannot put together a proper sentence for the LIFE of you. I didn't say anything to you, so why don't you do everyone a favor and *** off. "cooladam" HAHAHAHAHA, seriously..
Bahahahahaha. Every time I read something that is written by you, my I.Q drops significantly.. Learn to speak proper English you stupid ***. Oh wait, "this aint a english essay" right? I forgot, because it's "cool" to sound like an uneducated *** hat. Teehee, sorry. I just realllllllly Can't stand you. Don't get sad just because I denied your msn request, for the 2nd time...
What does me "acting like a real ***" have to do with what I wrote? Was it bitchy to say "agreed" ? No, it was not. Taa taa.
um to be honest i really dont wanna talk to you,and i know how to speak *** english ok,i have a high school diploma not a GED.
are you replying to OP or my recent post,you arent specific and yet you act like a real *** for no reason
OK A-DUMB. You're an idiot, stfu already. You're just mad because you cannot put together a proper sentence for the LIFE of you. I didn't say anything to you, so why don't you do everyone a favor and *** off. "cooladam" HAHAHAHAHA, seriously..
Bahahahahaha. Every time I read something that is written by you, my I.Q drops significantly.. Learn to speak proper English you stupid ***. Oh wait, "this aint a english essay" right? I forgot, because it's "cool" to sound like an uneducated *** hat. Teehee, sorry. I just realllllllly Can't stand you. Don't get sad just because I denied your msn request, for the 2nd time...
What does me "acting like a real ***" have to do with what I wrote? Was it bitchy to say "agreed" ? No, it was not. Taa taa.
um to be honest i really dont wanna talk to you,and i know how to speak *** english ok,i have a high school diploma not a GED.
Why do you even try anymore? Just tuck your tail between your legs and run away like a good little ***..
are you replying to OP or my recent post,you arent specific and yet you act like a real *** for no reason
OK A-DUMB. You're an idiot, stfu already. You're just mad because you cannot put together a proper sentence for the LIFE of you. I didn't say anything to you, so why don't you do everyone a favor and *** off. "cooladam" HAHAHAHAHA, seriously..
Bahahahahaha. Every time I read something that is written by you, my I.Q drops significantly.. Learn to speak proper English you stupid ***. Oh wait, "this aint a english essay" right? I forgot, because it's "cool" to sound like an uneducated *** hat. Teehee, sorry. I just realllllllly Can't stand you. Don't get sad just because I denied your msn request, for the 2nd time...
What does me "acting like a real ***" have to do with what I wrote? Was it bitchy to say "agreed" ? No, it was not. Taa taa.
um to be honest i really dont wanna talk to you,and i know how to speak *** english ok,i have a high school diploma not a GED.
HAHAHAH That made NO *** sense whatsoever. That was random as ***. lol ahahhaa omg. lol hahaha omg..
Thanks for the laugh. You don't want to talk to me, sooo when did you decide this?? After I blocked you on msn?? or after I denied the last 2 requests? Oh you are so... stupid.
are you replying to OP or my recent post,you arent specific and yet you act like a real *** for no reason
OK A-DUMB. You're an idiot, stfu already. You're just mad because you cannot put together a proper sentence for the LIFE of you. I didn't say anything to you, so why don't you do everyone a favor and *** off. "cooladam" HAHAHAHAHA, seriously..
Bahahahahaha. Every time I read something that is written by you, my I.Q drops significantly.. Learn to speak proper English you stupid ***. Oh wait, "this aint a english essay" right? I forgot, because it's "cool" to sound like an uneducated *** hat. Teehee, sorry. I just realllllllly Can't stand you. Don't get sad just because I denied your msn request, for the 2nd time...
What does me "acting like a real ***" have to do with what I wrote? Was it bitchy to say "agreed" ? No, it was not. Taa taa.
um to be honest i really dont wanna talk to you,and i know how to speak *** english ok,i have a high school diploma not a GED.
HAHAHAH That made NO *** sense whatsoever. That was random as ***. lol ahahhaa omg. lol hahaha omg..
Thanks for the laugh. You don't want to talk to me, sooo when did you decide this?? After I blocked you on msn?? or after I denied the last 2 requests? Oh you are so... stupid.
am glad i avoided you in all my years on shiva,your one of those *** who think they can get what they want cause female,also glad i bought gill on that server
Action I talk from experience being born in the Former USSR.
Being an Armenian(Christian) born in Baku, Azerbaijan (Muslim). Seeing Azeri neighbors, the people you know and lived with for years, slaughter their Christian neighbors. Some of whom you considered friends.
are you replying to OP or my recent post,you arent specific and yet you act like a real *** for no reason
OK A-DUMB. You're an idiot, stfu already. You're just mad because you cannot put together a proper sentence for the LIFE of you. I didn't say anything to you, so why don't you do everyone a favor and *** off. "cooladam" HAHAHAHAHA, seriously..
Bahahahahaha. Every time I read something that is written by you, my I.Q drops significantly.. Learn to speak proper English you stupid ***. Oh wait, "this aint a english essay" right? I forgot, because it's "cool" to sound like an uneducated *** hat. Teehee, sorry. I just realllllllly Can't stand you. Don't get sad just because I denied your msn request, for the 2nd time...
What does me "acting like a real ***" have to do with what I wrote? Was it bitchy to say "agreed" ? No, it was not. Taa taa.
um to be honest i really dont wanna talk to you,and i know how to speak *** english ok,i have a high school diploma not a GED.
HAHAHAH That made NO *** sense whatsoever. That was random as ***. lol ahahhaa omg. lol hahaha omg..
Thanks for the laugh. You don't want to talk to me, sooo when did you decide this?? After I blocked you on msn?? or after I denied the last 2 requests? Oh you are so... stupid.
am glad i avoided you in all my years on shiva,your one of those *** who think they can get what they want cause female,also glad i bought gill on that server
ONCE AGAIN...YOU MAKE NO *** SENSE... I can't believe you just admitted to buying gil.. lol in front of everyone.. Haha you are dumber than I thought.
You never cease to amaze me with your stupidity. Sooo I guess they didn't teach you the difference between Your and You're in high school? So much for that diploma. lol.
Oh YES, I think I can get what I want, because I'm female! lol wtf? Oh that was called sarcasm because I'm sure your little pea brain can't grasp that through the written word.
Action I talk from experience being born in the Former USSR.
Being an Armenian(Christian) born in Baku, Azerbaijan (Muslim). Seeing Azeri neighbors, the people you know and lived with for years, slaughter their Christian neighbors. Some of whom you considered friends.
Me living through it and surviving.
Do not even get me started on Armenian Genocide.
Glad to hear you made it through. Sorry that you had to live that strife, no one should be put through something like that.
are you replying to OP or my recent post,you arent specific and yet you act like a real *** for no reason
OK A-DUMB. You're an idiot, stfu already. You're just mad because you cannot put together a proper sentence for the LIFE of you. I didn't say anything to you, so why don't you do everyone a favor and *** off. "cooladam" HAHAHAHAHA, seriously..
Bahahahahaha. Every time I read something that is written by you, my I.Q drops significantly.. Learn to speak proper English you stupid ***. Oh wait, "this aint a english essay" right? I forgot, because it's "cool" to sound like an uneducated *** hat. Teehee, sorry. I just realllllllly Can't stand you. Don't get sad just because I denied your msn request, for the 2nd time...
What does me "acting like a real ***" have to do with what I wrote? Was it bitchy to say "agreed" ? No, it was not. Taa taa.
um to be honest i really dont wanna talk to you,and i know how to speak *** english ok,i have a high school diploma not a GED.
HAHAHAH That made NO *** sense whatsoever. That was random as ***. lol ahahhaa omg. lol hahaha omg..
Thanks for the laugh. You don't want to talk to me, sooo when did you decide this?? After I blocked you on msn?? or after I denied the last 2 requests? Oh you are so... stupid.
am glad i avoided you in all my years on shiva,your one of those *** who think they can get what they want cause female,also glad i bought gill on that server
ONCE AGAIN...YOU MAKE NO *** SENSE... I can't believe you just admitted to buying gil.. lol in front of everyone.. Haha you are dumber than I thought.
You never cease to amaze me with your stupidity. Sooo I guess they didn't teach you the difference between Your and You're in high school? So much for that diploma. lol.
Oh YES, I think I can get what I want, because I'm female! lol wtf? Oh that was called sarcasm because I'm sure your little pea brain can't grasp that through the written word.
For once he can actually say 'and you all just eat it up'
That was the only time I've read thus far where he ACTUALLY said something just to rile people up (as opposed to pretty much every other post of his that is met with controversy where he tries to play it off)
As for the other part, 1 million gil says he's only saying that he's glad he avoided you because he already tried to get cyber-puss from you and he failed, just like with every other girl he's tried it on..
Slipispsycho just seen your BST gear and almost barfed in my undies and tell your wife i said hello for me
At least I don't try to hide my gear after being called out on it.. Or make up 100% transparent excuses to salvage what little integrity and respect I have left after being called out.
You'll have to squeeze out every bit of wittiness and brain power you have to find anything that comes close to offending me or making me angry.. (Sorry to tell you, but telling me to say hello to my wife for you or focusing on my gear just isn't going to cut it.)
EDIT: Damn I knew I was forgetting something
At least I HAVE a female counterpart.. I don't need to try and find some girl willing to E-Date me.
Rafik i said this before and ill say it again, our book dont say put mask on woman face... and u say under like we put our womans in boxes..
it the thing on hair and all face shown and its custom not part of the religion what u want to see her *** to know if she the person or no? i agree with you there is some old custom and stuff like that we arabs even stagger at it.
but man be fair and blame the HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE People not the whole thing and im not mad or something it just sad when ppl like u miss understand what "really" going on. and sad to see shitty stuff happen in islam name.
and btw bro There is 21 arab countries and in 20 of them there is no law or the imposition of the veil idk where u got that one from. which means US/UK woman dont have to were anything.
and what u mean "treat your women way u do" what do u you came here? before u been in this society? or you just follow the crowd and beelive anything?
How come Islamic men have no problems staring at American/UK and other none of Islamic descent women? Oh hey, but let us stone our own. i have no idea about that but in my opinion lol "muslim man staring" what is the difference arab or foreign it same and called "rude" or it become big deal cuze he muslim lots ppl staring.... arabs indiain japanese i bet in US and UK too.
anyway this is boring ill leave this ***and ill keep play in peace, in the end it policies on the top of me and you, not in our hands to change. peace \o/
I didn't say that all Islamic countries :P
Some have become more modern over the years yes. Now if our leaders could have talks/discussions like these ones peacefully. More power to them.
Most people just want to live in peace and do their own thing.
I think I figured out how it is possible that the large majority of people from the Muslim world would be so profoundly offended when their Prophet is criticized or made fun of. I mean, to them, it could very well look obvious, yet it seems they do not really understand why either. A lot of them just accept that someone would be killed for depicting the prophet Mohamed, even though we ask them why, in a way that we feel cannot be argued with. How is it possible that someone would be hated for openly making fun of something as mundane as religion, we ask? I think I can reasonably explain why they would accept the idea, believe it or not. I want to know what is to be done if we're going to help these people stop feeling so persecuted and if we’re going to finally gain the right to criticize Islam, as it should be, without threatening the people in it. The answer, I think, lies in our perceptions of what religion is versus where it should stand in relations to ethnicity. Help me out.
First, it is difficult to argue against the idea that Islam, to this day, is majorly against the advancement of secular culture. It is associated so directly to what I would refer, for lack of a better word, Arabian culture, that criticizing a religion tied so closely with it, appears (at least from my personal experience) to insult them, as people. Another factor to consider is how Muslims, despite their divisions, have the strength in numbers to lead us into being cautious about criticizing Islamic beliefs, even if it shouldn’t be so. Any critic, whether it is well intentioned or backed with incredibly solid and logical arguments, seems to backfire when it is targeted at Islam. More than often, it seems to be giving more reasons to feel justified, leading Islamic countries to cocoon themselves from modern secular culture. Unlike other ethnicities that are also extremely tied to their religion; the Jews, for example, the fact that they’re over a billion, somewhat gives them the mental ability to feel universally justified. It’s as if any strong criticism of Islam was a threat to their identity, integrity and intelligence, even when it’s not...
In a secular view, insulting religion doesn't necessarily equate to racial discrimination, and the fact that our western culture systematically ignores this, is the key point that prevents the western world from understanding why Muslims would be so offended. I have come to realize that a lot of Muslims try to say it, but it seems they do not understand what I am writing here, at least not enough to put it into the proper words that would make us understand. My goal is to help us both come to understand, through careful yet fortunate observations which I feel have led me to grasp some of this intricate psychology.
Let’s think for a second about this analogy: Let’s compare some white guy shouting racist comments towards blacks to your average non-Christian openly criticizing Christianity. Which is the worst, in the eyes of the average American, or European? Racism, isn’t it? Racism is undoubtedly the worst of those two things, at least according to our modern secular values. This is not to say that racism has been eradicated from the Western world, far from it. But even for the most racist among us in North America, it is extremely discouraged to make a racist statement publicly. It is not viewed as acceptable at all.
Have you ever seen a single Arabic person and expect him not to be a Muslim? It's as if their religion has so much grasp that it's nearly impossible for an Arabic person to not be a Muslim. But why doesn’t anyone seem to question this fact? Isn’t it fishy, considering that religion should be a choice? In fact, Muslims, in Muslim countries, are taught, from childhood, that the punishment for apostasy is death. The indoctrination is done to them so early in their life, and in such a strong and unquestionable way, that it achieves terrific results; it is almost irreversible. To them this is a good thing; to us, it’s just wrong.
In my opinion, the fact that Islam, as a religion, has been able to keep such a strong grasp, to this day, on the lives of the almost entirety of Arabic cultures is leading the Islamic world to a dangerous path. We all know that not only religion can be used to control masses, ii can also be a dangerous weapon. In America, some will argue, television is used for mass propaganda and it is difficult for the majority to avoid being brainwashed by many ideas that they would otherwise have never acquired as individuals. However, an average occidental still gets to make SOME choices about what morality should be; they chose whether they’ll be for or against abortion, whether they’ll be against slavery or not, whether they’ll vote for a black man or not.
It is possible to speak with a Muslim about what we dislike in Islam, without him getting angry. I have experienced it myself. It is difficult, however. Even as I was able to converse, I would feel the incredible pain that questioning one’s own identity can inflict on an indoctrinated individual. As we cannot tolerate being racially discriminated, they cannot tolerate negative criticism of Islam; they view is as their culture.
It may be sad to say, for most of us who wish for world peace, but secularism is not going to happen anytime soon in the Arab world. It could never be forced on Muslims. It is completely against their conception of what a religion should be and what place it should have in their life. Through what I have just explained, we can even understand the bottomless frustration of Muslims against non-Muslims when faced with debates like whether or not we should be banning the Burka in public spaces. The same issue arises: to us, it’s common sense and required for secularism, to them it’s a slap in the face, not as a Muslim but as an Arab. To us, it's freedom of speech; to them, it's against it. It is an insult to their culture, just as we would react to someone trying to deny our right to have a cultural background, just as we would react to a Muslim telling a White woman that wearing g-strings is degrading and wrong.
How can we possibly achieve a secular society, with Muslims living in it, if we do not agree on whether it’s okay to force someone to act secularly? Aren’t we stuck with the problem of having many kids arguing about who gets to play with the ball, while one of the kids sits on the ball, arguing that it should not be played with in the first place? How flexible can secularism be, without ending up betraying itself?
Can we find a temporary solution? I would like your opinion.