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By Trebold 2010-05-01 20:03:22
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Ragnarok.Virusheartt said:
it's not "running away" lol , it's just all ppl here are annoying and I dont have all day to keep relpying to them and they keep insulting my religon with screen shot, photo's or what ever

you have your own believes and I do , SO why everyone sticking thier noses in other ppl stuff?

my religon has been insulted in this forum and ppl were making fun of it and I knew that from the start so all what I was trying to do is closing it

I'm not running away I'm just being annoyed to talk with you guys and none of you had really good thing to say

about hijab and swiwmming dress or w/e u guys called it
isnt it better then wearing a bikini on the beach and you mom or sister get hit on by some guy who's trying to "sleep" with her?

want me to post porn , nude stuff from your country? and you're happy with that ? you never get jealuos ? or you dont care if ur sister have a boyfriend that is going to sleep with her tonight and at the end get's bregnant ( I know I missedspell it) and her boyfriend "run away"

I can talk alot about ur country and dont say it's "country" cus those are ppl and there is a % from them have religon .

you guys never talkd about that? you guys having fun of having sex with any girl that you just made relationship with her?

Guys: Fix urself then fix other's.

End.

Actually, we don't treat women like animals on the street. They have a brain to make a decision if BOTH parties want to have sex. You make it sound like as soon as we go on a date, we force them into having sex with us.
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By semimmortal 2010-05-01 20:04:12
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With regard to the title of the thread...it isn't even grammatically correct. One cannot "angry" a religion, since a religion is not an entity with emotions.

As for the topic...have you ever tried criticizing Christianity in front of a Christian? Talk about "angrying" them, LOL...hell, I've tried just asking simple questions about Christianity, and was immediately accused of being hostile. Questions and critical comments are a big no-no in most religions, not just Islam.
Well, Islam is the main highlight regarding the recent "attacks". Otherwise, I'm really sure there are other people being assaulted using other religions as their excuse.

Not saying religion is the root of evil... or is it? Dun dun duuuun.


Anyways, this is all started when someone takes the context from a certain sentence in a certain page out of context.
Sorry for sounding like a broken recorder, but many can't seem to understand this simple point ><
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By Trebold 2010-05-01 20:04:59
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semimmortal said:
Trebold said:
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Yes, because Judaism is idol worship.
Well, if you read the history well, they were also attacked by other religions. I've specifically started with idolators since it was what gave birth to Islam and their progress over other religions in that time/area.

Islam started out small. The book was merely to guide them to adapting to their harsh environment. If it was to just say, "Sit there and turn the other cheek", they're gonna get raped by other religions.

Yeah, therefore you must stomp out the other religions, to prove that your religion is #1. Would hate to "do the right thing" as it would lead them to get raped by other religions.
Well, if you've studied further, it shows that they were really getting raped before that page was made and allowed them to retaliate.

Again, this shows that why criticism in the modern age sucks. Used to be intelligent a long time ago... I miss those times...

tl;dr of his post: *Insert do your research meme picture here*
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2010-05-01 20:05:00
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Trebold, he's doing what's called self projecting.. Google/Wiki it.
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Actually, we don't treat women like animals on the street. They have a brain to make a decision if BOTH parties want to have sex. You make it sound like as soon as we go on a date, we force them into having sex with us.

This post I mean (quoting isn't working for me right now)
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-05-01 20:05:24
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Religion only seems to have become evil once farming started. Before that it was pretty chill.

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By Phoenix.Ingraham 2010-05-01 20:06:33
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Phoenix.Darki said:
semimmortal said:
Phoenix.Darki said:
I got in Philosophy class an A ~.~ most of the things discussed here are pure retardness anyways. Might aswell fight retardness with more retardness....
Phoenix.Darki said:
and btw, why do you have to be so hostile about it? I'm completly calm trying to give out a point. I never attacked you.
:/


why do you even take that as a personal attack to you? I was trying to point out people don't understand most of the things they're saying, so they're debating over something that isn't even true. Comming from someone that actually went up to university and paid 500USD for a class to hear all this *** from a professional, and come to a forum and hear people say things that are nonsence.

Pretending you went to university is just begging for it.
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By semimmortal 2010-05-01 20:08:51
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Trebold said:
tl;dr of his post: *Insert do your research meme picture here*

If that was tl;dr, I feel so bad for you... want a cookie?
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By Trebold 2010-05-01 20:09:08
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semimmortal said:
Trebold said:
semimmortal said:
Trebold said:
Yes, because Judaism is idol worship.
Well, if you read the history well, they were also attacked by other religions. I've specifically started with idolators since it was what gave birth to Islam and their progress over other religions in that time/area.

Islam started out small. The book was merely to guide them to adapting to their harsh environment. If it was to just say, "Sit there and turn the other cheek", they're gonna get raped by other religions.

Yeah, therefore you must stomp out the other religions, to prove that your religion is #1. Would hate to "do the right thing" as it would lead them to get raped by other religions.
Well, if you've studied further, it shows that they were really getting raped before that page was made and allowed them to retaliate.

Again, this shows that why criticism in the modern age sucks. Used to be intelligent a long time ago... I miss those times...

And yes, things were much more intelligent when things like criticism didn't exist. When we didn't have books like 1984, Fahrenheit 911, and Animal Farm to point out the likely corruption of men in power. ie. Stalin, Hitler, and a certain M-word that escapes me at this moment.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-01 20:10:13
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Trebold said:
semimmortal said:
Trebold said:
semimmortal said:
Trebold said:
Yes, because Judaism is idol worship.
Well, if you read the history well, they were also attacked by other religions. I've specifically started with idolators since it was what gave birth to Islam and their progress over other religions in that time/area.

Islam started out small. The book was merely to guide them to adapting to their harsh environment. If it was to just say, "Sit there and turn the other cheek", they're gonna get raped by other religions.

Yeah, therefore you must stomp out the other religions, to prove that your religion is #1. Would hate to "do the right thing" as it would lead them to get raped by other religions.
Well, if you've studied further, it shows that they were really getting raped before that page was made and allowed them to retaliate.

Again, this shows that why criticism in the modern age sucks. Used to be intelligent a long time ago... I miss those times...

And yes, things were much more intelligent when things like criticism didn't exist. When we didn't have books like 1984, Fahrenheit 911, and Animal Farm to point out the likely corruption of men in power. ie. Stalin, Hitler, and a certain M-word that escapes me at this moment.

*** MARIO
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By Trebold 2010-05-01 20:11:26
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Valefor.Slipispsycho said:
Trebold, he's doing what's called self projecting.. Google/Wiki it.
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Actually, we don't treat women like animals on the street. They have a brain to make a decision if BOTH parties want to have sex. You make it sound like as soon as we go on a date, we force them into having sex with us.

This post I mean (quoting isn't working for me right now)

lmfao, pure gold :P
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-05-01 20:11:48
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Phoenix.Ingraham said:
Phoenix.Darki said:
semimmortal said:
Phoenix.Darki said:
I got in Philosophy class an A ~.~ most of the things discussed here are pure retardness anyways. Might aswell fight retardness with more retardness....
Phoenix.Darki said:
and btw, why do you have to be so hostile about it? I'm completly calm trying to give out a point. I never attacked you.
:/


why do you even take that as a personal attack to you? I was trying to point out people don't understand most of the things they're saying, so they're debating over something that isn't even true. Comming from someone that actually went up to university and paid 500USD for a class to hear all this *** from a professional, and come to a forum and hear people say things that are nonsence.

Pretending you went to university is just begging for it.

That's fine, the fact that you sit on your *** everyday doing nothing but this and not getting your *** to a good college to learn and THINKING other people don't have the willpower to do it, says alot about you.

I don't pretend and I never said I knew everything, but I know enough to clearly see right through this argument.

And yes I went to university... but you know what, you can say me otherwise, I went, I'm finishing my title, your not. End of story.

I wasn't talking about the entire religion, but Philosophy starts with eastern culture, culture and religion are both mixed, like I mentioned, you need to know in what situation the philosophers were standing in to understand why they thought those things. Religion was a big deal to them aswell, they also questioned and defended god to the death, both parties with good arguments. So if all this has been done on the past, why keep repeating it? Infact, they were more professional at it, and *** they lived in a stone age basicly, and didn't treat each other like animals.

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By semimmortal 2010-05-01 20:13:17
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Trebold said:
semimmortal said:
Trebold said:
semimmortal said:
Trebold said:
Yes, because Judaism is idol worship.
Well, if you read the history well, they were also attacked by other religions. I've specifically started with idolators since it was what gave birth to Islam and their progress over other religions in that time/area.

Islam started out small. The book was merely to guide them to adapting to their harsh environment. If it was to just say, "Sit there and turn the other cheek", they're gonna get raped by other religions.

Yeah, therefore you must stomp out the other religions, to prove that your religion is #1. Would hate to "do the right thing" as it would lead them to get raped by other religions.
Well, if you've studied further, it shows that they were really getting raped before that page was made and allowed them to retaliate.

Again, this shows that why criticism in the modern age sucks. Used to be intelligent a long time ago... I miss those times...

And yes, things were much more intelligent when things like criticism didn't exist. When we didn't have books like 1984, Fahrenheit 911, and Animal Farm to point out the likely corruption of men in power. ie. Stalin, Hitler, and a certain M-word that escapes me at this moment.
Yes, because I clearly said criticism is not gooooodie and is baaaaad~

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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-05-01 20:14:58
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Phoenix.Darki said:
Phoenix.Ingraham said:
Phoenix.Darki said:
semimmortal said:
Phoenix.Darki said:
I got in Philosophy class an A ~.~ most of the things discussed here are pure retardness anyways. Might aswell fight retardness with more retardness....
Phoenix.Darki said:
and btw, why do you have to be so hostile about it? I'm completly calm trying to give out a point. I never attacked you.
:/


why do you even take that as a personal attack to you? I was trying to point out people don't understand most of the things they're saying, so they're debating over something that isn't even true. Comming from someone that actually went up to university and paid 500USD for a class to hear all this *** from a professional, and come to a forum and hear people say things that are nonsence.

Pretending you went to university is just begging for it.

That's fine, the fact that you sit on your *** everyday doing nothing but this and not getting your *** to a good college to learn and THINKING other people don't have the willpower to do it, says alot about you.

I don't pretend and I never said I knew everything, but I know enough to clearly see right through this argument.

And yes I went to university... but you know what, you can say me otherwise, I went, I'm finishing my title, your not. End of story.

I wasn't talking about the entire religion, but Philosophy starts with eastern culture, culture and religion are both mixed, like I mentioned, you need to know in what situation the philosophers were standing in to understand why they thought those things. Religion was a big deal to them aswell, they also questioned and defended god to the death, both parties with good arguments. So if all this has been done on the past, why keep repeating it? Infact, they were more professional at it, and *** they lived in a stone age basicly, and didn't treat each other like animals.


Though I have to fix something, they didn't treat each other like animals, but in that time they still got in trouble for saying somethings and some of them ran risks of being put to death sometimes for what they said, so they really had to be careful.

Philosophy back then was like a type of art... it was really for people who could study and afford it, for high class people I would say, not anyone could go around saying their thoughts... well I see why, because if they did they would be a mess like this forums portrays.
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By Trebold 2010-05-01 20:16:25
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Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
Religion only seems to have become evil once farming started. Before that it was pretty chill.

Agree completely. Have you ever read any of Daniel Quinn's works? Like Ishmael, or The Story of B?

For those who haven't read, it basically takes the Genesis creation story, and moves it away from the literal translation. "The Tree of Knowledge of Life and Death" was really the knowledge of agriculture. (or so in his book) Without the knowledge of agriculture, it would still be an animal kingdom. And while most think this is %100 bad thing, the book portrays it as almost a positive world.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-05-01 20:17:50
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Trebold said:
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
Religion only seems to have become evil once farming started. Before that it was pretty chill.

Agree completely. Have you ever read any of Daniel Quinn's works? Like Ishmael, or The Story of B?

For those who haven't read, it basically takes the Genesis creation story, and moves it away from the literal translation. "The Tree of Knowledge of Life and Death" was really the knowledge of agriculture. (or so in his book) Without the knowledge of agriculture, it would still be an animal kingdom. And while most think this is 0 bad thing, the book portrays it as almost a positive world.

What the hell, agriculture started as soon as the Ice Age was over, when the fields werent covered in snow. That dates back as old as the time when the Stone Hedge was created. For whichever reason it was created though.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-01 20:18:34
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Phoenix.Darki said:
Trebold said:
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
Religion only seems to have become evil once farming started. Before that it was pretty chill.

Agree completely. Have you ever read any of Daniel Quinn's works? Like Ishmael, or The Story of B?

For those who haven't read, it basically takes the Genesis creation story, and moves it away from the literal translation. "The Tree of Knowledge of Life and Death" was really the knowledge of agriculture. (or so in his book) Without the knowledge of agriculture, it would still be an animal kingdom. And while most think this is 0 bad thing, the book portrays it as almost a positive world.

What the hell, agriculture started as soon as the Ice Age was over, when the fields werent covered in snow. That dates back as old as the time when the Stone Hedge was created. For whichever reason it was created though.

*** ALIENS
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-05-01 20:19:21
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
Phoenix.Darki said:
Trebold said:
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
Religion only seems to have become evil once farming started. Before that it was pretty chill.

Agree completely. Have you ever read any of Daniel Quinn's works? Like Ishmael, or The Story of B?

For those who haven't read, it basically takes the Genesis creation story, and moves it away from the literal translation. "The Tree of Knowledge of Life and Death" was really the knowledge of agriculture. (or so in his book) Without the knowledge of agriculture, it would still be an animal kingdom. And while most think this is 0 bad thing, the book portrays it as almost a positive world.

What the hell, agriculture started as soon as the Ice Age was over, when the fields werent covered in snow. That dates back as old as the time when the Stone Hedge was created. For whichever reason it was created though.

*** ALIENS

You know I said that in class and the prof almost smacked me.... lol
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-01 20:20:13
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Clearly he'd never watched Stargate SG-1.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-05-01 20:22:13
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
Clearly he'd never watched Stargate SG-1.

lol the profesor was a woman and kind of old fashioned, she came from spain too, different culture i guess, so different tv...
COZ TV IS CULTURE TOO!!!
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-01 20:24:18
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Phoenix.Darki said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Clearly he'd never watched Stargate SG-1.

lol the profesor was a woman and kind of old fashioned, she came from spain too, different culture i guess, so different tv...
COZ TV IS CULTURE TOO!!!

Tsk, I'd be disappointed, all the cool kids know that merlin (who was an ancient) created a secret lab under stone henge with loads of traps in it.

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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-05-01 20:27:03
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Phoenix.Darki said:
Trebold said:
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
Religion only seems to have become evil once farming started. Before that it was pretty chill.

Agree completely. Have you ever read any of Daniel Quinn's works? Like Ishmael, or The Story of B?

For those who haven't read, it basically takes the Genesis creation story, and moves it away from the literal translation. "The Tree of Knowledge of Life and Death" was really the knowledge of agriculture. (or so in his book) Without the knowledge of agriculture, it would still be an animal kingdom. And while most think this is 0 bad thing, the book portrays it as almost a positive world.

What the hell, agriculture started as soon as the Ice Age was over, when the fields werent covered in snow. That dates back as old as the time when the Stone Hedge was created. For whichever reason it was created though.
There's very little reasonable evidence that suggests agriculture has been around for more than a simple 12,000 years or so, as I recall it was.

Guess how long modern religions have been around..
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-05-01 20:27:32
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Actually when she said the stone hedge was created and had unkknown reasons too at first I thought it was a massive grave like the other piles of rock found together, but then she said it wasnt...so uh I thouhgt aliens landed their ships there or something, i kind of told her that and she ate me lol

But merlin and his lab sounds more reasonable than my alien theory! I'll go by that. lol
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-01 20:30:03
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Ok my brain just fangasmed over stargate, going to watch seasons 1 through 10, see you in a week or so.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-05-01 20:31:07
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Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
Phoenix.Darki said:
Trebold said:
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
Religion only seems to have become evil once farming started. Before that it was pretty chill.

Agree completely. Have you ever read any of Daniel Quinn's works? Like Ishmael, or The Story of B?

For those who haven't read, it basically takes the Genesis creation story, and moves it away from the literal translation. "The Tree of Knowledge of Life and Death" was really the knowledge of agriculture. (or so in his book) Without the knowledge of agriculture, it would still be an animal kingdom. And while most think this is 0 bad thing, the book portrays it as almost a positive world.

What the hell, agriculture started as soon as the Ice Age was over, when the fields werent covered in snow. That dates back as old as the time when the Stone Hedge was created. For whichever reason it was created though.
There's very little reasonable evidence that suggests agriculture has been around for more than a simple 12,000 years or so, as I recall it was.

Guess how long modern religions have been around..


Egyptians had agriculture, thats before the big blow out on religions. and they were before quite alot of religions out there...they even found pot on one of theyre trademarketing ships! tsktsk lol not that they planted it, dont go saying 'DARKI SAID EGYPTIANS PLANTED POT' they couldnt have, they probably trade marketed it.
and yes theres alot of evidence there was agriculture back after the ice age, look at the altamira paintings the oldest human's made. if thats how you spell it in english, Hard to translate what I learned in uni from spanish to english.
and how couldnt there be agriculture after the ice age...nature took its way of doing things and made plants that are consumable happen, in the right mind of the man it was to farm them, weather it was unintentional or not, dont understimate the mind of a stone age man! they were smart monkeys!

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By Trebold 2010-05-01 20:35:12
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Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
Phoenix.Darki said:
Trebold said:
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
Religion only seems to have become evil once farming started. Before that it was pretty chill.

Agree completely. Have you ever read any of Daniel Quinn's works? Like Ishmael, or The Story of B?

For those who haven't read, it basically takes the Genesis creation story, and moves it away from the literal translation. "The Tree of Knowledge of Life and Death" was really the knowledge of agriculture. (or so in his book) Without the knowledge of agriculture, it would still be an animal kingdom. And while most think this is 0 bad thing, the book portrays it as almost a positive world.

What the hell, agriculture started as soon as the Ice Age was over, when the fields werent covered in snow. That dates back as old as the time when the Stone Hedge was created. For whichever reason it was created though.
There's very little reasonable evidence that suggests agriculture has been around for more than a simple 12,000 years or so, as I recall it was.

Guess how long modern religions have been around..

No, no. I know what you mean. I'm saying that Daniel Quinn assumes that the Bible was retelling of the old stories passed on from generation to generation. Which, would make sense, since it's a history book.

'Ishmael' by Daniel Quinn also talks about how the characters in the creation story, Cain and Abel, were really 2 tribes of people. If you remember from the stories, Cain was a farmer and Abel was a herder. Cain(the agricultural society) killed Abel(the hunter-gathering society), and was banished to live the rest of his days in shame for doing so. I think that Genesis story is just about the struggle between the agricultural humans and hunter-gatherers.

Also, explains why the Bible says things like: "You are no longer a part of animals and must work your days toiling in the fields."

btw, I think all the God parts of the Bible are make-believe, in the same way they are today. But that doesn't mean the Bible isn't a good history book.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-05-01 20:36:59
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Trebold said:
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
Phoenix.Darki said:
Trebold said:
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
Religion only seems to have become evil once farming started. Before that it was pretty chill.

Agree completely. Have you ever read any of Daniel Quinn's works? Like Ishmael, or The Story of B?

For those who haven't read, it basically takes the Genesis creation story, and moves it away from the literal translation. "The Tree of Knowledge of Life and Death" was really the knowledge of agriculture. (or so in his book) Without the knowledge of agriculture, it would still be an animal kingdom. And while most think this is 0 bad thing, the book portrays it as almost a positive world.

What the hell, agriculture started as soon as the Ice Age was over, when the fields werent covered in snow. That dates back as old as the time when the Stone Hedge was created. For whichever reason it was created though.
There's very little reasonable evidence that suggests agriculture has been around for more than a simple 12,000 years or so, as I recall it was.

Guess how long modern religions have been around..

No, no. I know what you mean. I'm saying that Daniel Quinn assumes that the Bible was retelling of the old stories passed on from generation to generation. Which, would make sense, since it's a history book.

'Ishmael' by Daniel Quinn also talks about how the characters in the creation story, Cain and Abel, were really 2 tribes of people. If you remember from the stories, Cain was a farmer and Abel was a herder. Cain(the agricultural society) killed Abel(the hunter-gathering society), and was banished to live the rest of his days in shame for doing so. I think that Genesis story is just about the struggle between the agricultural humans and hunter-gatherers.

Also, explains why the Bible says things like: "You are no longer a part of animals and must work your days toiling in the fields."

btw, I think all the God parts of the Bible are make-believe, in the same way they are today. But that doesn't mean the Bible isn't a good history book.

oh that's true now I get where you are going, it's really an example of man's struggle yes and also envy.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-05-01 20:38:01
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By agriculture I mean I a man-made conscious effort to create a settled society with farming as the source of food.

That's a very, very new idea.

Our "branch" has been around for 7million years. In the past 10,000 or so, we've finally actually done ***.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-05-01 20:41:45
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Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
By agriculture I mean I a man-made conscious effort to create a settled society with farming as the source of food.

That's a very, very new idea.

Our "branch" has been around for 7million years. In the past 10,000 or so, we've finally actually done ***.
Lol more than 10,000 years we've been marking our history. Just everyday we loose a little more evidence... ^^
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-05-01 20:43:06
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Phoenix.Darki said:
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
By agriculture I mean I a man-made conscious effort to create a settled society with farming as the source of food.

That's a very, very new idea.

Our "branch" has been around for 7million years. In the past 10,000 or so, we've finally actually done ***.
Lol more than 10,000 years we've been marking our history. Just everyday we loose a little more evidence... ^^
Not really.

Seriously. We've been doing very little.

Progress was entirely slow because it took us so long to develop our bodies up to a point where we could speak, and therefore have thought, and therefore start society.
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By Trebold 2010-05-01 20:45:15
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Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
By agriculture I mean I a man-made conscious effort to create a settled society with farming as the source of food.

That's a very, very new idea.

Our "branch" has been around for 7million years. In the past 10,000 or so, we've finally actually done ***.

Yeah, agriculture is conducive to settlement. It also gives people a LOT of time. Whereas hunter-gatherer societies would constantly be on the move for food, they would have much less time to develop, say, a language. But a people who can create their own food without having to move from place to place, can focus on other things, like mate attraction. So we start finding evidence of piercings and jewelry. Also, we start seeing laws be made so that humans don't rape their women, or steal all the food, or etc. It's pretty much agreed upon by any anthropologist you ever meet.
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