Q's About Sortie And Ody From A Returning Player

Hey all, haven't really been active for quite a few years. I see a decent amount of pug yells for ody segs and sortie farm but I don't feel comfortable joining those runs as I don't really know anything about how these parties are supposed to function or what I'm supposed to do in there.

So far been running around solo in sortie to learn A-D objectives and get keyitems + killed random mobs in ody C.

Looking for videos, guides or any sort of advice really.

Thanks

Basically for Odyssey C runs, the point is to kill as many families as possible but also claim the end reward.

You get 7k gil per monster killed and 20+ Moogle Segments as well. The total Moogle Segments is actually what's most important, but plenty of people still care about the gil, too.

To join those groups you'll want to gear out a WAR, BRD, COR, SCH, PLD, RUN, or SAM. The "ideal" group comp is a PLD, WARx2, BRD, COR, and SCH. This is because the monsters in Sheol C have unusual physical damage type resistances. For example: Crabs only take 75% slashing damage. So you want a strong job that has multiple damage types, and WAR fits that bill easiest (other DD jobs are perfectly viable provided they have 2 weapon damage types. The cadence of a Sheol C run goes something like:

Enter, run straight down the stairs, buff while monster family is pulled (unless it's a bad monster type or an Agon Halo, when wait for full buffs). Either way, then run back upstairs and start progressing towards the end, killing monster families as you go. You get a segment bonus for eliminating entire families, each family pack being 10 of the same monster.

A good run will net you about 1 million gil and around 5~7k segments. A decent run is 700~800k gil and 4k segs. An absurdly good run, imo, is anything over 1.2mil gil and 8k segs. The maximum possible for kill every single monster and doing some UNM spawned NMs inside is something along the lines of 1.54million gil and 13k segments. I have seen this amount, once.

TL;DR - Sheol C parties are essentially Master Level Merit burn style parties that push through the event killing as much as they can within the 30 minute time limit. You can get into them most easily as a healer or support job, as those have the least demand on gear/MLs to be effective.

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Sortie groups are another beast entirely. Sortie is a 1 hour event that's really not like any other event in the game, if we're completely honest. You gain the Gallimaufry currency in Sortie, and the most effective way to earn it is to kill bosses/target objectives. The basement bosses give 10000 Galli when killed, but you must kill their ground floor version that gives 2000 Galli in order to enter the basement boss fights. This means in an 8 boss Sortie run that you are doing the objectives to access and kill the ground floor bosses, and then the basement bosses. This means an 8 boss run's minimum galli made is 48000 (actually more than this due to objectives involving killing regular monsters that give small amounts of galli when killed. The actual total of an 8 boss run is over 50k).

9 Boss runs involve doing Aminon, who gives 30000 Galli by himself, but is one of the hardest bosses the game currently has to offer, requiring a very specific TP denial strat in order to kill.

Because the nature of Sortie is a race against the clock that doesn't end until the clock has run out, its meta composition always involves jobs that enhance movement speed. It also means you need to have ML20+ and be fully geared for whatever job you bring, again with the support jobs requiring less to be effective for a group. Basically, unless your group just doesn't give a ***(understandable given this is a daily task) about the Galli that could be made in the final few minutes of a run, after killing 8/9 boss, there's always something more to do til the clock runs out in order to earn more Galli. Unlike other events like Dyna-D, Omen, and the like that have clear endpoints, Sortie has no real end, as it's not currently possible to kill every single monster that you could potentially spawn and fight inside of Sortie.

And then, even if you had some sort of mega mass pulling god and did manage to literally kill every single boss and regular mob in Sortie, you can rematerialize every single monster inside of Sortie, so there is technically a hard cap to maximum gain from Sortie, but as it stands, no one can actually attain it, and are soft capped at 9 boss runs and whatever you can get done after (some Naakual basement sets or whatever).

TL;DR - Sortie is a serious endgame event where there are a couple of ways to skin it, and you'll want to be fully geared/confident in your abilities job knowledge before you get into a serious group OR find/make a group that'll let you learn as you advance in getting better at it etc. Gallimaufry is for upgrading Empyrean Armor +3 and also for making Prime Weapons.

Odyssey and Sortie are two very different events. Which jobs do you go for each? Let us know and we can provide some feedback from there.

Different sortie statics may have their own team google doc floating around, but until that point, I think this sortie guide is decent for getting started: https://www.ffxiah.com/node/469

Also, gotta plug Velner because he streams Sortie/FFXI and is just a fun watch:

Velner: Sortie Catch up Guide

Velner: Sortie Melee Method

Ody C:
- Used to Farm Segments (used to enter boss fights).
- Most popular layouts:
1. Melee Burn (3x DD, Whm or Sch, Brd, Cor)
2. Tank Method (2x DD, Run or Paladin, Whm or Sch, Brd, Cor)
- VERY Pug friendly --- I've almost exclusively PUGed this.
- Somewhat Mid-Game. DD need to have ws set and -dt gear. Brd needs to sleep mobs. Easiest entry is for healer or Cor (roll *** while you gear your WS / DD sets).


Ody NMs:
- CLEARing unlocks various gear access. Ex:
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Category:Odyssey#Atonement_1

- The "V0" (gear unlock) fights are fairly easy. Augmenting runs (clears for augmenting unlock) can be hard. RP farm (farming the points, but unable to spend unless you got the augmenting run clear) are really easy.

PERSONALLY. I love doing Ody NMs and Ody C. Its been my favorite content in the game for years.

Tyvm for the replies

My jobs are Run, Cor, Sam, Blu, Sch, Rdm, Nin, Rng. All very well geared but ofc no ody gear augs. I did actually clear all v0 with a friend a few years ago before we quit. Back then we got segments by rounding up mobs to cast cruel joke on, obv nothing I expect to see in a pug.

Don't think I would want to go on RUN since tanks are usually expected to do pulls or know the strat well in general.

Btw, can I join a random v25 boss run and get the clear even though I only have have v5 access or how does that work?

Sortie pugs definitely sound like a bit of a challenge to get into but I'll check out those links later, thanks

Honestly, this attitude is rare and incredibly admirable. Admitting you are unfamiliar with something and then improving your mastery through other roles until you acquire the skill set will get you far (not just in XI, but life overall). If I still had a sub (and you were on Bahamut), I would have more than invited you to join PUGs with me.


You can get sucked into any V-tier fight as a party member (assuming you have the segments). Any wins you get will skip the procession climb. But winning itself...

I wouldn't recommend doing V25 off the bat as someone fresh coming back.

I ran with a static on Odin that was one of the first groups to clear V15s on our server. We were sharing strats back on the old pre-nuked ffxiah ody thread. When I came back after 2 years, my buddy and I struggled to clear V20 Arebati --- finding out later that the fault lay in my lack of gear. The Bahamutians were incredibly kind and aided me while I gathered the necessary gear to win. But it was still my fault that we took so long to win. Albeit playing Geo and smacking V20 Ngai with my ergon was hilarious.

My only point... V20 is a bit out of my reach as is and I am familiar with Ody's systems. I recommend working up the ladder a bit and getting v15/v20 clears to figure out the difficulty / strats before jumping into v25s. :)

EDIT: I found the moved location of the ffxiah Ody thread. You can kinda use this as an older reference for the fights (pre-sortie I think).
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/59053

Someone else that has v20 clears can take you in.

However, the progression is v0/1->v5/v10->v15->v20->v25, with augment tiers starting from v15.

Trying to clear v25 with v15 augments unlocked (from a v5 clear) means you're missing those augments for the clear.

Depends on the job how important this will be. Most jobs will need v20 augments on relevant gear to clear v25.

I would not recommend joining a random v25 clear with only v5 cleared, no augments, and no experience in v15 or v20 clears.

Thank you for the kind words. Actually used to be on Bahamut like 10 years ago or something like that. Definitely lots of good people over there


This is confusing me a bit, you are saying I would get the clear and skip the ladder straight to the top, but actually winning the fight would be unlikely as I'm a complete anchor to the pt, yes?

Yes, that's it. You can skip all the steps as long as someone take you in.

For Atonement 1 and 2 this might be OK. For Atonement 3, it's much more difficult to simply carry (well not 100% carry, but you get what I mean) someone.

For Bumba (Atonement 4) it's... well probably easier than most Atonement 3 fights, except on V25. Mostly because you can just zerg it.

At this point you can 100% carry someone through all the A3 v15s and bumba v15. You’ll hit trouble with some of the v20s for sure though.

Yes.

I think there’s also a perception that you need to be max geared and ML30+ with 10 REMAs that drive a lot of players into being hesitant to try PUGs because they think they’re under skilled or geared. Specifically, we’ve all seen of PUGs requiring your BRD to have 4 REMAs to join, or require your COR to be +8, or your GEO requiring Idris. So even taking a support job into Ody, those alone can make someone worried to join.

Ya I that’s a good point too. Breaking-into the content can be overwhelming.

I have found it easiest for healers and Cors. Sch, as an example, really just needs Musa and no REMA. While expensive, getting Regen and Cure Potency gear isn’t as difficult as say farming REMA for Drk. :p

Here's my Sortie guide. Happy hunting.

FFXI Sortie: A Beginner's Guide To Locating Gems

Exactly. I get that more veteran players I guess want to min-max endgame, but the general population should be aware that Idris/+8/4REMA BRD aren't required as a starting point. And ultimately making yourself an Idris/Rostem/4REMA BRD - or any REMA for your preferred job for that matter - should be a personal job goal rather then a requirement to play.

My DRK REMA farming was a lifestyle decision X_X. But otherwise~, yea... it's shocking easy to get a decently functional fast cast, regen and cure pot set thrown together if a healer is something people want to do. I just started RDM on my main and it has been honestly quick piecing up sets(with LS and forums help!).

And I also have a guide for groups who are still fairly new, but have been doing Sortie for a bit and want to give the tougher bosses a go with a safe mage setup.

FFXI Sortie: Mage Guide For Entry-Level Parties

I farmed the Empy on Dragoon for some reason. So I can relate lol.