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Infographics Pros & Cons of Pserver vs. Retail
Carbuncle.Nynja
Server: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 4,416
By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-01-29 11:43:08
You know they say that all servers are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Horizon and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go one on one with another server, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But retail a genetic freak and I'm not normal! So you got a 25%, AT BEST, at beat me. Then you add CatsEye to the mix, your chances of winning drastic go down. See the 3 way at Aery, you got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but I, I got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, because CatsEye KNOWS he can't beat me and he's not even gonna try!
So Horizon, you take your 33 1/3 chance, minus my 25% chance and you got an 8 1/3 chance of winning at Aery. But then you take my 75% chance of winning, if we was to go one on one, and then add 66 2/3 per cents, I got 141 2/3 chance of winning at Aery. See Hori, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you at Sacrifice.
By Asura.Rockooo 2025-01-29 11:44:15
i dont mean there will be nothing released/updated, I mean the games population/popularity is on a steady decline. That is not what "maintenance mode" is, and it is not like SE ever really marketed the game to begin with so its not really a change in behavior. People have always complained about the lack of fan fest or special events being primarily held out of reach in japan.
I mean real quick how did anyone even hear about this game releasing when you started playing? I saw it at a best buy and convinced my dad I needed it or I would die of boredom for the summer. I never saw a commercial about
i never said SE marketed or changed their behavior. they are just not interested in pushing ffxi, and the only direction a 20 year old game with a subscription can go as a result is down. i dont know how u can disagree with this statement. are you trying to argue that retail population is increasing over the last few years??
By Felgarr 2025-01-29 11:45:10
Alright, it's been a few pages of innocent banter and relatively constructive criticism, which is very unusual for this place. Please keep it up!
Also, $20 says OP is actually Spicyryan pretending to be a girl.
By RadialArcana 2025-01-29 11:47:45
Also, $20 says OP is actually Spicyryan pretending to be a girl.
its not
By tannifae 2025-01-29 11:48:09
Alright, it's been a few pages of innocent banter and relatively constructive criticism, which is very unusual for this place. Please keep it up!
Also, $20 says OP is actually Spicyryan pretending to be a girl.
Haha definitely not, but it's entertaining that people suspect that.
Asura.Mavira
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 16
By Asura.Mavira 2025-01-29 11:48:16
Alright, it's been a few pages of innocent banter and relatively constructive criticism, which is very unusual for this place. Please keep it up!
Also, $20 says OP is actually Spicyryan pretending to be a girl.
I mean I know her personally and she actively streams XI so you’d lose that bet lol
By Asura.Rockooo 2025-01-29 11:48:30
You know they say that all servers are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Horizon and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go one on one with another server, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But retail a genetic freak and I'm not normal! So you got a 25%, AT BEST, at beat me. Then you add CatsEye to the mix, your chances of winning drastic go down. See the 3 way at Aery, you got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but I, I got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, because CatsEye KNOWS he can't beat me and he's not even gonna try!
So Horizon, you take your 33 1/3 chance, minus my 25% chance and you got an 8 1/3 chance of winning at Aery. But then you take my 75% chance of winning, if we was to go one on one, and then add 66 2/3 per cents, I got 141 2/3 chance of winning at Aery. See Hori, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you at Sacrifice.
i legit thought i was having a stroke reading this and all i can say is
"No DRG for party, camp spot site with 30 dmg, but is it for 20 like 30 dmg when you no hit be it for dd, for 30 dmg instead? or half is 10 for 20 dmg?"
By tannifae 2025-01-29 11:50:24
Also, if I collect and submit all relevant receipts from other individuals along with my own to my lawyer and escalate the matter to the appropriate authorities or other regulatory bodies, would HorizonXI be able to lawfully and transparently prove its compliance with tax laws and other legal obligations? Would you guys be willing to disclose all relevant server records and financial documentation for an official investigation to confirm that there has been no wrongdoing or suspicious activity of any sort? Those of you who defend?
Edit: this is not a threat of any sort.
By tannifae 2025-01-29 11:52:46
does that mean I get $20 XD
Carbuncle.Nynja
Server: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 4,416
By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-01-29 11:54:16
You know they say that all servers are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Horizon and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go one on one with another server, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But retail a genetic freak and I'm not normal! So you got a 25%, AT BEST, at beat me. Then you add CatsEye to the mix, your chances of winning drastic go down. See the 3 way at Aery, you got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but I, I got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, because CatsEye KNOWS he can't beat me and he's not even gonna try!
So Horizon, you take your 33 1/3 chance, minus my 25% chance and you got an 8 1/3 chance of winning at Aery. But then you take my 75% chance of winning, if we was to go one on one, and then add 66 2/3 per cents, I got 141 2/3 chance of winning at Aery. See Hori, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you at Sacrifice.
i legit thought i was having a stroke reading this and all i can say is
"No DRG for party, camp spot site with 30 dmg, but is it for 20 like 30 dmg when you no hit be it for dd, for 30 dmg instead? or half is 10 for 20 dmg?"
Uncultured swine
By Homsar 2025-01-29 11:56:54
today i walk in tringi cnayon and i want kill cameles for mad gill and i see a camle EATING ANOTHER ONE!!?!??!
why am monster eat one other monster ??!?!?! i am 9 level ^_^ so i go help the good camel to win and i cannot why also when i want make gill this cannot be done ???!?!?!
By Viciouss 2025-01-29 12:01:52
Wait, now Horizon is breaking tax laws? How so?
By Homsar 2025-01-29 12:04:26
Wait, now Horizon is breaking tax laws? How so?
People be forgetting to declare their Leaping Boots on their taxes and now the ZRS(Zilart Revenue Service) is auditing them.
By Zehira 2025-01-29 12:13:22
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By tannifae 2025-01-29 12:47:09
![](https://i.imgur.com/UOZwM1H.jpeg)
(Leaping Lizzy)
By Zehira 2025-01-29 12:48:31
There's going to be more of a serious problem that could arise from that. And I have read several cases if people complain just enough with receipts and under great distress. FBI have had no problem jailing people and shutting down servers before, if it's not SE.
I have never heard of any FFXI private servers being shut down for that reason other than not enough players but I am not gonna hold my breath. Yes, it sucks that they got your personal information to blackmail you. I am not too sure how that's possible.
By RadialArcana 2025-01-29 13:14:11
The point is that it could close at any moment, if action was taken. It's not a legal operation, at all. Also if the guy running it was hit by a bus or went to jail, it would also close.
That's the way it is when you're playing something run from some dudes bedroom.
By Viciouss 2025-01-29 13:16:58
Everyone knows all it takes is a DMCA from SE to shut down all the private servers, however many there are. Everyone also knows SE is never going to bother. There is nothing individuals can do to shut them down.
By Zehira 2025-01-29 13:53:08
The point is that it could close at any moment, if action was taken. It's not a legal operation, at all.
You're not an American. First amendment exists for that reason. The OP wants to know if there are enough evidence that people have had the similar problem then action would be taken. Personally, I have no issue since I understood how the computer science things work. The first thing I learned about in class as a senior was the Internet.
SE is never going to bother.
Exactly.
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 166
By Asura.Sensarity 2025-01-29 13:56:41
Pros of private server: You get to play your favourite era of FFXI
Cons of private server: You have to listen to Draylo tell you why it's bad
Pros of retail: You get to play your favourite era of FFXI
Cons of retail: You have to listen to Kipling tell you why it's bad
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Bahamut.Academic
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 72
By Bahamut.Academic 2025-01-29 13:56:55
then there is borderline like abuse where there's more people are being harassed outside the game through social media or people's personal information leaked.
Imagine using social media.
/boomer out.
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By Setsuko 2025-01-29 13:58:11
Everyone knows all it takes is a DMCA from SE to shut down all the private servers, however many there are. Everyone also knows SE is never going to bother. There is nothing individuals can do to shut them down.
Stressing the importance of making sure people know about the morbidly obese predators on server staff who target women, or the GM who constantly lies and gaslights to make sure they're always the victim/everyone else is the problem, though. I dont think private servers are going anywhere, but anyone considering playing on one should research that server's background before installing anything. Realize that theyll have your info, and they can and will find you irl when they want to seek revenge.
By Viciouss 2025-01-29 14:13:46
Everyone knows all it takes is a DMCA from SE to shut down all the private servers, however many there are. Everyone also knows SE is never going to bother. There is nothing individuals can do to shut them down.
Stressing the importance of making sure people know about the morbidly obese predators on server staff who target women, or the GM who constantly lies and gaslights to make sure they're always the victim/everyone else is the problem, though. I dont think private servers are going anywhere, but anyone considering playing on one should research that server's background before installing anything. Realize that theyll have your info, and they can and will find you irl when they want to seek revenge.
Yeah, they will have your IP address, just like every website admin that you are active on. Everything else you share with them is voluntary. You don't have to share your gender, your name, nothing. You would think in 2025 people would know the dangers of the internet. I'm not defending Horizon's alleged bad behavior, but when you start talking about lawyering up, the first question the lawyer is gonna ask you is how much information about yourself did you volunteer. Case goes downhill from there.
Carbuncle.Nynja
Server: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 4,416
By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-01-29 14:21:56
A bit less convenient to use a VPN that routes through Argentina to South Africa to United Kingtom to its final destination to play a ping sensitive game (not hypersensitive, but feel free to digup all the posts about gaol and dyna being laggy before you say ping is irrelevant for ffxi) vs shitposting on ffxiah dot com
By tannifae 2025-01-29 14:31:37
While it's true that admins have access to your IP address, this does not justify unethical or illegal behavior. Some platforms log and retain this data indefinitely, sometimes without informing users.
The real issue isn’t just that the server can collect your IP, but how it uses that data. If Horizonxi is misusing user information, that's a problem regardless of whether you “voluntarily” provided other details.
Just because certain information is voluntarily shared does not absolve a platform from legal or ethical responsibility. Many companies have been sued or penalized for mishandling voluntarily provided data.
The idea that only voluntarily provided information matters in legal cases is misleading. If a server is storing, misusing, or leaking any user data (including logs, messages, or even metadata), it can still be held accountable.
A user’s awareness of internet risks does not excuse a platform’s potential misconduct. Just because people should be careful online doesn’t mean platforms can act irresponsibly with user data.
Blaming users for “not knowing better” is a form of victim blaming. Laws and ethical standards exist to ensure that platforms handle data responsibly, regardless of what users voluntarily provide.
The argument assumes that voluntarily providing some information weakens any legal case. However, this is overly simplistic. If a server is violating privacy laws, engaging in deceptive practices, or mishandling data, a legal case can still be valid.
The real question a lawyer would ask is not just what data was provided but how it was handled by Horizonxi. If there’s evidence of data misuse, lack of informed consent, or policy violations, the case remains strong.
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By Setsuko 2025-01-29 14:35:27
Everyone knows all it takes is a DMCA from SE to shut down all the private servers, however many there are. Everyone also knows SE is never going to bother. There is nothing individuals can do to shut them down.
Stressing the importance of making sure people know about the morbidly obese predators on server staff who target women, or the GM who constantly lies and gaslights to make sure they're always the victim/everyone else is the problem, though. I dont think private servers are going anywhere, but anyone considering playing on one should research that server's background before installing anything. Realize that theyll have your info, and they can and will find you irl when they want to seek revenge.
Yeah, they will have your IP address, just like every website admin that you are active on. Everything else you share with them is voluntary. You don't have to share your gender, your name, nothing. You would think in 2025 people would know the dangers of the internet. I'm not defending Horizon's alleged bad behavior, but when you start talking about lawyering up, the first question the lawyer is gonna ask you is how much information about yourself did you volunteer. Case goes downhill from there.
I DIDNT volunteer my private information, home address, phone number, etc to Horizon staff. I DID hire a lawyer to deal with it, continued to receive harassing texts for months afterwards. Don't think you realize all the ***that has happened involving horizon staff, or if you are, you aren't aware of how bad things really got behind the scenes. You are defending bad behavior when you say, "They have your IP and your gender so why are you surprised that they doxxed you and harassed you for a year?"
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By Kaffy 2025-01-29 14:46:27
Enough women have come forward stating problems with Horizon staff that there is almost zero chance at this point that it is fabricated. Whether or not legal action is possible or worth pursuing I have no idea, don't know any details and don't have any expertise in the field. However, I encourage all affected to come forward with their experiences if only to caution others. This is a bit bigger than just private vs. retail FFXI preferences.
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Ragnarok.Casey
Server: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
Posts: 178
By Ragnarok.Casey 2025-01-29 14:48:05
Zero actual proof has been posted, it's just screaming into clouds.
Carbuncle.Nynja
Server: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 4,416
By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-01-29 14:50:15
Im pretty sure there was lots of proof posted the last Horizon thread
By Kaffy 2025-01-29 14:51:34
Claims began before this subforum was ever created, and have continued since. You don't get testimony from different people over several years time accidentally.
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Hello my name is Tannifae! ^^ I used to play HorizonXI Endgame content and quit entirely moving on to Retail. I created some infographics based on my own experiences. I wish I had known all the risks when I first entered the private server scene.
Private Servers Pros & Cons
MY OWN REVIEW:
I initially joined a private server without much knowledge or experience. The "Free-to-Play" aspect drew me in, and I thought, "What could go wrong? It’s just a game!" It was all wonderful at first, but over time, I started noticing recurring issues: shady practices, questionable behavior, and toxic dynamics coming from different levels. I ignored these, thinking they wouldn’t affect me, but eventually, I experienced a rude awakening.
Beyond normal in-game toxicity, I encountered patterns of incredibly abusive nature outside the borders of the game itself. This deeply eroded my trust in the private server community, making me question whether I was safe there at all.
After two years, my preferences and priorities have shifted. For me, safety and security are now the most important aspects of gaming. This led me to transition to FFXI Retail, and I can confidently say it was the best decision I’ve made.
FFXI Retail Pros & Cons
Retail servers can be intimidating at first, but I’ve come to realize just how misinformed I was. FFXI is rich with content, offering incredible flexibility: solo or team-oriented play, casual or grind-heavy gameplay, short or long gaming sessions, it’s adaptable to any lifestyle.
I’ve also discovered I had only experienced ~25% of the game within the last two years, with a massive 75%~ of content still left to explore, which I’m excited to dive into for years to come.
Unlike private servers, Square Enix delivers trustworthy customer support, backed by professionally trained staff who undergo background checks and adhere to strict protocols. This professionalism ensures a safer and more welcoming environment. I have experienced that for the past few weeks and also previously from FFXIV.
Thank you to the retail players who welcomed me with open arms and encouraged me to join the community (like FFXIAH). You’ve made my transition effortless and enjoyable! Thank you guys for being patient with my growth and always treating me with the utmost respect even if I only played the private server previously. I think that says a lot about your character as a retail community.
For anyone on the fence or struggling with similar experiences, my advice is simple: prioritize your safety and enjoyment. Know your people. Know who is out there to hurt you or build you up.
Feel free to reach out if you need support or have questions!
Remember, we’re all here to grow and become better people for ourselves and others. Count your blessings, share kindness, and enjoy the journey.
Happy gaming! xx :)
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