Prime WS Information, Testing, Discussion

that doesn't tell us ***. for all we know that 55K could have been a TA or QA proc

Will need samples but it is the right idea for the test. Would help if tp returns were recorded

To add to this, was talking to him on his stream a bit and asking him about it. He said the actual Gsword WS was doing something like 60k-97k ON Triboulex. Not a top lizard boss like the Scythe, but on an actual basement boss. It looks sick. Maybe Scythe can also match that on the Trib, but the Gsword definitely can. That being said, the healing... I'm leaning to Scythe atm.

Didn't catch the tp return values, Maybe he saves his vods and can check when I'm sure he posts his info.

Entirely possible it was a DA, very unlikely but possible it was a QA. (don't think drk ws in any TA gear no? just DA from some nyame and QA if using niqmaddu).

As with everyone else posting their stage3 experiences its mostly just random uses throughout a normal run so hard to come by any controlled testing (not blaming them or anything).

Figured I would post it for possible hint at values rather than as concrete data.

my cor got a 90k savage on trib with soulvoice new songs at attack cap

Assume it was at 3k(obviously)? Gear/stats would be helpful. 90k seems to of gotten quite the boost from song.

90k would be huge yes. Like a 30-50% increase in dmg for an average cor savage

r25 nyame + empy hands +3 sailfi belt jse neck ishvara / moonshade pdl vr ring / sroda ring
mlvl 50
mithra
boost str no etudes I was surely attack capped with bolster frailty / fury armor break dia 3 chaos roll war warcry
I had 436 str 320 mnd 67% ws dmg gear 13% pdl
used naegling + demersal degan +1
This was at 3k tp and wasn't walled because it was first savage on him. Also I sub nin so I had pdl trait

The ws I was referencing was spinning slash, not the prime ws. So it can be used with aftermath down, but like said above without exact tp values cant tell if its all PDL as the cause of the difference or (likely) a multi hit proc in addition to any PDL boost.

So we didn't do proper testing tonight because we're focused on full clearing the zone. But here are some numbers from the bosses that are kind of crazy. These bosses all are 2 hour songs (Aita is 2x Minuet, 2x March, 1x Madrgal; others are 3x Minuet, 1x Madrigal, 1x Honor March) with Chaos/Sam roll. Aita has Dia III and Box Step and the others have Armor Break/Dia III/Box Step. We don't use GEO so no Fury/Frailty.

For reference, I never hit 70k+ with Torcleaver (66k is about the highest) and on Gartell I usually use Anguta where Cross Reaper tops out at around 55-60k (with occasional 70ks)

I know this isn't proper testing but my preliminary experience tells me these Weapons/Weaponskills absolutely clap.

Wouldn't it take around a 5.5pdif cap for a cor with his stats to hit a 90k savage blade? I probably greatly messed up my math but it seems like it would take a considerably amount.

Fairly likely that soulvoice is doubling the amount of PDL the song gives but would still have to be giving around .9-1.0 PDL just at base +6 song.

I'm sure someone actually capable of doing math can correct this of course.

Suppose the more likely is it was a 1-2? additional hits which would bring it down to requiring around 5.0 pdif? which would make the song maybe closer to .7ish PDL being doubled by soulvoice?

It wasn't like all my savages / black halos ect instantly became 90ks but I did see a considerable increase in averages maybe 15% more?

Anyone planning or got the gaxe by chance?

f**king hell I loved my apocalypse but now I see a new toy. looks like it does higher damage then catastrophy and does light instead of darkness....

Square-Enix talked about Aria of Passion in their Freshly Picked.

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/51608/dev-tracker-discussion/380/#3664112

I'll have one on my alt in about 4 days.

Is it possible they meant .1 to .5 and not 0.01 to .05? .05 seems incredibly low for a spell slot, let alone one that takes a good bit of time to gain access to. Seems like it would be impossible for it to boost a savage to 90k if it gave that little.

Stage3 with neck is +5 song to boost it further I guess.

You confuse PDL trait with PDL on gear (and this song)

PDL trait is +0.1 pdif cap for each tier, but PDL on gear is simply a % multiplier to pdif cap.

So stage 3 flute with +2 songs and +3 skill from whistle is probably +10%PDL (5%base and +1% per each +1song) and SoulVoiced it's probably +20%.

COR/NIN has 3.35pdif cap on Sword. So song alone would take you to 4.02 No idea if he was using other pdl gear available to cor that fits Savage set, like Sroda Ring and Ephramad ring and Ikenga body, but using all of that would push pdif cap to 4.69

The weapons clap in sortie we can't forget to say that while I'm making the scythe and called this out on drk forum real world testing still needed. Numbers look nice for sure but it could just be because we're made for that zone as se mobs will react differently to these said weapons.

Thanks for correcting, he listed his gear above.

Ok so with those stats and double TA proc (rare but can happen), song would need to be 40%PDL, which means 20% without SV, which means each +1 all songs would need to add +3%PDL.

EDIT: I overestimated Triboulex VIT. It might actually be low enough to cap fSTR with 436STR on COR with Naegling. Meaning with double TA proc at 30% PDL on song it would be exactl around 90.5K Savage. So more than likely it's that and its +2% for each +1 song for a total of +15%PDL without SV and +30% with SV.

Giving more power to +songs makes sense since you can't use it without the horn and it gets more +songs as you go up in stages. Larger reward for completion. Also makes it easier to justify as a song slot if it actually gives substantial benefits enough that you'd be willing to change your WS sets for it.

MAYBE, just maybe, they didn't mess up with Prime Weapons.

Idk.... I'm not totally sold on the scythe. Not to sound ungrateful because I do think its an awesome new weapon.

I can hit capped damage easily on Calad and now I lose empy white damage and a lower delay. I can also hit 85-95k Cross Reapers with Liberator and SU5 path B and I lose all that multi-attack. I already have an Apoc when I want to stay alive whose aftermath gives haste when LR is down.

So what have a gained? It's not like I going to say, "Don't worry, we don't need healing anymore guys. I got my scythe!" Yeah, its awesome doing capped damage and healing HP. It's not perfect, meaning bottom line this weapon is slower TP gain than other REMAs options anyway you look at it.

It's like the prime shield to me. Yeah its awesome having 75% MDT and Ochain blocking but I'm not gonna throw away my Aegis either. I think REMAs will still be better in some situations. I think they did a GOOD job not making the primes too overpowered. They all have downsides if you look hard enough.

I still think more testing is needed on stuff outside sortie when people upgrade further before final decisions are made on whether this is worth 6 months of your time versus other options.

No one cares about your damage on Qutrubs.

I hope you're just joking and not that bad that you don't believe it.

I don't believe any claim made without proof.

Ummmm.... I have a couple Ody farms tonight. I can take screenshots if you like? I think it's sort of sad that, that's a controversial statement....

"Easily" hitting capped damage on torcleaver would mean having some excessive buffs that most people wouldn't be using. Chaos roll and brd songs wouldn't be enough

“Easily” = 5x minuets 2x etude soulvoiced, cC Chaos, Bolster fury/frailty/ivit, angon, dia3+light shot, box step.

You know all the standard stuff