Prime WS Information, Testing, Discussion
Prime WS Information, Testing, Discussion
for 2654 to be a 1.0 ftp hit, you'd need over 575 base damage from WSC
My normal swings are doing ~604-630 without am
which is normal, 603 - 633 would be your range
maybe the extra hits have a set FTP? I know this isn't something other WS had but maybe its a new thing?
based on the fotia increase 5 is the only result that lines up for the 1K. can you try to get missed hits with something like a 2K or 3K and see what a secondary hit gives?
Fenrir.Ahlen said: »
maybe theres a WS dmg bonus like relics?
Interesting idea. So it would mean that we probably got all those fTP wrong and it's more like fTP is maybe twice lower, but whole WS has like hidden +100% specific WS damage.
Ramuh.Austar said: »
based on the fotia increase 5 is the only result that lines up for the 1K. can you try to get missed hits with something like a 2K or 3K and see what a secondary hit gives?
Fenrir.Ahlen said: »
working on 3k atm now ... no missed first hit yet
On avg it will be one miss every 100 WSs XD
none of the other ws have shown an oddity like this on a secondary hit, they have all lined up with 1.0 ftp
check with a weak offhand as well for 1K like a 1 dmg dagger
Ramuh.Austar said: »
check with a weak offhand as well for 1K like a 1 dmg dagger
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ok so I might have tabbed to my wrong spreadsheet for the hit doing 2654 hit... 4 hours of this is rough...That was one of my disaster 2k extra hits. seems like the only missed hit for 1k katana was 963 dmg. I was putting my missed first hits off to the side and copy / pasted them in at end so it could sort and show 5% higher then lower hit to see how close to I am. I tabbed to wrong spreadsheet when I looked for my 1k katana missed no fotia. Im not sure if the 2928 hit happend at all at this point my char with logger on wasn't in area. I got it on now.
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ignore the offhand request then, because that's in line with 1.0 for the offhand hit, would be 5 for first hit and no transfer of ftp to offhand hits, roughly 35% DEX/AGI but would need more to make sure they are equal to say with certainty
zesho 3k
same stats as 1k
3000 tp no fotia
19581
19618
19642
19693
19699
19729
19761
19768
19768
19831
19849
19900
19922
19948
19961
19989
19990
20020
20021
20093
20132
20142
20166
20177
20184
20205
20228
20289
20392
20417
20433
20472
20496
20505
20517
20525
19598
19698
3k +fotia neck
19677
19861
19866
19887
19893
19901
19908
19916
19926
19963
20086
20109
20130
20171
20188
20190
20194
20289
20294
20301
20314
20322
20330
20364
20374
20427
20430
20486
20499
20523
20557
20567
20575
20585
20608
20613
20629
20638
same stats as 1k
3000 tp no fotia
19581
19618
19642
19693
19699
19729
19761
19768
19768
19831
19849
19900
19922
19948
19961
19989
19990
20020
20021
20093
20132
20142
20166
20177
20184
20205
20228
20289
20392
20417
20433
20472
20496
20505
20517
20525
19598
19698
3k +fotia neck
19677
19861
19866
19887
19893
19901
19908
19916
19926
19963
20086
20109
20130
20171
20188
20190
20194
20289
20294
20301
20314
20322
20330
20364
20374
20427
20430
20486
20499
20523
20557
20567
20575
20585
20608
20613
20629
20638
let me know if I need any of my tests need a bit more testing but im done for today. Ill do 2k zesho tomorrow and maybe add more data points to any requested ws's ive done so far
that would line up with ~20 ftp but only 20% DEX and AGI mod, might need more data either on the 3K or the 1K data set since the WSC result is quite different.
the missed first hit gives ~25% DEX/AGI for WSC, so need more data
the missed first hit gives ~25% DEX/AGI for WSC, so need more data
I think one thing that is interesting, is that the Double Attack +10% on the Great Katana is not a factor when considering having the benefits of the Prime WS. The Prime Great Katana has proven by yall to be best in high end situations. Do I think I can keep masa and slowly over 5 years get a prime, sure, but masa is pretty damn good already for pure DD. Should I count the DA +10 as a consideration to get the prime, nah because its already really good in high buff situations.
DA+10 is a powerful augment but Sam's must be confused for why the augment isn't stp +5, zanshin +5 or ta+5, or even two more third eye shadows. Where did they get da+10?
DA+10 is a powerful augment but Sam's must be confused for why the augment isn't stp +5, zanshin +5 or ta+5, or even two more third eye shadows. Where did they get da+10?
Hopalong said: »
DA+10 is a powerful augment but Sam's must be confused for why the augment isn't stp +5, zanshin +5 or ta+5, or even two more third eye shadows. Where did they get da+10?
Same place they got DA+ as an augment on the RDM Sortie Earring.
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
that would line up with ~20 ftp but only 20% DEX and AGI mod, might need more data either on the 3K or the 1K data set since the WSC result is quite different.
the missed first hit gives ~25% DEX/AGI for WSC, so need more data
the missed first hit gives ~25% DEX/AGI for WSC, so need more data
Does Origin's Absorbs HP/MP work on undead like skeletons? (I know Drain's are technically ineffective against undead, but I'm curious about the wording here). Does it still do damage to skeletons AND return as HP/MP to the player?
No. It absorbs, it doesn't convert damage
Bahamut.Celebrindal said: »
Hopalong said: »
DA+10 is a powerful augment but Sam's must be confused for why the augment isn't stp +5, zanshin +5 or ta+5, or even two more third eye shadows. Where did they get da+10?
Same place they got DA+ as an augment on the RDM Sortie Earring.
Same place they got Acc and M.Acc only on RNG and COR earrings ;p
The pile of minimum effort.
Also big time props for Ahlen for doing this x4. You're a champ
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
No. It absorbs, it doesn't convert damage
It converts dmg on hp and it absorbs mp.
Catastrophe also converts dmg to hp and doesn't work on undead.
Details matter...
zesho same stats as 1k 3k
2k no fotia
13185
13222
13233
13265
13282
13318
13339
13382
13428
13441
13472
13477
13505
13511
13516
13519
13541
13576
13577
13587
13614
13623
13633
13642
13653
13665
13672
13683
13738
13776
13793
13619
13392
13260
13235
13604
13309
13488
13401
13483
13186
13203
13262
2k fotia neck
13263
13301
13433
13479
13484
13524
13667
13726
13732
13819
13827
13882
13915
981
2k no fotia
13185
13222
13233
13265
13282
13318
13339
13382
13428
13441
13472
13477
13505
13511
13516
13519
13541
13576
13577
13587
13614
13623
13633
13642
13653
13665
13672
13683
13738
13776
13793
13619
13392
13260
13235
13604
13309
13488
13401
13483
13186
13203
13262
2k fotia neck
13263
13301
13433
13479
13484
13524
13667
13726
13732
13819
13827
13882
13915
981
Origin didnt give mp or hp from trib who is undead if that helps at all.
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Quetzalcoatl.Tomasello said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
No. It absorbs, it doesn't convert damage
It converts dmg on hp and it absorbs mp.
Catastrophe also converts dmg to hp and doesn't work on undead.
Details matter...
Where did you get the idea that it converts damage to HP?
"Absorbs HP and MP. Damage varies with TP."
Fenrir.Ahlen said: »
zesho same stats as 1k 3k
2k no fotia
13185
13222
13233
13265
13282
13318
13339
13382
13428
13441
13472
13477
13505
13511
13516
13519
13541
13576
13577
13587
13614
13623
13633
13642
13653
13665
13672
13683
13738
13776
13793
13619
13392
13260
13235
13604
13309
13488
13401
13483
13186
13203
13262
2k fotia neck
13263
13301
13433
13479
13484
13524
13667
13726
13732
13819
13827
13882
13915
981
2k no fotia
13185
13222
13233
13265
13282
13318
13339
13382
13428
13441
13472
13477
13505
13511
13516
13519
13541
13576
13577
13587
13614
13623
13633
13642
13653
13665
13672
13683
13738
13776
13793
13619
13392
13260
13235
13604
13309
13488
13401
13483
13186
13203
13262
2k fotia neck
13263
13301
13433
13479
13484
13524
13667
13726
13732
13819
13827
13882
13915
981
I'll write a program that can find a matching WSC for all of the datasets. When you solve for the ftp just based on the fotia differences, the WSC all range from 20% to 35% (assuming DEX and AGI are equal.)
This time it was exact 1000 instead of before 1001 not sure if u want to combine the numbers
Zesho
1k no fotia
5658
5661
5684
5685
5697
5702
5709
5718
5734
5735
5739
5748
5759
5773
5786
5800
5804
5812
5817
5828
5831
5844
5847
5854
5877
5880
5898
5905
5924
1000 tp zesho fotia
5747
5773
5787
5796
5796
5818
5832
5836
5846
5849
5851
5866
5898
5912
5915
5915
5941
5964
5966
5977
5985
5987
5990
5997
6012
6027
Zesho
1k no fotia
5658
5661
5684
5685
5697
5702
5709
5718
5734
5735
5739
5748
5759
5773
5786
5800
5804
5812
5817
5828
5831
5844
5847
5854
5877
5880
5898
5905
5924
1000 tp zesho fotia
5747
5773
5787
5796
5796
5818
5832
5836
5846
5849
5851
5866
5898
5912
5915
5915
5941
5964
5966
5977
5985
5987
5990
5997
6012
6027
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
Where did you get the idea that it converts damage to HP?
"Absorbs HP and MP. Damage varies with TP."
I thought this was pending testing... To see if you can drain more hp than the mob has.
Code
Optimized x: 95.0036423155903 Optimized y1: 5.624152021842772 Optimized y2: 12.738661700293763 Optimized y3: 18.4021950683277 Optimized y4: 1.0 Optimized y5: 1.0
Approximation since the random.uniform() due to the 1~1.05 randomizer. The 4 and 5 are 1 ftp hits without wsd based on 1K and 2K pdl. 95 WSC would come out to ~26% DEX and AGI mod, likely 25% each. We don't have the most data so the best guess from here would 25%/25% mod with ~5.75 / ~13 / ~18.8175
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