Earp (Incomplete) i saw on Ambuscade Quadav
Leaden salut 99k tp 1k every ws
Prime WS Information, Testing, Discussion
Prime WS Information, Testing, Discussion
ah yes, the ultra qutrub
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Asura.Aragan said: »
Earp (Incomplete) i saw on Ambuscade Quadav
Leaden salut 99k tp 1k every ws
Leaden salut 99k tp 1k every ws
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So Great Sword looks like it can make a return for zergs with Mighty Strikes?
Ranoutofspace said: »
So Great Sword looks like it can make a return for zergs with Mighty Strikes?
Prime gaxe would be exactly the same under those buffs, so it's really more like a Prime weapon will be your new Mighty Strikes weapon of choice.
I actually wonder how low we will be able to push Bumba v25 on first KI with everyone in party using Primes and having luck on random Skillchains doing damage not heals.
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what's the alternative BiS GS (alternative to Prime) for MS Reso spam zergs atm?
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SimonSes said: »
Ranoutofspace said: »
So Great Sword looks like it can make a return for zergs with Mighty Strikes?
Prime gaxe would be exactly the same under those buffs, so it's really more like a Prime weapon will be your new Mighty Strikes weapon of choice.
G.Axe if you love WAR and G.Swd if you love the idea of your Prime Weapon being usable on
Phoenix.Iocus said: »
SimonSes said: »
Ranoutofspace said: »
So Great Sword looks like it can make a return for zergs with Mighty Strikes?
Prime gaxe would be exactly the same under those buffs, so it's really more like a Prime weapon will be your new Mighty Strikes weapon of choice.
G.Axe if you love WAR and G.Swd if you love the idea of your Prime Weapon being usable on
Gaxe animation is way better tho :P
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Asura.Bippin said: »
Asura.Aragan said: »
Earp (Incomplete) i saw on Ambuscade Quadav
Leaden salut 99k tp 1k every ws
Leaden salut 99k tp 1k every ws
I think it is you.. because this information maybe needed by someone and saves them time.. and anyone who has information or a test to put it here and with a great feeling
Asura.Aragan said: »
Asura.Bippin said: »
Asura.Aragan said: »
Earp (Incomplete) i saw on Ambuscade Quadav
Leaden salut 99k tp 1k every ws
Leaden salut 99k tp 1k every ws
I think it is you.. because this information maybe needed by someone and saves them time.. and anyone who has information or a test to put it here and with a great feeling
Maybe you just arent aware, but the lv 40 AF trump gun would in fact produce higher leaden salutes then the Earp (incomplete) - the info you shared has absolutely nothing to do with the prime weapon
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Phoenix.Iocus said: »
SimonSes said: »
Ranoutofspace said: »
So Great Sword looks like it can make a return for zergs with Mighty Strikes?
Prime gaxe would be exactly the same under those buffs, so it's really more like a Prime weapon will be your new Mighty Strikes weapon of choice.
G.Axe if you love WAR and G.Swd if you love the idea of your Prime Weapon being usable on
Well.. Paladin can still go /SAM, wear Sakpata and use Nyake for single hit WS's. A buddy was CPing PLD and did that with is Caladbolg on the undead dogs in inner raz, was hilarious with Undead Circle up almost full time.
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Asura.Aragan said: »
I think it is you.. because this information maybe needed by someone and saves them time.. and anyone who has information or a test to put it here and with a great feeling
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Phoenix.Iocus said: »
SimonSes said: »
Ranoutofspace said: »
So Great Sword looks like it can make a return for zergs with Mighty Strikes?
Prime gaxe would be exactly the same under those buffs, so it's really more like a Prime weapon will be your new Mighty Strikes weapon of choice.
G.Axe if you love WAR and G.Swd if you love the idea of your Prime Weapon being usable on
Yeah, if I was making a prime just for WAR I would have gone with GA. Better than GS for skillchaining, breaks without switching, higher skill, etc. That being said, this game is very multi job orientated, so being on 4 jobs was a big factor for me.
I agree on the multi-job aspect of the GS being very attractive, but I would be curious to see what a RUN is capable of with it. If you want to get tanky on RUN, even just to a "hybrid DD" styled build, its often difficult to get the DPS stats for proper TP gain...a gap that Epeo really helps fill nicely. Not saying this GSWD has no use beyond WAR/DRK, just interested in seeing tests beyond the first job one makes these weapons for.
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Bahamut.Celebrindal said: »
I agree on the multi-job aspect of the GS being very attractive, but I would be curious to see what a RUN is capable of with it. If you want to get tanky on RUN, even just to a "hybrid DD" styled build, its often difficult to get the DPS stats for proper TP gain...a gap that Epeo really helps fill nicely. Not saying this GSWD has no use beyond WAR/DRK, just interested in seeing tests beyond the first job one makes these weapons for.
Yeah I dont disagree, I made it for WAR/DRK, with some potential for fun on RUN/PLD
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Shiva.Flowen said: »
Phoenix.Iocus said: »
SimonSes said: »
Ranoutofspace said: »
So Great Sword looks like it can make a return for zergs with Mighty Strikes?
Prime gaxe would be exactly the same under those buffs, so it's really more like a Prime weapon will be your new Mighty Strikes weapon of choice.
G.Axe if you love WAR and G.Swd if you love the idea of your Prime Weapon being usable on
Yeah, if I was making a prime just for WAR I would have gone with GA. Better than GS for skillchaining, breaks without switching, higher skill, etc. That being said, this game is very multi job orientated, so being on 4 jobs was a big factor for me.
WAR already has Chango though and that thing is an utter beast for multi-steps. I guess the GAXE makes darkness but I see the GS as having more utility if it's really that good at pure burst DPS vommit.
Asura.Saevel said: »
Shiva.Flowen said: »
Phoenix.Iocus said: »
SimonSes said: »
Ranoutofspace said: »
So Great Sword looks like it can make a return for zergs with Mighty Strikes?
Prime gaxe would be exactly the same under those buffs, so it's really more like a Prime weapon will be your new Mighty Strikes weapon of choice.
G.Axe if you love WAR and G.Swd if you love the idea of your Prime Weapon being usable on
Yeah, if I was making a prime just for WAR I would have gone with GA. Better than GS for skillchaining, breaks without switching, higher skill, etc. That being said, this game is very multi job orientated, so being on 4 jobs was a big factor for me.
WAR already has Chango though and that thing is an utter beast for multi-steps. I guess the GAXE makes darkness but I see the GS as having more utility if it's really that good at pure burst DPS vommit.
This was part of my rationale. If you want to use breaks, solo big light SCs or rock an AM3 crit build, pull out chango or ukon, for darkness or WS spam use helheim. Doesn't really feel like you miss out on much by skipping the GA in favour of the GS for WAR, and then you get to use it on other jobs too.
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Plus, I think Store TP +10 is of greater use then DA +10, especially with TP return off single hit WS's.
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Managed to get some more test results with Diarmuid. Turns out it is very heavily front loaded on the first hit.
This was trust buffs only, using Sylvie, KoH, Qultada, Ulmia, Joachim. Drg/dnc as I was originally doing some tests trying to avoid multi hits. Nyame B is Rank 24 body, and the rest is rank 22 (been slowly switching over as it used to all be rank 25 A).
The ws appears to scale quite well to 2k tp and then drops off a bit.
Set used for these tests:
ItemSet 391877
This was trust buffs only, using Sylvie, KoH, Qultada, Ulmia, Joachim. Drg/dnc as I was originally doing some tests trying to avoid multi hits. Nyame B is Rank 24 body, and the rest is rank 22 (been slowly switching over as it used to all be rank 25 A).
The ws appears to scale quite well to 2k tp and then drops off a bit.
Set used for these tests:
ItemSet 391877
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What's your STR/VIT, totals, in that ws set?
Sitting at 405 STR and 358 VIT. ML 36
Actually messed up the base damage and forgot utu so none of this is prob close to right, I'm sure someone can come up with a fairly decent approx.
That 10,947 2nd hit only is interesting, isn't that far too high for a non FTP transfer (prob too low for an FTP transfer as well given the single hit only sample) given the weapons base damage + fstr, even if the WSC were 100% it shouldn't be close to that high. Would have to be more mods at play no?
Stands to reason the polearm ws is going to have a lower FTP value than some of the other stronger weapons due to the whole 21% WSD trait as well.
That 10,947 2nd hit only is interesting, isn't that far too high for a non FTP transfer (prob too low for an FTP transfer as well given the single hit only sample) given the weapons base damage + fstr, even if the WSC were 100% it shouldn't be close to that high. Would have to be more mods at play no?
Stands to reason the polearm ws is going to have a lower FTP value than some of the other stronger weapons due to the whole 21% WSD trait as well.
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Bismarck.Jabrolout said: »
Managed to get some more test results with Diarmuid. Turns out it is very heavily front loaded on the first hit.
Seems like this is going to be a shared trait with all of the Prime WSes.
This small piece of information, for example, is built on a chain of information at the end .. And everything is built from small parts to complete the picture like this subject .. You cannot climb the stairs with one jump .. In the end, do not comment on everyone because the forum is not for you alone .. When you were born, you do not know Everything..when you started the game you didn't know everything..these are prime weapons now you don't know everything about them..so keep silent dumb
Asura.Aragan said: »
This small piece of information, for example, is built on a chain of information at the end .. And everything is built from small parts to complete the picture like this subject .. You cannot climb the stairs with one jump .. In the end, do not comment on everyone because the forum is not for you alone .. When you were born, you do not know Everything..when you started the game you didn't know everything..these are prime weapons now you don't know everything about them..so keep silent dumb
you might not be picking up on their subtle hints, the quadav takes increased damage so you cap damage with literally non ilvl weapons.
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Bahamut.Celebrindal said: »
I agree on the multi-job aspect of the GS being very attractive, but I would be curious to see what a RUN is capable of with it. If you want to get tanky on RUN, even just to a "hybrid DD" styled build, its often difficult to get the DPS stats for proper TP gain...a gap that Epeo really helps fill nicely. Not saying this GSWD has no use beyond WAR/DRK, just interested in seeing tests beyond the first job one makes these weapons for.
There is basically no PDL available without Nyame A path for RUN. This + Aria is probably a gairly large shift to making RUN/DRK almost a DPS that just happens to parry and deals with magic damage well. BRD required for sure.
It makes Dark easy and 10 Store TP with Temper is very usable. Not mad at it.
I think I'm going Shield to Stage 3, and then Bow or GSWD to max. There isn't that much that appeals to my RDM so I might as well get treats for my other well geared jobs.
Asura.Bynebill said: »
Actually messed up the base damage and forgot utu so none of this is prob close to right, I'm sure someone can come up with a fairly decent approx.
That 10,947 2nd hit only is interesting, isn't that far too high for a non FTP transfer (prob too low for an FTP transfer as well given the single hit only sample) given the weapons base damage + fstr, even if the WSC were 100% it shouldn't be close to that high. Would have to be more mods at play no?
Stands to reason the polearm ws is going to have a lower FTP value than some of the other stronger weapons due to the whole 21% WSD trait as well.
That 10,947 2nd hit only is interesting, isn't that far too high for a non FTP transfer (prob too low for an FTP transfer as well given the single hit only sample) given the weapons base damage + fstr, even if the WSC were 100% it shouldn't be close to that high. Would have to be more mods at play no?
Stands to reason the polearm ws is going to have a lower FTP value than some of the other stronger weapons due to the whole 21% WSD trait as well.
There is 2% triple attack from the belt, but most likely it's just a double attack with 31% WSD trait from having a buffed wyvern.
DRG having Conserve TP makes them posting their ending TP useful but still guess work.
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If conserve TP proc it would still be higher than 100tp return, would only see 100 TP return on a single non main hit landing.
I don't think it's possible for it to hit that high with just the listed PDL values + weapon base damage (including cap fstr) even if the STR/VIT WSC were 100%. even if it was top end of pdif randomizer.
Even with 31% WSD trait, maybe I'm missing something tho. Wouldn't it take like 1600~ base damage pre drg WSD boost to get that amount from a non FTP hit?
Seems like the aftermath is potentially higher or there are other WSC at play, probably aftermath.
I don't think it's possible for it to hit that high with just the listed PDL values + weapon base damage (including cap fstr) even if the STR/VIT WSC were 100%. even if it was top end of pdif randomizer.
Even with 31% WSD trait, maybe I'm missing something tho. Wouldn't it take like 1600~ base damage pre drg WSD boost to get that amount from a non FTP hit?
Seems like the aftermath is potentially higher or there are other WSC at play, probably aftermath.
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Asura.Aragan said: »
This small piece of information, for example, is built on a chain of information at the end .. And everything is built from small parts to complete the picture like this subject .. You cannot climb the stairs with one jump .. In the end, do not comment on everyone because the forum is not for you alone .. When you were born, you do not know Everything..when you started the game you didn't know everything..these are prime weapons now you don't know everything about them..so keep silent dumb
you should just stick to posting screenshots no one wants to see.
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