Prime WS Information, Testing, Discussion

Our melee group is usually MNK+WAR but we mix up and go MNK+SAM or MNK+DRK. All three combinations usually parse within 1% of each other over the course of the run. I'll have stage 3 h2h later next week. Monk is absolutely fine for Sortie. Subtle blow/penance is all around helpful. Being able to Chakra is very handy splitting up for top floor objectives.

Admittedly, our group is not doing 7-8 bosses melee style yet.

Monk could asuran fist ... I know its not the best ws but it really doesn't matter when you start kiting him. I used to use mercy stroke on rdm before I got the prime ws... both still kinda suck and its fine.

Velner, can you comment/share numbers on how GS performs at lower tp? Have you tested it with Aria yet? Leaning towards GS myself. Thanks!

He has at least 10 streaming VODs on YouTube contains full Sortie runs with him on DRK with Great Sword. You can watch how it perform on all TP levels and with various buffs there.

Thanks!

Still wanting to see H2H, polearm and bow.. but given the grind i'm finding weps with multiple jobs I play very appealing.


Nice one testing this. I am very likely to pick up a 2 hander and horn on my brd, so I can test the values for 2 handers if we dont have info in the next few days. Values do look low.. I wonder if they will increase at stage 4/5. Good to know how much the aftermath is contributing to some of these numbers.

Only some numbers from the run. I tried testing it yesterday, but had terrible luck on randomizer spread and couldn't calculate specific WSC and fTP


Upstairs was Honor and 2 minuets + Fury (we had GEO replace RDM this time) and Absorb-STR with Liberator and Warcry from WAR. No Aria. G and F was soulvoiced. Subjob /sam, but I was saving Last Resort for bosses anyway, so I'm not sure if /DRG wouldnt be better.

[Baniak] 99999 Origin Abject Obdella
[Baniak] 85122 Origin Ghatjot
[Baniak] 99999 Origin Ghatjot
Fragmentation: 52174 Ghatjot
[Baniak] 99999 Origin Ghatjot
[Baniak] 95163 Origin Skomora
[Baniak] 91984 Origin Skomora
[Baniak] 82937 Origin Skomora

[Baniak] 96442 Origin Dhartok
[Baniak] 68690 Origin Dhartok
[Baniak] 85417 Origin Dhartok
[Baniak] 81176 Origin Dhartok
[Baniak] 36534 Origin Dhartok
[Baniak] 42783 Origin Dhartok
[Baniak] 62409 Origin Dhartok
Low numbers are with Warcry down, below 2000TP and massive STR down from Drown and BRD changed one minuet to Madrigal. Possibly I walled myself too (we tried to kite it away from the cloud)

[Baniak] 71755 Origin Triboulex
[Baniak] 85584 Origin Triboulex
[Baniak] 99999 Origin Triboulex
[Baniak] 69016 Origin Triboulex

[Baniak] 91268 Origin Gartell

We both know the answer to that question...

but

When you post straight 99999's we can have that conversation...

not really super important information, but I guess I can contribute something beyond snarky comments^^

The Description of Pinaka says "Accuracy+25, Magic Accuracy+25", but when compared against Fail-Not, mainhand/offhand accuracy does not move. Just like the Crepuscular Earring originally, its a localization error and it IS +25 Ranged Accuracy.

Now about those earrings.

Also, that's probably true for the gun. COR can always use more r.acc

Edit: any news on the arrow from the weapon?

The Scavenge effect for the unique ammo isn't available until the Stage 4.

I feel like I've quoted my post from June 10th on the Ranger thread saying that it is racc and not acc like three times already

Would love to see it. There isn't a single post in any thread in the Ranger Subforum on June 10th.

You're right
It was may 10th, I misread the 5-10 oopsie
not that that makes it any better, that means the information was out there even longer, which, shrug
Mind you the context was gun because that's what I was checking at the time, but surely it's unsurprising it's a typo on both.


edit: attempted gotcha aside, the Japanese wiki page has had the right attributes for Pinaka as well.

More useless Origin numbers, used it on just about every boss except B/F for obvious reasons. I have a really bad habit of WS'ing at 1K TP and I also keep forgetting to swap my PDL gear on for the top floor bosses, which really hurts dmg. I only have JSE+1 Earring and JSE neck on for PDL. Everything is done with COR (Crooked Chaos), BRD (Aria) and no GEO.









Since I'm not gonna have time for any fTP, ws mod or any of the really important testing, the only thing I can do is compare next run with the same setup while wearing PDL for top bosses, so probably going to stop posting them now.

I will say, I was actually worried about some of our earlier runs where I did way less dmg under seemingly the same conditions, but I guess we may have had weaker rolls, crooked on the samurai or just bad DT on bosses like Aita that skewed my perception, but there was a run or two where I actually used Calad on some of the bosses instead, but this shows that Origin definitely does do way more when done at the right TP% and without trying to force PDL gear where it won't work. Though, ironically, I used less PDL gear where I should have on some of them.

Im not sure if you can put more PDL on upstairs bosses considering only 4 songs and Aria replacing minuet (more PDL, less attack). You already have 34% on Scythe with Aria/neck/earring, so you need ~6.4 more attack, than target's def to cap at this point. I assume those bosses has at least 1500def, so if you only use Dia3+LightShot, you would need at least 7400attack. You would need to use some def down WS/angon/boxstep to maybe squeeze more, but I dont see a point. If you capping attack with 34%PDL then you should easily do 80-99k all the time.

The RDM does Dia III, the COR usually light shots it and the WAR opens with Armor Break. I don't think the BRD bothers doing Box Step on top floor bosses, but is there for basement bosses. None of that really slows down the fight and it allows other people with other WS to hit higher numbers as well. Not everyone has a Stage 3 melee in the group yet, but as you can see from the numbers, I am not overkilling. The 99k's are DA/TA proc at high TP, but some of them are on the basement bosses.

Need to edit the post to reflect that H, F and usually G are Soul Voiced, so that's a massive boost during those fights. None of the top bosses are fought during SV though.

has any 1 tested the Great axe?

You have my numbers above yours and I hit 99k on upstairs bosses at very high TP with just 28%PDL+Aftermath (no Aria) and without any DA/TA proc.

I think you simply expect too much from PDL you want to add.

Only Ephramad's ring would have a chance to be a significant boost, because you would replace less WSD with more PDL or less PDL with more PDL.
If you can cap attack Empy+3 head could also win with R25 Nyame, but not by miles and more because of STR/INT than 10% PDL over 10% WSD. Definitely changing any Nyame to Sakpata will be a downgrade, even if you somehow cap attack.

Armor break most likely wont work on D, unless its in Earth mode and wont work on B in Thunder mode. Box step from /dnc goes up to 13%, but beside first 5% you build it very slowly.

On first page you have links to tests/numbers in this thread and Gaxe is there.

Is anyone close to 2.5 mil muffins so they can do the next upgrade shortly after the next update? I'm sure we're all very curious what the next stage involves. I upgraded staff and am currently sitting on 300k muffins and have roughly 51 runs left until I hit 2.5 mil.

Think even the people going every day since the update you're going to be waiting another month or two

Yeah you need 10 (15 total) RoE items to do the next update so it'll be July for sure.

I only have trusts here @1k TP in my Howling Fist set. Nothing much to report other than the glory of MNK distortion. Useful for BFDH bosses or setting up Leaden closer.

Isnt heckteyes -25% blunt damage? 28k at 1kTP with Trusts buffs would be pretty high. I dont understand why you dont have more numbers tho? You did one WS and left the zone? :)

you gotta chill out, he posted what he posted.

I mean, it is a pretty good question... Who on gods green earth could resist at least a 3k TP ws after grinding 1m gali!

You need to chill out, I asked a simple question.