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By Odin.Demhar 2023-05-10 12:23:46
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The word "Afterglow" is missing in the descriptions for i119 III stage.
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By Lakshmi.Stepth 2023-05-10 12:34:28
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I hope the name for the Katana WS is a mistranslation. I can’t have a list of WSs called “Blade:” and then a random Jijin Kaimetsu at the end.
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By Asura.Saevel 2023-05-10 12:38:00
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Lakshmi.Stepth said: »
I hope the name for the Katana WS is a mistranslation. I can’t have a list of WSs called “Blade:” and then a random Jijin Kaimetsu at the end.

That's intentional, it randomly picks another WS to use and just applies the Prime weapons SC property :troll:
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By Meeble 2023-05-10 12:40:15
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Taint said: »
I hope the next stage is easy like basement drop and 50k Galli just so we can play with the FTPs before starting the long grind.

Fujito(3/30 Dengeki interview) said:
That's right. In line with the current play style, we have made it so that even solos can be strengthened step by step. However, you may feel that the final stage of strengthening is a little harsh. In addition, when the prime weapon is strengthened to the final stage, so-called "moyamoya" will be attached.

I bet my Daurdabla it's the exact same mechanic as Eikondrites. Random chance of getting the requisite stone from any blue/red/gold objective if you have a prime on that stage in your inventory.

Maybe Amnion kill / Voracious Psyche also required for the final upgrade.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2023-05-10 12:40:46
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Oh my. Fujito be firing someone this week.

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By Leviathan.Boposhopo 2023-05-10 12:55:56
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So does COR get Scavenge now? Or does every COR have to lvl a RNG just to get the Prime Bullets?
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By Ragnarok.Primex 2023-05-10 12:56:05
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Cerberus.Kylos said: »
Oh my. Fujito be firing someone this week.

emergency maint inc.

I just spent a month getting my relics, empys, aeonics done and only for this update to pretty much make them all obsolete lol.
feels good to be back in XI, nothing's changed
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By Bahamut.Mhysa 2023-05-10 13:00:00
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RadialArcana said: »

PURPLE SUPREMACY RISEEE
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By Odin.Demhar 2023-05-10 13:00:34
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Leviathan.Boposhopo said: »
So does COR get Scavenge now? Or does every COR have to lvl a RNG just to get the Prime Bullets?
Yah that was in my thoughts too... I'm assuming it could be translation error instead of dispenses turned into scavenge.
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By Shiva.Flowen 2023-05-10 13:05:48
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Cerberus.Kylos said: »
Oh my. Fujito be firing someone this week.


Can confirm 3 gobbie keys completed the top one and gave expected reward lol
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By Leviathan.Boposhopo 2023-05-10 13:06:04
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Odin.Demhar said: »
Leviathan.Boposhopo said: »
So does COR get Scavenge now? Or does every COR have to lvl a RNG just to get the Prime Bullets?
Yah that was in my thoughts too... I'm assuming it could be translation error instead of dispenses turned into scavenge.

That would definitely make a whole lot more sense
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2023-05-10 13:08:45
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Shiva.Flowen said: »
Cerberus.Kylos said: »
Oh my. Fujito be firing someone this week.


Can confirm 3 gobbie keys completed the top one and gave expected reward lol

1 down. 3 to go. Someone has to go and beat every single high tier battlefield, lol.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2023-05-10 13:10:09
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It's shadowlord. Chocobo race and do a woe.

It's always the same top 3 and a random htb

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By Asura.Melliny 2023-05-10 13:18:51
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So does COR get Scavenge now? Or does every COR have to lvl a RNG just to get the Prime Bullets?


I thought of this as well but refrained from mentioning it earlier. The thing about scavenge is it's level 10, so a cor could just level ranger to 10, then go out to any normal zone with ranger as their sub job to gain access to them. Even if they never played ranger in their life that's really not that big of a deal.

The bigger issue I have is "how many of them are we able to scavenge at a time". If they only give a small handful per scavenge attempt you'll just end up with people running scavenge bots overnight while they sleep to build up a decent stockpile. That's hardly the type of design mechanic you'd want to encourage players to engage in, and quite frankly seems pretty stupid.

So yeah, I'm also hoping it's just a mistranslation of "dispense". It seems kind of dumb for corsairs to not be able to get the bullets natively without having to jump through hoops like that...but this is s-e we're dealing with here. It probably is scavenge...and it probably works just like I suspect. I really hope I'm wrong though.
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By Asura.Saevel 2023-05-10 13:19:32
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
It'd have to be even more busted than that to beat Expiacion, and then more busted than that to make me wanna actually wear that over Tizona!

But hey maybe it's better than Excalibur for rdm

I said it in discord but I would've loved to see something like a generic buff duration+% stat. That would've been a positive effect for blu, pld, and rdm.

But yeah. With exception to the sword (and weird ***like DA on great katana which is practically griefing), I'm happy as a pig in ***.

Last I checked Expacion can't SC worth a damn, and these seem to be similar to Aeonics in that they favor multi-step SCs.

Sword's usefulness will depend entirely on how strong Imperator is. If it's half decent then Imperator -> Imperator -> Savage Blade -> CDC would be a strong four step double light. Doing the same thing for BLU that Excal does for RDM. I don't think anything is ever going to beat Tizona/Thibron for pure WS spamming on BLU, same with Naegling/Thibron for RDM.

The DT / refresh is ... interesting, I'd have to check but maybe lets us drop an accessory in our TP set and maintain defense. The refresh is obviously to makeup for not having infinite MP from Tiz.
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By Asura.Iamaman 2023-05-10 13:23:21
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Ragnarok.Primex said: »
I just spent a month getting my relics, empys, aeonics done and only for this update to pretty much make them all obsolete lol.
feels good to be back in XI, nothing's changed

I wouldn't get too ahead of ourselves here, the only thing that is flat out obsolete is Ochain and that happened months ago with the base Duban. Possibly BRD instruments, you'd need to fully complete it to get full potency out of the PDL song, but otherwise having the other rea instruments is giving you the same or better.

There is a lot we still don't know, like completion requirements/time aside from a 6 month estimate and the potency of the aftermath effects. Aside from properties, we don't know much about the weaponskills either, they could be hot garbage for all we know. If they are, then a lot of these weapons won't be very useful. Some look promising, but I wouldn't go into obsolete territory based on what we know now except for Ochain.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2023-05-10 13:27:07
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Asura.Melliny said: »
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So does COR get Scavenge now? Or does every COR have to lvl a RNG just to get the Prime Bullets?


I thought of this as well but refrained from mentioning it earlier. The thing about scavenge is it's level 10, so a cor could just level ranger to 10, then go out to any normal zone with ranger as their sub job to gain access to them. Even if they never played ranger in their life that's really not that big of a deal.

The bigger issue I have is "how many of them are we able to scavenge at a time". If they only give a small handful per scavenge attempt you'll just end up with people running scavenge bots overnight while they sleep to build up a decent stockpile. That's hardly the type of design mechanic you'd want to encourage players to engage in, and quite frankly seems pretty stupid.

So yeah, I'm also hoping it's just a mistranslation of "dispense". It seems kind of dumb for corsairs to not be able to get the bullets natively without having to jump through hoops like that...but this is s-e we're dealing with here. It probably is scavenge...and it probably works just like I suspect. I really hope I'm wrong though.
Ya I dont think se over here thinking cor subs rng lol. Can't imagine it wouldn't be on the weapon itself like you said I think it maybe wrong translation.
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By benjaman 2023-05-10 13:27:28
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What is dissolution? New SC property?
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By Leviathan.Boposhopo 2023-05-10 13:28:44
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benjaman said: »
What is dissolution? New SC property?

Asura.Eiryl said: »
Liquefaction

Imperator (Sword) - Damage varies with TP. Skillchain attributes: Dissolution, Impaction, Fragmentation.

Fimbulvetr (Great Sword) - Damage varies with TP. Skillchain attributes: Liquefaction, Impaction, Fragmentation

Disaster (Great Axe) - Damage varies with TP. Skillchain attributes: Liquefaction, Impaction, Fragmentation

Maru Kala (H2H) - Delivers a twofold attack. Damage varies with TP. Skillchain attributes: Dissolution, Impaction, Fragmentation.

These 4 should be the same
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By Asura.Saevel 2023-05-10 13:35:50
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Ragnarok.Primex said: »
I just spent a month getting my relics, empys, aeonics done and only for this update to pretty much make them all obsolete lol.
feels good to be back in XI, nothing's changed

I wouldn't get too ahead of ourselves here, the only thing that is flat out obsolete is Ochain and that happened months ago with the base Duban. Possibly BRD instruments, you'd need to fully complete it to get full potency out of the PDL song, but otherwise having the other rea instruments is giving you the same or better.

There is a lot we still don't know, like completion requirements/time aside from a 6 month estimate and the potency of the aftermath effects. Aside from properties, we don't know much about the weaponskills either, they could be hot garbage for all we know. If they are, then a lot of these weapons won't be very useful. Some look promising, but I wouldn't go into obsolete territory based on what we know now except for Ochain.

Yeah the usefulness will depend largely on if the WS's are worth using in a multi-step SC. It's obvious they intend for these to make SC's or they wouldn't of built them all to be so easy to link with. Currently Sword and Great Sword are terrible at multi-steping while Great Katana, Great Axe and Scythe are amazing at it. The rest fall somewhere between the two. I'd be happy as long as these offer ways to get more creative with SC's.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2023-05-10 13:38:27
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Cerberus.Kylos said: »
Shiva.Flowen said: »
Cerberus.Kylos said: »
Oh my. Fujito be firing someone this week.


Can confirm 3 gobbie keys completed the top one and gave expected reward lol

1 down. 3 to go. Someone has to go and beat every single high tier battlefield, lol.

Looks like one of them is watch a Chocobo race. If anyone knows the other two, that would be cool to know. Thanks.
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By Asura.Bippin 2023-05-10 13:39:53
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Cerberus.Kylos said: »
Looks like one of them is watch a Chocobo race. If anyone knows the other two, that would be cool to know. Thanks.

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Chocobo races
Walk of echoes
And shadow lord high tier
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By Rips 2023-05-10 13:51:50
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You are all colour blind.

It's violet-pink.
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By Shiva.Flowen 2023-05-10 13:52:07
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Fourfold attack for dagger is about right. Two triple attacks push you to 8. One will be wasted if you are dual wielding. Hope that ftp replicates.

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By Phoenix.Iocus 2023-05-10 14:00:27
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
It'd have to be even more busted than that to beat Expiacion, and then more busted than that to make me wanna actually wear that over Tizona!

But hey maybe it's better than Excalibur for rdm

I said it in discord but I would've loved to see something like a generic buff duration+% stat. That would've been a positive effect for blu, pld, and rdm.

But yeah. With exception to the sword (and weird ***like DA on great katana which is practically griefing), I'm happy as a pig in ***.

Last I checked Expacion can't SC worth a damn, and these seem to be similar to Aeonics in that they favor multi-step SCs.

Sword's usefulness will depend entirely on how strong Imperator is. If it's half decent then Imperator -> Imperator -> Savage Blade -> CDC would be a strong four step double light. Doing the same thing for BLU that Excal does for RDM. I don't think anything is ever going to beat Tizona/Thibron for pure WS spamming on BLU, same with Naegling/Thibron for RDM.

The DT / refresh is ... interesting, I'd have to check but maybe lets us drop an accessory in our TP set and maintain defense. The refresh is obviously to makeup for not having infinite MP from Tiz.

Sword is also the only listed Prime Weapon with Atk +70. If the theme is get to PDL, then at least it has that going for it. BLU could be very useful, RDM/PLD maybe less so without some serious hand holding.
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By Asura.Volteczero 2023-05-10 14:07:21
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The bullet and arrow stack size is 1 and it's rare ex, so I guess the scavenge thing makes sense
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By Asura.Saevel 2023-05-10 14:11:41
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Phoenix.Iocus said: »
Asura.Saevel said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
It'd have to be even more busted than that to beat Expiacion, and then more busted than that to make me wanna actually wear that over Tizona!

But hey maybe it's better than Excalibur for rdm

I said it in discord but I would've loved to see something like a generic buff duration+% stat. That would've been a positive effect for blu, pld, and rdm.

But yeah. With exception to the sword (and weird ***like DA on great katana which is practically griefing), I'm happy as a pig in ***.

Last I checked Expacion can't SC worth a damn, and these seem to be similar to Aeonics in that they favor multi-step SCs.

Sword's usefulness will depend entirely on how strong Imperator is. If it's half decent then Imperator -> Imperator -> Savage Blade -> CDC would be a strong four step double light. Doing the same thing for BLU that Excal does for RDM. I don't think anything is ever going to beat Tizona/Thibron for pure WS spamming on BLU, same with Naegling/Thibron for RDM.

The DT / refresh is ... interesting, I'd have to check but maybe lets us drop an accessory in our TP set and maintain defense. The refresh is obviously to makeup for not having infinite MP from Tiz.

Sword is also the only listed Prime Weapon with Atk +70. If the theme is get to PDL, then at least it has that going for it. BLU could be very useful, RDM/PLD maybe less so without some serious hand holding.

Not sure about PLD, RDM is already pretty strong in places where it does melee, typically low man team doing random stuff. Basically anywhere you'd be doing Excal. Not sure anything would put RDM into a premium DD slot though.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2023-05-10 14:20:12
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RIP cor but hey unlimited shot is back baby
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By Bahamut.Celebrindal 2023-05-10 14:21:16
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Unlimited Shot will never be back, because that would require it to have been here in the first place. Nothing SE could release would ever equate to the dps increase from Double Shot.
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By Shiva.Cziella 2023-05-10 14:23:11
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Are the new WSs the same animation as old Relics with new names, or also new animations?
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