November 2022 Version Update

36 today
24 mimics
3 LT - junk
12 total thuds - junk (2-3 on some runs)
3 LT (IN A ROW!) - crep cloak, volte bracers, epam ring
2 rainbow chests (first two from lucky streak)
3 gold chests,

probably coincidence, but BOTH rainbow chest runs gave a fresh mars orb on trade-in - and those were back to back runs.

That's very solid for 36 orbs. Good job.

Having run sortie on a number of characters to try to scam at least a +1 earring on a few jobs on dm mules, I can say that getting to prime weapons at level 2 will not be an issue for anyone willing to put in a week or two of work. Even if you go solo and do 0 fighting objectives you could probably get 20k muffins in a month at worst. Not terrible for the missions at release. Not nearly as bad as COP at release.

That being said, I am also hoping they don't make higher than level 2 be hard required for missions later on. Was a little annoyed that some mules had the shield for LOL PLD/Majesty shenanigans, will need to use some of their reserves to grab another damage weapon instead of upgrading their +3 gear. (nothing else to spend muffins on really for dm/trove mules)

If they could have the mp return calculate prior to any damage reduction taking place it could at least have that. Maybe add additional SIRD or something on it... or make it tp return as well, or something weird, like maybe each hit increases meva until you get hit with something then it resets... but that would probably be more tied to a ja I guess...

Anyone figure out a new trigger for Vol. 1's "the magical energies dissipate" message?

I'm a bit curious, what's your EP/Hour?

Man so that's what 10+ hrs/level at this point? So ~100 hours to get from 40-50. What a crazy wamoura.

It's very reasonable, when you don't do it the exact way you all insist on doing it.

Instead of forcing ml50 to do content, get ml50 by doing content.

This is the last thing you get for 6 months, and you want it done in 2 days.

(They never should've let you get exemplar points at all outside of instances, but logistically your whining would've made it impossible)

I think youre vastly underestimating the EP you get in instanced content.
Went thru some logs from my last dyna-d
22ish EP per Squadron
45ish per Regiment

Almost 1000 Regiment mobs to get to ML5, which has a very tame total ML earned.

ML 15 = 432k xp, at 45 a pop = almost 10k mobs. That 432k total xp to go from 0-15 is the same as going from 34-35. Theres more content beyond dyna-d obviously, but that 6 months “from instanced only” is highly unlikely.

Thats also not factoring the absolute sodomy of EP loss on death when you have major TNLs. And yes, no matter how god tier good you are, deaths will happen.

You're also splitting that 18 ways. (or however many multiboxes you take)

Between a Dyna, daily omen, daily sorte and daily odyssey it comes out to something reasonable. Also UNM should give exemplar points.

Reasonable being, actually reasonable, and not zealotigously unreasonable. (*)If you find dailies to be reasonable. Which they aren't. But that's another thing.

I'm hitting ML 30 on all my important jobs and letting daily segments and sortie do the rest. They'll come up with a campaign eventually.

If there is an issue with needing more MLs to get wins then sure, but otherwise I'll get to it eventually.

They'd have to bump exemplar points in instanced content to be 3-5x what it currently is to be anywhere close to reasonable for the M50 grind.

Our group has someone whose been exclusively WAR for C farms since joining up with us and is only like M32ish. And we've been running pretty consistently with the occasional day missed or weekend break here and there since February. Ody has about the best points for content all things considered and that's still only about 3M points for close to a year. That's is far from reasonable when it its almost 26M to get to 50. That's almost 8 years of "content for ML". The paltry amount you get from Dyna, Sortie, and Omen don't even amount to anything more than a small drip that barely covers a single HP death when you get into the deeper levels.

It should go without saying that if it were content only, the rates would be higher and/or the amounts would be lower.

The rates and tnls are based on the fact that it's available at any time. It would be different.

These are two very contradictory statements and either way remain untrue to the fact that there is nothing "reasonable" about this. Well outside of botting it for ~10 days or however long that ends up taking.

Its painfully clear that SE doesn't want you to finish the grind for painfully obvious reasons.

Their job is to make the hours fun for us but they ran short of fun somewhere in 2021 or before I guess.

You think it is unreasonable because you can't have it today.

You are wrong. It's supposed to keep you subbed for another 6 months while they add nothing else.

I think they are on a more 2-5 year timeline now with current content.

Well, they did say they wanted to get to the 25th anniversary of the game.

you know sortie gives much points too yeah?

Sortie gives very little EP. Their mobs give 1/3rd the EP as Odyssey mobs do for the same level, and you kill far fewer of them.

that's only if u skip trash and only kill bosses.

Was noticing that the other day, it's a task shame.
For content released after master level, it's a real shame

Nothing about M50 is alluring enough to keep people subbed to the game for another 6 months. It'll either be botted all the way over the course of a month or two or not done at all.

It also certainly has little appeal to a casual player base and if anything would deter people from coming back.

Now if it was better tied to content, like a single Ody/Sortie run giving you 5 hrs worth of botting/grinding then people would be at least somewhat pleased with that. It'd still be locked behind time gated daily entry and extend the content they currently have well outside the requirements it'd take to finish getting gear upgraded.

We already have some pretty ridiculous grinds in the game between Sortie, Ody, and REMAs. There wasn't a need for another 300 hr exp grind on top of that. How many groups out there actually have every Ody piece R25? How many people actually have multiple jobs with 5/5 Empy +3 and +2 earrings for those same jobs? How many people actually have 6+ jobs geared with all the toys?

There is certainly a lot of content in this game and due to the nature of the job system and with a lot of gear being compressed from Ody and more wardrobes the amount of people in the game where they'd be sitting in town saying they have nothing to do once they hit M50 on one or two jobs is less than .01%.

They could cut this grind in half and it would still be absurd.

Also yea, sortie sucks for points especially compared to C farms. Even if you cleaved down as much as you possibly could it's still not a good rate, for either muffins or exp.

Like, joking aside from earlier post on this, isn't this what all the people who quit wanted? A long term grindfest of EXP? Yet none of them ever come back because of any excuse they come up with. SE just keeps catering to them for some reason, I don't understand it. Personally, I don't mind that we have a longterm grinding goal, part of me wishes we still had traditionally exp parties for it though but I guess with bots and stuff its gone mostly.

Roughly a month of 8 hour days at the rate I EP to get a job to 50.

That's one of the more grindy grinds that's ever ground imo.