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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2020-09-10 13:30:09
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Phoenix.Capuchin said: »
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Personally might only make Body + Hands (hands look very good for war and sam tp)

Uh... SAM isn't gonna give up "Hasso +4" JA Haste from AF+3 hands.

Good catch, puts you just under cap by a few %. Still gonna be good for my WAR.
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By geigei 2020-09-10 13:36:27
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What's up with the feather talk? wings too hard to spell?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-09-10 13:39:00
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The icon is a single feather. Same difference.



They seem to waffle a bit on "what qualifies as a wing" few feather icons called "wings"
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By Syn 2020-09-10 13:42:09
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soralin said: »
Feathers are possibly going to be more expensive.

So Id say absolutely at minimum, 3mil/stack will be the lowest wings will hit eventually, but it also will take longer to hit that.

I doubt that. Even if supply is lower, the demand sets the price. The cost of all of them has continued to fall week after week. I think you're right that it will take longer for these ones to slope off because of the reduced supply. But, there is a significantly lower number of augments and thus less chances for stupid or for gilcaps to play with.

All of them are headed sub 1m/stack. Scales have gone from 1.9 to 1.3 in about two weeks on Baha and hides, rightfully so, are getting close to matching that. I don't think a 10-15% discrepancy in drop is going to equal double the cost with half the number of augmentable items.

The UNM campaign is likely to spike it all at the beginning but after that its going to keep falling.

by the end of the year, I'm guessing all of the augments are going to be sub 10m.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2020-09-10 13:43:49
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Siren.Kyte said: »
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That's like posting a cure set for bard that somehow maxes out healing skill but neglects +Cure Potency.
Or posting dumb stuff like gaxe on builds and nageling for drk?

no, not really like that
Right clearly the gaxe is worse. Either way losing a little potency for skill aint that much of a trade off. Most of the stuff should be dead by then tbh once it lands anyway but this is just wave 3 stuff anyway so.

Great Axe is actually pretty good on DRK if you don't have Caladbolg, Liberator, and/or Anguta, and is a useful tool even if you do.


Can't say I understand why that oddly specific thing is even being brought up in this context
Was going off the stuff you posted about things that don't make sense like magic skill with no cute potency. But yea its more so for me at this point than anything. I like seeing gear sets from people and just change stuff where I think its better. Everyone says this set or this set is better but clearly most of it is personal choice. Gaxe aint even close to being most stuff for drk but ah still uses a semi bad spreadsheet so it is what it is.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2020-09-10 13:46:55
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Someone officially bought the first lustreless feathers (wings w/e)

Two actually did go up for 2m (i'm shocked) but he paid 4m for all the other stacks.

This is lower than I expected. Hides were 5M when it started.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-09-10 13:49:31
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Someone officially bought the first lustreless feathers (wings w/e)

Two actually did go up for 2m (i'm shocked) but he paid 4m for all the other stacks.

This is lower than I expected. Hides were 5M when it started.
Asura.Eiryl said: »
(they are mostly pretty jank augs)

While being generally lower quality pieces, there are less pieces, both attribute to lower starting price.

(still surprising, usually theres at least one idiot that pays 100m to be first to wear some piece of garbage cause it's new)
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By Asura.Geriond 2020-09-10 13:51:58
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Syn said: »
I don't think a 10-15% discrepancy in drop is going to equal double the cost with half the number of augmentable items.
The discrepancy seems to be significantly bigger than that. There's only 66% as many chests in C than B, and for those that are doing non-key method, izzat and NMs are much slower to kill, so less wings come per run.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2020-09-10 14:05:28
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Pantafernando said: »
I would say that, for anyone that use Ainias Collar, new Vim Torque could completely destroy it, but then you gonna need to deal with a drain of 50 HP/tick


Looks awesome for Jumps, but until the price comes down Im sticking with Anus Torque.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2020-09-10 14:06:23
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Those who farm to sell vs use personally will flock towards that with the most demand. Demand being a function of both the volume needed and the quality of augment. Had they not linked all three Sheols to the same entry timer, this might not be as pronounced as it will end up.

C has fewer total augments AND fewer "amazing" results when compared against A or B. So even if initial demand were high, it will fall off faster than for scales/hides.

Now I read above that there's 1/3 fewer chests in C than B, so even the results of a run will be fewer. So if you're farming for gil purposes, sticking to A and B simply makes sense.

After an initial bump (UNM campaign+new stuff craziness), I see these materials crashing much harder than the previous.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-09-10 14:21:30
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You know the pieces are bad when 14 hours after the update not a single new item sells, and then 100 stacks are on sale.

(items have since sold)
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By Taint 2020-09-10 14:49:14
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
You know the pieces are bad when 14 hours after the update not a single new item sells, and then 100 stacks are on sale.

(items have since sold)


A had rush out and get ASAP items
B had rush out and be first items
C has people head scratching
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By Pantafernando 2020-09-10 15:19:39
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Is the omelette a tanking food?

Personally i would still prefer the defensive stats from miso ramen
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By Asura.Botosi 2020-09-10 15:20:09
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I’m at the point where I have so many jobs/chars to gear I don’t even know what’s BiS for half the ***out there.

Nor do I really care because it’s all sidegrades and I can easily clear all content already.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2020-09-10 15:21:09
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Pantafernando said: »
Is the omelette a tanking food?

Personally i would still prefer the defensive stats from miso ramen

Its a good compromise if you want accuracy and defense. Otherwise Ramen is superior and even has MEVA.
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By Pantafernando 2020-09-10 15:21:41
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My inventory cant take more jobs but thats more a reason to have a all jobs or at least several jobs so so TP set and WS set.

Fit this category quite a few UNM gear like the Lugra earring, cohort, blistering, etc.
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By Asura.Mims 2020-09-10 15:28:40
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Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
. Gaxe aint even close to being most stuff for drk but ah still uses a semi bad spreadsheet so it is what it is.

I don't know what you are smoking, but Lycurgos Drk is REALLY good. As in, its still useful alongside multiple R15s.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2020-09-10 15:37:02
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Asura.Mims said: »
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. Gaxe aint even close to being most stuff for drk but ah still uses a semi bad spreadsheet so it is what it is.

I don't know what you are smoking, but Lycurgos Drk is REALLY good. As in, its still useful alongside multiple R15s.

-You pretty much have a 1000TP bonus as long as you have Drain 3 up. (5000+ max HP iirc)
-The accuracy is slightly above a Caladbolg (atleast it is for me)
-The Steel Cyclone Boost is pretty nice..
-Great Utility with Breaks.
-Able to self SC compression with weapon bash
-Nice boost to MACC
-Excellent for cleaving, the tp bonus makes the radius huge. I cleave Reisenjima with it.
-Has good options for Light and Dark based skillchains

It's a really nice tool to have, and if a DRK is coming back I really recommend picking one up.
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By Asura.Geriond 2020-09-10 16:03:11
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Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
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Is the omelette a tanking food?

Personally i would still prefer the defensive stats from miso ramen

Its a good compromise if you want accuracy and defense. Otherwise Ramen is superior and even has MEVA.
Omelette also has enmity, for when survival is no issue but keeping hate is.
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By Ruaumoko 2020-09-10 16:19:04
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Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
Asura.Mims said: »
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
. Gaxe aint even close to being most stuff for drk but ah still uses a semi bad spreadsheet so it is what it is.

I don't know what you are smoking, but Lycurgos Drk is REALLY good. As in, its still useful alongside multiple R15s.

-You pretty much have a 1000TP bonus as long as you have Drain 3 up. (5000+ max HP iirc)
-The accuracy is slightly above a Caladbolg (atleast it is for me)
-The Steel Cyclone Boost is pretty nice..
-Great Utility with Breaks.
-Able to self SC compression with weapon bash
-Nice boost to MACC
-Excellent for cleaving, the tp bonus makes the radius huge. I cleave Reisenjima with it.
-Has good options for Light and Dark based skillchains

It's a really nice tool to have, and if a DRK is coming back I really recommend picking one up.
Lycurgos is really useful. I always keep mine on me whenever on DRK.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-09-10 16:35:36
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Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
Asura.Mims said: »
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
. Gaxe aint even close to being most stuff for drk but ah still uses a semi bad spreadsheet so it is what it is.

I don't know what you are smoking, but Lycurgos Drk is REALLY good. As in, its still useful alongside multiple R15s.

-You pretty much have a 1000TP bonus as long as you have Drain 3 up. (5000+ max HP iirc)
-The accuracy is slightly above a Caladbolg (atleast it is for me)
-The Steel Cyclone Boost is pretty nice..
-Great Utility with Breaks.
-Able to self SC compression with weapon bash
-Nice boost to MACC
-Excellent for cleaving, the tp bonus makes the radius huge. I cleave Reisenjima with it.
-Has good options for Light and Dark based skillchains

It's a really nice tool to have, and if a DRK is coming back I really recommend picking one up.

Bonus points, Upheaval sets are almost identical to Torcleaver sets so no additional gear required.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Upheaval

Is really powerful with the Ambuscade GAXE. 1000 - 1250 (moonshade) TP Bonus puts it past Torcleaver fTP ranges though some is spread out on extra hits.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2020-09-10 17:01:40
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Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
Asura.Mims said: »
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
. Gaxe aint even close to being most stuff for drk but ah still uses a semi bad spreadsheet so it is what it is.

I don't know what you are smoking, but Lycurgos Drk is REALLY good. As in, its still useful alongside multiple R15s.

-You pretty much have a 1000TP bonus as long as you have Drain 3 up. (5000+ max HP iirc)
-The accuracy is slightly above a Caladbolg (atleast it is for me)
-The Steel Cyclone Boost is pretty nice..
-Great Utility with Breaks.
-Able to self SC compression with weapon bash
-Nice boost to MACC
-Excellent for cleaving, the tp bonus makes the radius huge. I cleave Reisenjima with it.
-Has good options for Light and Dark based skillchains

It's a really nice tool to have, and if a DRK is coming back I really recommend picking one up.
Again maybe its because I dont do low end content on Drk or DD in general that I dont think its great but ya. I dont see the value but again clearly people think different. Clearly im smoking the good stuff mims I cant see a thing I'd switch off for Gaxe or make a better weapon over this. Again I play this game different than others so idk. I dont go out looking to make sure "Good" either its top or not when it comes to DD. Sure I guess it low low stuff it would make sense with no buffs but I cant see it even being close to cala or other stuff. I'd rather nageling at the point over dropping more money on an axe thats just subpar. I've never been in a situation where I feel like my drk is bad enough to use ambu weapons. Macc is super meh because what would you use it on to need that? If im solo i rather apoc over Gaxes which shouldn't even be a shock to people. Well given fTP for torcleaver is 4.75 @1ktp idk how or what you looking at when you say its past it but sure I guess? If your basing this off HP then eveytr 5 mins its some what close to cala or any other Rema? I wanna see numbers before I even think of this as real. I'd rather a returning drk do a montante+1 over wasting gil on a weapon thats just ok for when drain 3 is over 2k for it to be worth.
Edit: Gonna save the thread rather just take it to drk forums this has nothing to do with update so lets move it over.
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By Asura.Topace 2020-09-10 17:52:19
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All that stupid torque need was HP plus and Meva for jobs that lack it and SE couldn’t do that. Instead def+45. I just know they are laughing.
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By Chyula 2020-09-10 17:55:47
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Asura.Topace said: »
All that stupid torque need was HP plus and Meva for jobs that lack it and SE couldn’t do that. Instead def+45. I just know they are laughing.

You don't even wear a shirt, why do you care? -.-
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2020-09-10 18:23:25
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Asura.Topace said: »
All that stupid torque need was HP plus and Meva for jobs that lack it and SE couldn’t do that. Instead def+45. I just know they are laughing.

60 Defense for a DT piece in the neck slot is really good. Also, probably not significant, but it's a good dual-purpose SIRD swap if you care for those kinds of things. It was already a really good piece for the neck anyways, this didn't make it worse. And had they gone the meva/HP route, they would have kinda screwed over RUN and possibly PLD JSE necks.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-09-10 19:13:18
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
it's probably HQ 2 and 3 of the regular egg sandwich

I'm pretty sure it is this. If you look at the stats of all 4, they are all the same with increased potency.

ETA: I had enough G lettuce on my cooking mule to do 2 synths this morning and both were NQ, giving me 6 regular Egg Sandwiches per synth.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-09-10 19:17:40
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Falkirk posted that they weren't (with screenshots)

Seemed like a slamdunk, was not.
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By Ozaii 2020-09-10 19:18:45
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Can use the royal omelettes in place of eggs maybe?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-09-10 19:20:48
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Also, I just want to say I'm so proud of you guys, as a whole.

The first update EVER!? Where the people didn't go full Rword on the "newest shiney item". First ever instance of self control in FFXI history.

I've been laughing about how stupid it is since forever to pay the premium, but looks like it only took 20 years to catch on. Carry that momentum forward!

19 Hours post-update and only TWO people have bought lustreless wings (122 stacks on sale)

I know that it sounds snarki, but legit, I'm actually befuddled. No matter how trashy, how poorly done, how expensive update items are, it's never held you back before. Why now?
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