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Draylo said: » I’ve said so many times that I am for reform, in whatever fashion it takes, and for addressing this issue. So one cop who doesn’t call out the action of another in a totally different precinct or even state, makes them bad too? You just don’t make sense Jetackuu said: » Draylo said: » Bahamut.Celebrindal said: » If I see one more goddamm person say "I know a good cop" I'm gonna snap. I know a really good meth dealer. Doesn't make meth good. And none of those cops y'all know who are "good" really are unless they're reporting on the bad members of their community and actively trying to improve community relations between LEO and civilians. You're not a good cop just because you've never had a problem, if you're just riding along with the Good Ol' Boys, you're just as bad as standing on someone's neck. Comparing people who risk their lives everyday to keep you safe, to meth. Lol... Right? Just because the cops justify shooting people because they say they were at risk doesn't mean they actually were at risk. Didn't the police union say that Floyd was a dangerous criminal and that's why three officers held him down and killed him, despite him clearly not being threatening?
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God damn guys. In the ten minutes since I quoted that to reply to it, there have been over a dozen posts. Do you all need a 1997 AOL chat room? I mean... really. Do you? It kind of seems like you do. This really looks like basically an instant messenger conversation or chat room. Take a step back and breath. You're not going to change someone's mind about anything as their opinions are already likely set in stone.
Breath. Also, Michelle Branch is bae. YouTube Video Placeholder
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Idiot Boy said: » Draylo said: » Every job will have bad apples, every single one, and you can’t be perfect at eliminating them Draylo said: » You make no sense when you condemn the whole group due to actions of few The issue is not that there are bad cops. (I mean, that's AN issue.) It's that between extremely strong police unions, qualified immunity, the difficulty of dealing with Monell liability, and other factors, actually getting bad cops to face consequences is exceedingly difficult. And all of those factors? Those aren't even step one. Getting people to testify against police, or even to properly report police misconduct, is a steep barrier, due to threat of retaliation. Absolutely everyone should be concerned about the power police forces in the United States have. Let's say 99% of cops are solid, good people, focused on doing their absolute best. In 2018, there were 686,665 full time law enforcement officers in the United States. That leaves almost seven thousand dirty cops. Does that seem like a good number to you? No which is why I said I am for reforms.
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We could be talking about that guy in DC who housed 70 protesters who were getting kettled into his residential block by the National Guard last night.
Draylo said: » I hope you never get robbed or need the police for anything. I really think all the cops should strike and let you haters defend your cities Call the cops when your house gets robbed and you get shot. Good riddance to them. Asura.Eiryl said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Are you assuming that every single person who was killed by a police officer was not committing a crime at the time of death? Not at all. Draylo said: » 1004 innocent people ? Does it matter? is theft grounds for death by shooting? How about drug sales? Speeding? When is it "ok" for a cop to kill someone. Even if you think it's ok AT ALL it's definitely not ok a thousand times a year. Or does that not compute? Draylo said: » I hope you never get robbed or need the police for anything. I really think all the cops should strike and let you haters defend your cities See, you say you're for reform, but as soon as anyone says anything critical of the police you resort to this absurd hypothetical. It's like the people that when you're critical of Trump being a fascist buffoon goes, "DO YOU LIKE SOCIALISM BECAUSE <THIS POLITICIAN THAT IS NOT IN ANY WAY A SOCIALIST> IS GOING TO SINGLE HANDLEDLY TURN AMERICA INTO A COMMUNIST STATE LIKE VENEZUELA IF YOU ELECT THEM EVEN ONCE" Asura.Kingnobody said: » What about attempted murder? Since most police shootings are responses to being fired upon in the first place. Or does that not compute? Cops need to stop immediately pulling their guns. If they draw first and get shot at, well that's their fault. You can't blame someone for shooting at you AFTER you pull a gun on them.
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Asura.Eiryl said: » Draylo said: » I hope you never get robbed or need the police for anything. I really think all the cops should strike and let you haters defend your cities Call the cops when your house gets robbed and you get shot. Good riddance to them. Fun fact: An Aussie woman called the police to report a crime and was killed for it, and it was the same exact police department as that killed Floyd.
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I honestly had no idea that there were this many cop haters here. The fact you lump every single cop in with a murderer is insane
Asura.Kingnobody said: » Asura.Eiryl said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Are you assuming that every single person who was killed by a police officer was not committing a crime at the time of death? Not at all. Draylo said: » 1004 innocent people ? Does it matter? is theft grounds for death by shooting? How about drug sales? Speeding? When is it "ok" for a cop to kill someone. Even if you think it's ok AT ALL it's definitely not ok a thousand times a year. Or does that not compute? That's what the cops claim. But we have proof that the cops are completely *** full of ***. So why should we consider that a fact? Prong said: » Jetackuu said: » Draylo said: » You act like cops kill people literally every day Draylo said: » Every job will have bad apples, every single one, and you can’t be perfect at eliminating them Draylo said: » How can you say all cops are bad if you don’t even know them or see the activism they’ve tried to change the situation? You make no sense when you condemn the whole group due to actions of few Easy as all cops protect the bad ones, ergo all cops are bad. We condemn the group due to the actions of the few AND the actions of the group. We have a police problem, that is something everyone agrees on except the bootlickers. It's not debatable. Rioting in the streets may not solve anything, but silently allowing it to continue just gets people killed, so. I agree with most of this but, if we were to judge entire groups for not condemning "the bad ones" then why do we not use this same logic with Muslims? Rarely do you see groups of Muslims publicly denounce the actions of their more extreme brethren, but then the same ideological groups now claiming "all cops are bad because they don't call out the bad ones" tend to be the same people in America who will demonize you for stereotyping all Muslims. Just looking for some consistency. Draylo said: » I hope you never get robbed or need the police for anything. I really think all the cops should strike and let you haters defend your cities But dude, your arguments tacitly allow for bad cops, rather than expect the best out of those we give so much. They literally have different rights than you and me, and you're upset that we expect more out of them? In the immortal words of Chris Rock: "Some jobs just can't have bad apples. American Airlines can't say 'we've got some great pilots here who just love landing, only a few bad apples who like to fly into mountains.'"
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Idiot Boy said: » Draylo said: » Every job will have bad apples, every single one, and you can’t be perfect at eliminating them Draylo said: » You make no sense when you condemn the whole group due to actions of few The issue is not that there are bad cops. (I mean, that's AN issue.) It's that between extremely strong police unions, qualified immunity, the difficulty of dealing with Monell liability, and other factors, actually getting bad cops to face consequences is exceedingly difficult. And all of those factors? Those aren't even step one. Getting people to testify against police, or even to properly report police misconduct, is a steep barrier, due to threat of retaliation. Absolutely everyone should be concerned about the power police forces in the United States have. Let's say 99% of cops are solid, good people, focused on doing their absolute best. In 2018, there were 686,665 full time law enforcement officers in the United States. That leaves almost seven thousand dirty cops. Does that seem like a good number to you? It really is a red-letter day.
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Draylo said: » I honestly had no idea that there were this many cop haters here. The fact you lump every single cop in with a murderer is insane The fact that you seem incapable of critical thought is insane. Even with the extremely generous hypothetical of only 1% of cops being bad, that's still 7k officers at any time being active. And we have ample evidence to show it's more than just 1% of cops that are shitty. I've literally linked you to multiple examples in the last few minutes, but you prefer your blinders.
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Asura.Ladyofhonor said: » Asura.Eiryl said: » Draylo said: » I hope you never get robbed or need the police for anything. I really think all the cops should strike and let you haters defend your cities Call the cops when your house gets robbed and you get shot. Good riddance to them. Fun fact: An Aussie woman called the police to report a crime and was killed for it, and it was the same exact police department as that killed Floyd. This is true...but there were no riots for it. Why? And that cop wasn't charged for ages. Chauvin was fired immediately and charged the next day, taken into custody which is at least a step in the right direction. No video.
And "straw that broke the camels back" as it were.
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Draylo said: » I honestly had no idea that there were this many cop haters here. The fact you lump every single cop in with a murderer is insane 
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kreek said: » Asura.Gnawclaw said: » kreek said: » The only way to achieve political change is through death. I find this point of view cynically naive, dangerous and short sighted when said with such absolute certainty. If you didn't mean it that way, then you can disregard the rest of what I'm saying. Just because political change through violence has happened successfully doesn't mean it's the only way. Even if you think it's the most effective tool to use, is it a tool worth using? It's great until it's used against the "the good people" and then were back in a room justifying to each other why "our way" was better. I don't know you and I'd rather not sit here and label you something you're not. I'm quoting you but I don't want to make it seem like a personal attack. Maybe it's too optimistic of me, especially right now, but I think we can be better than this. That's fair and I can understand where you're coming from with it. I typed out more but whatever it doesn't matter. I stand with the protesters and their message of change and reform. Full stop.
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Asura.Ladyofhonor said: » Draylo said: » I honestly had no idea that there were this many cop haters here. The fact you lump every single cop in with a murderer is insane The fact that you seem incapable of critical thought is insane. Even with the extremely generous hypothetical of only 1% of cops being bad, that's still 7k officers at any time being active. And we have ample evidence to show it's more than just 1% of cops that are shitty. I've literally linked you to multiple examples in the last few minutes, but you prefer your blinders. I don’t have blinders on, I said like 10 times now I am for reform. I simply take issue with lumping all cops together.
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Asura.Eiryl said: » No video. And "straw that broke the camels back" as it were. And the media coverage wasn't as intense because. Draylo said: » I hope you never get robbed or need the police for anything. I really think all the cops should strike and let you haters defend your cities You people are posting replies too quickly and my memes are getting buried!
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Asura.Aeonova said: » You people are posting replies too quickly and my memes are getting buried!
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Draylo said: » I honestly had no idea that there were this many cop haters here. The fact you lump every single cop in with a murderer is insane Draylo said: » simply take issue with lumping all cops together. The police, by and large, do this themselves, between using the full power of the union to defend bad cops, the thin blue line flags, etc. They present themselves as a unified front, but won't kick out the bad apples. That means they ARE all complicit.
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Saying all cops aren’t bad = bootlicking hard. You people are the ones that are unable to see reason
Jetackuu said: » Prong said: » Jetackuu said: » Draylo said: » You act like cops kill people literally every day Draylo said: » Every job will have bad apples, every single one, and you can’t be perfect at eliminating them Draylo said: » How can you say all cops are bad if you don’t even know them or see the activism they’ve tried to change the situation? You make no sense when you condemn the whole group due to actions of few Easy as all cops protect the bad ones, ergo all cops are bad. We condemn the group due to the actions of the few AND the actions of the group. We have a police problem, that is something everyone agrees on except the bootlickers. It's not debatable. Rioting in the streets may not solve anything, but silently allowing it to continue just gets people killed, so. I agree with most of this but, if we were to judge entire groups for not condemning "the bad ones" then why do we not use this same logic with Muslims? Rarely do you see groups of Muslims publicly denounce the actions of their more extreme brethren, but then the same ideological groups now claiming "all cops are bad because they don't call out the bad ones" tend to be the same people in America who will demonize you for stereotyping all Muslims. Just looking for some consistency. Wow, this is why we can't have nice things. A person can't even dare ask a question about a religion or they are bigoted? You have issues. It's a perfectly logical comparison unless you choose to ignore it for whatever reason. And I've seen many posts where people have mentioned one of "the" issues is police don't call out their own, which I agree with. I just don't see that logic applied universally.
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