Dem Dems Aiming At 2020
Dem Dems aiming at 2020
Meanwhile, Saevel takes shots at us everyday with impunity, constantly alleging our support of Jeffrey Epstein, as recently as a few days ago. Which is why I pointed out him pretending to be a victim is a joke. He is the only person here that posts in bad faith. While I welcome him saying he will be careful about not attacking us in bad faith, needless to say I'll believe it when I see it.
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
We've been having decent discussions lately, let's forget the last few pages and get back to it!
Well the remaining Candidates are all kinda bleh, shells for the Democrat leadership to pour agenda into. Anyone who would of stood for their own ideas and beliefs was ruled out and sabotaged early on. So what is there left to talk about? The fix is in so until the general election not much will be determined. By now those on the left gotta realize their votes don't matter, the DNC will choose who it wants to run as the candidate and then arrange for that person to win the nomination.
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I certainly do love Saevel attempting to play the victim, which I already pointed out. His own, censored, personal attack on Zero is what brought the admin in the first place.
https://apps.npr.org/liveblogs/20200211-new-hampshire/
Quote:
Bernie Sanders 25.7% 75,690
Pete Buttigieg 24.4% 71,999
Amy Klobuchar 19.8% 58,376
Elizabeth Warren 9.2% 27,181
Joe Biden 8.4% 24,800
Tom Steyer 3.6% 10,649
Pete Buttigieg 24.4% 71,999
Amy Klobuchar 19.8% 58,376
Elizabeth Warren 9.2% 27,181
Joe Biden 8.4% 24,800
Tom Steyer 3.6% 10,649
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
We've been having decent discussions lately, let's forget the last few pages and get back to it!
Its a three person race now, all capable of winning the Presidency, but Klobuchar would have the easiest path. She just needs to start investing in her ground game. Next primary is Feb 22 in Nevada, which leads to the question of why did Biden skip Nevada?
Garuda.Chanti said: »
https://apps.npr.org/liveblogs/20200211-new-hampshire/
Quote:
Bernie Sanders 25.7% 75,690
Pete Buttigieg 24.4% 71,999
Amy Klobuchar 19.8% 58,376
Elizabeth Warren 9.2% 27,181
Joe Biden 8.4% 24,800
Tom Steyer 3.6% 10,649
Pete Buttigieg 24.4% 71,999
Amy Klobuchar 19.8% 58,376
Elizabeth Warren 9.2% 27,181
Joe Biden 8.4% 24,800
Tom Steyer 3.6% 10,649
Looks like great turnout. Not sure what the numbers were in 2016 but I would be shocked if this year was lower.
Garuda.Chanti said: »
https://apps.npr.org/liveblogs/20200211-new-hampshire/
Quote:
Bernie Sanders 25.7% 75,690
Pete Buttigieg 24.4% 71,999
Amy Klobuchar 19.8% 58,376
Elizabeth Warren 9.2% 27,181
Joe Biden 8.4% 24,800
Tom Steyer 3.6% 10,649
Pete Buttigieg 24.4% 71,999
Amy Klobuchar 19.8% 58,376
Elizabeth Warren 9.2% 27,181
Joe Biden 8.4% 24,800
Tom Steyer 3.6% 10,649
I was figuring Warren vs Bernie but it's looking to be Bernie vs Buttigieg. Buttigieg just repeats whatever the DNC's line is on an issue, so basically "the squad" in a nice outfit. Bernie is a straight up genuine communist, so communist that he labels himself with (I) because the Democrat party is to capitalist for him.
Out of those two I respect Bernie more, just because he's honest with who and what he is. I disagree with every one of his ideas, but can at least respect the man for having them.
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Viciouss said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
https://apps.npr.org/liveblogs/20200211-new-hampshire/
Quote:
Bernie Sanders 25.7% 75,690
Pete Buttigieg 24.4% 71,999
Amy Klobuchar 19.8% 58,376
Elizabeth Warren 9.2% 27,181
Joe Biden 8.4% 24,800
Tom Steyer 3.6% 10,649
Pete Buttigieg 24.4% 71,999
Amy Klobuchar 19.8% 58,376
Elizabeth Warren 9.2% 27,181
Joe Biden 8.4% 24,800
Tom Steyer 3.6% 10,649
Looks like great turnout. Not sure what the numbers were in 2016 but I would be shocked if this year was lower.
Looks like about a 6% increase from 2016. Not hugely surprising given that there are more candidates to choose from this time around.
They’re not at what’s “expected” but Iowa and New Hampshire aren’t the best barometers for the sentiments of the rest of the country either. Nevada and South Carolina will give a more accurate glimpse into who the voters want as the front runner.
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kireek said: »
Cruz Missive said: »
I really shouldn't have to beat the "no personal attack" drum, but here it is.
Attack the horrible candidates all you like, but leave your fellow forum mutants alone.
Attack the horrible candidates all you like, but leave your fellow forum mutants alone.
If "personal attacks" are bannable then you should contact the person and ask what lead upto it, there is a lot of goading going on from a few people and reading though the thread you should see that very easily.
I tested this a few days ago where someone called me alt right (no issue with that person) and I pointed out that was a stupid label with no substance, then certain people here decided to call me it over and over purely to try to annoy me. It doesn't really bother me but it proves the point I'm making.
Viciouss is one of the worst for trying to get people banned tbqh.
They have always been against the rules. Enforcement depends on people finding a moderator/me, because there is no way I'm sifting through P+R threads all day, or telling anyone else to. I'm not that shitty a boss.
Also, this:
kireek said: »
Viciouss is one of the worst for trying to get people banned tbqh.
is ridiculous. Literally EVERYONE who has spent any amount of time in here (except Chanti, probably!) is guilty a thousand times over. "Worse" doesn't mean anything at that point.
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Assuming Warren and Biden are going to drop relatively soon if they don't get better performances, Sanders is going to benefit the most out of it.
Biden probably drops soon. I can't see Warren leaving before Super Tuesday no matter what happens. And she's still in third place, with a LOT of delegates left to go.
Everyone being so quick to bury her is puzzling.
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Viciouss said: »
Bernie is going to hold on to win NH, as expected. Buttigieg has to be thrilled with his showing, as well as Klobuchar. Yang dropped out. Warren I think will follow him within the next few weeks. But Klobuchar and Buttigieg will be there till the end.
I'd be on board a Buttigieg/Klobuchar team. I think together they would be very strong.
Terlet Sangria said: »
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Assuming Warren and Biden are going to drop relatively soon if they don't get better performances, Sanders is going to benefit the most out of it.
Biden probably drops soon. I can't see Warren leaving before Super Tuesday no matter what happens. And she's still in third place, with a LOT of delegates left to go.
Everyone being so quick to bury her is puzzling.
Bernie has completely stolen her votes. They are roughly the same candidate, competing for the same demographic, and she has not done well at all. Klobuchar is younger, more moderate, more likable for women to vote for.
Typing from phone so fatfingered submit before I was done.
Continuing, Biden has staked his entire campaign in Nevada and South Carolina. He is strong amongst minorities, whereas Bernie, Buttigieg, and Warren are not. Klobuchar is coming on in a hurry, and Biden has to be worried about that. Exit polls in NH showed a majority of voters made up their mind in the last 3 days leading up to the primary, which means that last debate actually mattered. And who did the best? Klobuchar. People can look at her and see a likable candidate with minimal negatives, pretty much no negatives.
Continuing, Biden has staked his entire campaign in Nevada and South Carolina. He is strong amongst minorities, whereas Bernie, Buttigieg, and Warren are not. Klobuchar is coming on in a hurry, and Biden has to be worried about that. Exit polls in NH showed a majority of voters made up their mind in the last 3 days leading up to the primary, which means that last debate actually mattered. And who did the best? Klobuchar. People can look at her and see a likable candidate with minimal negatives, pretty much no negatives.
Viciouss said: »
Typing from phone so fatfingered submit before I was done.
Continuing, Biden has staked his entire campaign in Nevada and South Carolina. He is strong amongst minorities, whereas Bernie, Buttigieg, and Warren are not. Klobuchar is coming on in a hurry, and Biden has to be worried about that. Exit polls in NH showed a majority of voters made up their mind in the last 3 days leading up to the primary, which means that last debate actually mattered. And who did the best? Klobuchar. People can look at her and see a likable candidate with minimal negatives, pretty much no negatives.
Continuing, Biden has staked his entire campaign in Nevada and South Carolina. He is strong amongst minorities, whereas Bernie, Buttigieg, and Warren are not. Klobuchar is coming on in a hurry, and Biden has to be worried about that. Exit polls in NH showed a majority of voters made up their mind in the last 3 days leading up to the primary, which means that last debate actually mattered. And who did the best? Klobuchar. People can look at her and see a likable candidate with minimal negatives, pretty much no negatives.
Certainly not no negatives. She’s getting pressed on her prosecutorial record by left-leaning media and her charisma stat isn’t the highest. She’s just done a good job lately of singling herself out as the sane person in a sea of crazy.
Every prosecutor ever gets pressed for the job they do, its a completely thankless job.
Viciouss said: »
Bernie has completely stolen her votes. They are roughly the same candidate
I keep hearing this, but it just seems so insane to me. Bernie is a full on socialist. Warren seems to want a more humane capitalism. There's so much daylight between those positions.
And really, if they WERE the same candidate, why wouldn't you vote for the one who 1) is younger 2) didn't just have a heart attack and 3) has actually accomplished something in Congress?
Like, if people want to talk about how Bernie moved the conversation forward on M4A and whatnot, fine. He did! Andrew Yang moved the conversation around UBI forward, is HE going to be president?
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I'd like to see Warren as candidate, but it'd be shocking if she lasts.
Zero knowledge of Kloubuchar or Buttigieg so can't weigh in there.
BIG nope to Biden and a close runner-up nope to Bernie.
TBH though, it's still all about Trump. IF he doesn't win regardless of the opposing candidate it'll be jaw-dropping.
Zero knowledge of Kloubuchar or Buttigieg so can't weigh in there.
BIG nope to Biden and a close runner-up nope to Bernie.
TBH though, it's still all about Trump. IF he doesn't win regardless of the opposing candidate it'll be jaw-dropping.
Terlet Sangria said: »
Viciouss said: »
Bernie has completely stolen her votes. They are roughly the same candidate
I keep hearing this, but it just seems so insane to me. Bernie is a full on socialist. Warren seems to want a more humane capitalism. There's so much daylight between those positions.
And really, if they WERE the same candidate, why wouldn't you vote for the one who 1) is younger 2) didn't just have a heart attack and 3) has actually accomplished something in Congress?
Like, if people want to talk about how Bernie moved the conversation forward on M4A and whatnot, fine. He did! Andrew Yang moved the conversation around UBI forward, is HE going to be president?
Legitimately spilled a drink on my desk laughing at this.
Terlet Sangria said: »
Viciouss said: »
Bernie has completely stolen her votes. They are roughly the same candidate
I keep hearing this, but it just seems so insane to me. Bernie is a full on socialist. Warren seems to want a more humane capitalism. There's so much daylight between those positions.
And really, if they WERE the same candidate, why wouldn't you vote for the one who 1) is younger 2) didn't just have a heart attack and 3) has actually accomplished something in Congress?
Like, if people want to talk about how Bernie moved the conversation forward on M4A and whatnot, fine. He did! Andrew Yang moved the conversation around UBI forward, is HE going to be president?
Focus more on my first sentence rather than my second. Bernie has stolen her votes. They are competing for the youth vote, and the youth like Bernie a lot more because he is a full on socialist that doesn't pander to anyone for votes. Bernie Sanders is pretty insane, but he isn't going to veer in a particular direction for votes.
If you are wondering why Warren isn't doing well its because she has done a poor job of pointing out the daylight between her and Sanders. She didn't do a lot at the last debate. Klobuchar was the one sticking out with the zingers. What is Warren running on that Sanders isn't?
She is also a lot crabbier than Sanders, and only slightly younger. Over 70 is too old to be President, we see how poorly Trump is doing physically and mentally.
She is also a lot crabbier than Sanders, and only slightly younger. Over 70 is too old to be President, we see how poorly Trump is doing physically and mentally.
Viciouss said: »
Terlet Sangria said: »
Viciouss said: »
Bernie has completely stolen her votes. They are roughly the same candidate
I keep hearing this, but it just seems so insane to me. Bernie is a full on socialist. Warren seems to want a more humane capitalism. There's so much daylight between those positions.
And really, if they WERE the same candidate, why wouldn't you vote for the one who 1) is younger 2) didn't just have a heart attack and 3) has actually accomplished something in Congress?
Like, if people want to talk about how Bernie moved the conversation forward on M4A and whatnot, fine. He did! Andrew Yang moved the conversation around UBI forward, is HE going to be president?
Focus more on my first sentence rather than my second. Bernie has stolen her votes. They are competing for the youth vote, and the youth like Bernie a lot more because he is a full on socialist that doesn't pander to anyone for votes. Bernie Sanders is pretty insane, but he isn't going to veer in a particular direction for votes.
Not sure if that was to me or Rooks, Vic, just clarifying that it was Rooks spoiler that got me.
Yang would make an awesome Cabinet Member. Especially if a “Secretary of Technology” was created.
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Shiva.Zerowone said: »
They’re not at what’s “expected” but Iowa and New Hampshire aren’t the best barometers for the sentiments of the rest of the country either. Nevada and South Carolina will give a more accurate glimpse into who the voters want as the front runner.
I do think Iowa is in a lot of trouble if it was thinking its gonna stay in the pole position, but while NH doesn't have the diverse demographic, I think they are gonns stay right where they are in the #1 primary slot. They relish that role, and they always have huge turnout regardless of the ticket.
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