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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-06-09 20:00:32
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Its about time KN stops attacking Reality this is clearly agaisnt the rules to harass someone.
She had it coming.

Damn weeboo.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-06-09 20:00:54
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*** Rooks, why did you take away that filter?????

Or is it waifu?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-06-09 20:01:36
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-06-09 21:32:58
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Asura.Saevel said: »
This is the same Comey who acting on known false Russian intelligence put at least two nails in queen Hillary's coffin?
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By Phoenix.Xantavia 2017-06-09 22:29:54
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Nausi said: »
Yeah, there was an exchange with about hoping also.

No one has ever been arrested for hoping either.
Nice business you have here. Hope nothing happens to it.

Can either be a genuine statement, or a threat depending on the tone of delivery.
 
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-06-10 00:01:18
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Phoenix.Xantavia said: »
Nausi said: »
Yeah, there was an exchange with about hoping also.

No one has ever been arrested for hoping either.
Nice business you have here. Hope nothing happens to it.

Can either be a genuine statement, or a threat depending on the tone of delivery.

Like thousands of other benign words and phrases in the English dictionary. It's a non-argument.
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By fonewear 2017-06-10 06:36:34
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Maybe we need Scooby Doo and the gang to solve this Russia thing !
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By eliroo 2017-06-10 07:28:43
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Phoenix.Xantavia said: »
Can either be a genuine statement, or a threat depending on the tone of delivery.

I've tried, their feeble minds can't comprehend anything anti-trump or anti-republican.
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By fonewear 2017-06-10 08:16:15
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What if Comey and Trump are both lying ? It is possible !
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-06-10 09:25:37
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
He just stated that he is willing to go under oath to testify what was really said in that meeting.
I'd be surprised if he actually did that.
It would be more surprising if he actually intended to tell the truth.
 
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-06-10 09:31:32
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Pleebo has specifically stated that Trump is under investigation, even with the people who would know specifically stated that he is not.
It's Comey's own testimony. Lol you're so bad at this.
You have access to the transcript, you can show us all where Comey specifically stated that Trump is under investigation.

I can show you where Comey said 3 times that he was not.
Past tense vs. present tense.

He wasn't then =/= he isn't now.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-06-10 09:45:58
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Pleebo has specifically stated that Trump is under investigation, even with the people who would know specifically stated that he is not.
It's Comey's own testimony. Lol you're so bad at this.
You have access to the transcript, you can show us all where Comey specifically stated that Trump is under investigation.

I can show you where Comey said 3 times that he was not.
Past tense vs. present tense.

He wasn't then =/= he isn't now.
You also have access to the transcript. You can show us all where Comey specifically stated that Trump is under investigation.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-06-10 11:05:25
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Didn't say he is.

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He wasn't then =/= he isn't now.
Doesn't mean he is now either.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-06-10 11:12:32
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The hate from the losers is immense here lately.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-06-10 11:13:35
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Didn't say he is.

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He wasn't then =/= he isn't now.
Doesn't mean he is now either.
Problem is, Pleeb's was very specific in saying that Comey stated that Trump is now under investigation.

Problem with Pleeb's reality is, Comey did not, and on no less than 3 occasion stated the opposite.
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By Nausi 2017-06-10 12:34:00
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FBI unable to find Comey's memos.
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-06-10 12:36:39
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fonewear said: »
Maybe we need Scooby Doo and the gang to solve this Russia thing !

and i'da got away with it too if it wasnt for you meddling liberals!
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-06-10 12:41:57
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-06-10 17:36:23
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Even Vanity Fair is tired of Hillary.

Can Hillary Clinton Please Go Quietly into the Night?
Clinton, who has grown increasingly public and vocal in recent weeks, appears ready to drive the bus again. But do we have to be the passengers?


There is a song for this.

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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2017-06-10 23:59:55
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By fonewear 2017-06-11 07:03:34
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See the problem with that is it on Facebook. Nothing on Facebook exists in reality. It exists to make Zuckerface money.
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By fonewear 2017-06-11 09:02:52
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Actually the discussions we have here are more interesting than on Facebook. At least here we actually discuss things. Facebook is mostly ranting and raving.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-06-11 09:16:08
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You forgot the advertisements Fone.
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By fonewear 2017-06-11 09:24:01
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Facebook is the worst type of advertiser selling your privacy to the highest bidder ! At least here the advertising is honest.
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By eliroo 2017-06-11 11:00:27
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By fonewear 2017-06-11 11:06:41
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James Comey should be a girl scout. All is he qualified to do is sell cookies.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-06-11 11:39:08
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Sanders Is Right. Russell Vought’s Nomination Should Be Rejected.
HuffPo. Opnion. By an Arab.

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While most of Washington was eagerly awaiting former FBI Director James Comey’s Thursday appearance before the Senate Intelligence Committee, they may have missed an important confirmation hearing that occurred a day earlier. On Wednesday, Russell Vought, President Trump’s nominee for Deputy Director of the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) appeared before the Senate Budget Committee where he was subjected to stiff questioning by Senator Bernie Sanders.

At issue were a number of statements Vought had made in support of Wheaton College’s decision, last year, to suspend and then fire a tenured African American professor, Larycia Hawkins. The reason: Wheaton College is a Christian school and Hawkins, who is Christian, not only donned a hijab in a gesture of solidarity with America’s Muslim community but then later declared that Christians and Muslims “worship the same God”.

In an article defending Wheaton’s action, Vought argued that Hawkins’ views were in err since “Muslims do not simply have a deficient theology, they do not know God because they have rejected Jesus Christ, His Son, and they stand condemned”.

At Vought’s confirmation hearing, Senator Sanders read the above quote and then asked the nominee, “Do you believe that statement is Islamophobic?”

Vought responded, “Absolutely not, Senator. I’m a Christian and I believe in a Christian set of principles based on my faith. That post [the one quoted by Sanders] ...was to defend my alma mater, Wheaton College, a Christian school...”

Sanders: “...Do you believe people in the Muslim religion stand condemned?”

Vought: “Again Senator, I’m a Christian and I wrote that piece in accordance with the statement of faith at Wheaton College.”

Sanders: “...What about Jews? Do they stand condemned too?”

Vought: “Senator, I’m a Christian...”

Sanders: “I understand that you are a Christian, but this country is made up of people who are not just [Christian]...there are other people of different religions in this country...In your judgment, do you think that people who are not Christian are going to be condemned?”

Vought: “...As a Christian, I believe that all individuals are made in the image of God and are worthy of dignity and respect regardless of their religious beliefs. I believe that as a Christian that’s how I should treat all individuals”.

Sanders: “You think that your statement...[that] they do not know God because they rejected Jesus Christ, His Son, and they stand condemned, do you think that’s respectful of other religions?”.

Sanders concluded his questioning saying, “I would simply say, Mr. Chairman, that this nominee is not really someone who this country is supposed to be about.”

Following this exchange, Sanders was attacked for what one National Review writer termed, a “disgraceful and unconstitutional line of questioning” and in a few more mainstream publications for “imposing a religious test for public office”.

I cannot agree with Sanders’ critics. He is right. Vought is not what America is “supposed to be about” and he is not fit to serve as Deputy Director of OMB for two important reasons.

In the first place, it is Vought, not Sanders who has used a religious test to support the firing of a tenured professor. His demonstrated intolerance is a disturbing trait for someone in public service. Vought may claim that all are “worthy of dignity and respect regardless of their religious beliefs”, but when it came to Professor Hawkins, a fellow Christian, Vought behaved quite differently, precisely because her description of her faith did not comport with his narrow interpretation of Christian theology.

Secondly, OMB is the office in the White House that not only helps the President develop his budget, it also advises agencies on how to implement their programs in accordance with the priorities set by the Administration. To have a Deputy Director of OMB who has not only expressed intolerance toward those who do not share his interpretation of his faith, but who has also demonstrated this intolerance in practice is worrisome. This behavior calls into question his ability to implement policies and disperse resources without prejudice.

One wonders if we would even be having this discussion if the nominee were a Christian who claimed, as some have, that their faith holds: that Jews are condemned because they rejected Jesus; or that Black people are the descendants of Noah’s son Ham marked by God for their sin; or that women are inferior to men; or that gays are condemned, etc? Of course, individuals have the right to hold such beliefs, but when seeking a position of public trust aren’t we entitled to know whether these beliefs will impact their judgments?

As the ACLU noted in its comment on this controversial nomination, “Religious freedom is such a fundamental liberty that the framers of our Constitution enshrined it in the First Amendment. That’s why it’s so disturbing that Trump continues to pack his administration with appointees like Russell Vought, whose views threaten that very freedom... We know that diversity is one of our nation’s greatest strengths, and it is vitally important that Americans have confidence that their public servants will serve our entire nation in good faith.”

Senator Sanders is right. At issue is not Vought’s Christian faith or his theology. It is his intolerance for the faiths of others, including a fellow Christian whose termination he supported because he did not agree with her theology. His nomination should be rejected.
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