~First And Final Line Of Defense V2.0~
~First and Final Line of Defense v2.0~
I love PLD but I guess I'll continue to use RUN.
I try and keep my sets from my profile updated, if anyone wants to take a look, as well as if you go back into my history you can find not only my sets but how I prioritize gear in gearswap to ensure I dont drop hp. I'm like 2 mobs away from the Aeonic shield I guess Ill just have to finish it then so I can see if its worth being my new offhand for R15 Burtgang hybrid set?
Reprisal will raise shield skill, that's of some value
Blanket defense increase on ilevel shields is nice too (Aegis/Ochain screwed again)
Neither of which really matters in the grand scheme, like I've said before you could go ahead and give complete immunity to a PLD and it still doesn't move the needle. But hey.
Blanket defense increase on ilevel shields is nice too (Aegis/Ochain screwed again)
Neither of which really matters in the grand scheme, like I've said before you could go ahead and give complete immunity to a PLD and it still doesn't move the needle. But hey.
I wonder what this means for Adapa Shield.
Christ. I was hoping they'd at least sneak in a few JA recast adjustments while they were at it.
While these are buffs to PLD, and of untested potency at the moment.... the mind boggles at the thought that SE might think this is addressing PLD's issues.
I can only hope SE doesn't think PLD is "fixed" now. EDIT: Well, time to nap till main is over.
While these are buffs to PLD, and of untested potency at the moment.... the mind boggles at the thought that SE might think this is addressing PLD's issues.
I can only hope SE doesn't think PLD is "fixed" now. EDIT: Well, time to nap till main is over.
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Cerberus.Dekar said: »
I wonder what this means for Adapa Shield.
WAR Shield Block got even better is what it means.
This was a dumb way of buffing PLD. I'm psyched for my WAR but dang I really wanted S/E to give people more reasons to bring out PLD vs RUN.
They could of tied the Reprisal buff directly to a PLD exclusive JT
I don't think that adapa shield will get any bonus of any kind (unless they mistakenly do it)
It's the spell that will give the bonus skill+
It's the spell that will give the bonus skill+
Asura.Eiryl said: »
I don't think that adapa shield will get any bonus of any kind (unless they mistakenly do it)
It's the spell that will give the bonus skill+
It's the spell that will give the bonus skill+
It gets extra Def now so that's something ............ I guess.
So, I mean, throw away your Ochain and break out that holy ***Priwen.
I can't wait to see how much damage it actually negates now. (any 119 shield for the matter)
I can't wait to see how much damage it actually negates now. (any 119 shield for the matter)
I mean keep em in the odd event that SE decides to actually give Aegis/Ochain i119 versions. But yeah Priwen and meva set time to do your best RUN impression
Well the thing is, if they don't rewrite the shield damage formula, are not all 119 shields now going to give 100% PDT (I mean that not literal 100% pdt but sufficient to zero out any melee attack)
While reducing the need to use actual pdt in gear slots.
Meaning Ochain got dunked on.
Have to wait to see what it actually looks like in practice. But I wonder the odds on a maint to adjust it is.
While reducing the need to use actual pdt in gear slots.
Meaning Ochain got dunked on.
Have to wait to see what it actually looks like in practice. But I wonder the odds on a maint to adjust it is.
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Well the thing is, if they don't rewrite the shield damage formula, are not all 119 shields now going to give 100% PDT (I mean that not literal 100% pdt but sufficient to zero out any melee attack)
While reducing the need to use actual pdt in gear slots.
Meaning Ochain got dunked on.
Have to wait to see what it actually looks like in practice. But I wonder the odds on a maint to adjust it is.
While reducing the need to use actual pdt in gear slots.
Meaning Ochain got dunked on.
Have to wait to see what it actually looks like in practice. But I wonder the odds on a maint to adjust it is.
We have the reprisal update to look at, but we have no idea how potent that's going to be.
Just as a point of reference, pre-update, Priwen had a non reprisal block rate of 10% or so on 139 mobs. Make it 30% with reprisal. Ochain has an 80%~ reprisal up block rate on those same mobs.
For the reprisal update to over turn this difference the skill+ is going to need to be HUGE. And that skill+ is going to benefit Ochain as well until it recapps. Also, there is a lot to be said for having 100% block rate, even if you don't 0 out all dmg on block hits. The stability and lack of spike dmg makes things much safer than mostly getting hit 0, then suddenly taking a full dmg WS when you don't block.
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Pandemonium.Zeto said: »
I mean keep em in the odd event that SE decides to actually give Aegis/Ochain i119 versions. But yeah Priwen and meva set time to do your best RUN impression
Asura.Arico said: »
Ochain for life.
I suspect an Aegis/Ochain update is next (given SE did make it a 'future task for the battle team'). In any case, these DEF values are A LOT higher than I expected.
Suppose its true it relies heavily on just how crazy the reprisal skill+ is (and subsequently how fast reprisal wears off due to increased block rate)
They really seem exceedingly unwilling to even consider touching A/O
They really seem exceedingly unwilling to even consider touching A/O
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Suppose its true it relies heavily on just how crazy the reprisal skill+ is (and subsequently how fast reprisal wears off due to increased block rate)
They really seem exceedingly unwilling to even consider touching A/O
They really seem exceedingly unwilling to even consider touching A/O
Not true. See: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/56445-February-2020-FINAL-FANTASY-XI-Digest?p=625023&viewfull=1#post625023
Or specifically:
Akihiko_Matsui;625023 said:
Regarding the possibility of making ILv119 versions of Aegis and Ochain, we can’t do this as our current policies on parameter values would make them too powerful. Also, if we were to do it, it’d require adjustments such as greatly lowering Aegis’s magic damage reduction, and we don’t believe that it’d be worth weakening them that much just to have them become ILv119. However, we understand that many of you have fond memories of these items, so making them ILv119 will be a future task for the battle team.
...but this part is REALLY strange given today's update.
Akihiko_Matsui;625023 said:
Srivatsa’s stats appear to be fine as it is. Increasing them even further would allow paladin to gain additional offensive strength while maintaining its defensive capabilities, which is something we don’t plan to do.
This update will at least give Aegis a slightly higher block rate cause hey, that's we end up using 90% of the time anyways on things that matter.
I really want to test my Srivatsa on ***that's under ilvl 145+ though
I really want to test my Srivatsa on ***that's under ilvl 145+ though
I do need to note that assuming Priwen's reprisal augment is unaltered, it should benefit from the skill+ more than any other shield. So the more significant the skill+ is, the farther ahead it will push priwen compared to other shields. And the faster it will catch up to Ochain.
Also, I think reprisal wearing from spikes dmg off will remain a minimal concern. The spikes tend to get resisted on high end content, and don't hit all that hard in the first place. The only time I ever see this being an issue is while mass cleaving mobs with Idris Malaise/acumen up.
Also, I think reprisal wearing from spikes dmg off will remain a minimal concern. The spikes tend to get resisted on high end content, and don't hit all that hard in the first place. The only time I ever see this being an issue is while mass cleaving mobs with Idris Malaise/acumen up.
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The reprisal skill+ appears to be a % based increase. Meaning the more skill you have the more it increases. Another FU to Aegis/ochain.
Gathering data now.
The reprisal skill+ appears to be a % based increase. Meaning the more skill you have the more it increases. Another FU to Aegis/ochain.
Gathering data now.
Protect bonus works as expected so far. 150 def shield+220 base protect= 370 def. Bonus applies to others as well.
EDIT: Hmm, actually I'm getting more def on the PLD... 407 gain vs 370 on others... needs more testing.
EDIT: Hmm, actually I'm getting more def on the PLD... 407 gain vs 370 on others... needs more testing.
so cast protectra party on PLD then switch job to something usefull?
Ragnarok.Martel said: »
EDIT: Hmm, actually I'm getting more def on the PLD... 407 gain vs 370 on others... needs more testing.
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Reprisal appears to be adding +15% skill now.
So, assuming that reprisal's block multiplier applies to this additional skill as well, we can expect a minimum of around +21% block rate even wearing shields with no skill+.
This should just overcap Ochain's block rate at 100% on 139 mobs with no additional skill or block+. I'll need to take some time to look at how this may affect other shields(Priwen especially)
And of course, there needs to be some actual testing to confirm that this works like I think it does.
So, assuming that reprisal's block multiplier applies to this additional skill as well, we can expect a minimum of around +21% block rate even wearing shields with no skill+.
This should just overcap Ochain's block rate at 100% on 139 mobs with no additional skill or block+. I'll need to take some time to look at how this may affect other shields(Priwen especially)
And of course, there needs to be some actual testing to confirm that this works like I think it does.
Code
+------------+----------+-------+----------+------------+---------+ | Reprisal | | | | | | +------------+----------+-------+----------+------------+---------+ | Base Skill | Reprisal | gains | %+ | block gain | R mod | +------------+----------+-------+----------+------------+---------+ | 440 | 506 | 66 | 0.15 | 14.19 | 21.285 | +------------+----------+-------+----------+------------+---------+ | 497 | 571 | 74 | 0.148893 | 15.91 | 23.865 | +------------+----------+-------+----------+------------+---------+ | 552 | 634 | 82 | 0.148551 | 17.63 | 26.445 | +------------+----------+-------+----------+------------+---------+ | 569 | 654 | 85 | 0.149385 | 18.275 | 27.4125 | +------------+----------+-------+----------+------------+---------+ | 626 | 719 | 93 | 0.148562 | 19.995 | 29.9925 | +------------+----------+-------+----------+------------+---------+
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Also, Protectra V can still overwrite PLD protect V. -_-;
my max block set went from 641 shield skill----->737 with srivatsa (this set has capped PDT as well) and yup it's 15% i tested it with 4 other shields
Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Also, Protectra V can still overwrite PLD protect V. -_-;
Ruaumoko said: »
Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Also, Protectra V can still overwrite PLD protect V. -_-;
Edit: Actually just tested on PLD. Casted with Shield on then with shield off and it allowed it to overwrite.
Which totally makes sense since you could overwrite WHM Pro(ra) even before the changes with a single target.
Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Also, Protectra V can still overwrite PLD protect V. -_-;
Does this include Monberaux's version?
I'm getting +405 defense for PLDprotect (without sheltered ring) +407, +418 with sheltered ring
Ruaumoko said: »
Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Also, Protectra V can still overwrite PLD protect V. -_-;
Avoiding potential idiot whms isn't a good reason to use SCH or RDM imo.
Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Reprisal appears to be adding +15% skill now.
So, assuming that reprisal's block multiplier applies to this additional skill as well, we can expect a minimum of around +21% block rate even wearing shields with no skill+.
This should just overcap Ochain's block rate at 100% on 139 mobs with no additional skill or block+. I'll need to take some time to look at how this may affect other shields(Priwen especially)
And of course, there needs to be some actual testing to confirm that this works like I think it does.
So, assuming that reprisal's block multiplier applies to this additional skill as well, we can expect a minimum of around +21% block rate even wearing shields with no skill+.
This should just overcap Ochain's block rate at 100% on 139 mobs with no additional skill or block+. I'll need to take some time to look at how this may affect other shields(Priwen especially)
And of course, there needs to be some actual testing to confirm that this works like I think it does.
Code
+------------+----------+-------+----------+------------+---------+ | Reprisal | | | | | | +------------+----------+-------+----------+------------+---------+ | Base Skill | Reprisal | gains | %+ | block gain | R mod | +------------+----------+-------+----------+------------+---------+ | 440 | 506 | 66 | 0.15 | 14.19 | 21.285 | +------------+----------+-------+----------+------------+---------+ | 497 | 571 | 74 | 0.148893 | 15.91 | 23.865 | +------------+----------+-------+----------+------------+---------+ | 552 | 634 | 82 | 0.148551 | 17.63 | 26.445 | +------------+----------+-------+----------+------------+---------+ | 569 | 654 | 85 | 0.149385 | 18.275 | 27.4125 | +------------+----------+-------+----------+------------+---------+ | 626 | 719 | 93 | 0.148562 | 19.995 | 29.9925 | +------------+----------+-------+----------+------------+---------+
So does that mean don't /toss ochain?
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