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Color Perception & Optical Illusion Topic
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-02-27 18:40:46
Either way I don't think this dress is ugly. Although it's not the kind of stuff I'd wear.
By Enuyasha 2015-02-27 18:42:20
I look at the original pic, and the one where she is wearing it...so where was I supposed to see white and gold? The original picture seemed to me blue with a dark beige frill, and the girl wearing it seemed to confirm so(though I'd confuse it for black there easily).
So...huh? I didn't understand any of this.
At least one of these should show white/gold to you and one is blue/black
the middle is the original and it will change depending on the person viewing it.
 Yea, this is what i was talking about. I saw the middle one first which my initial thought was "This is stupid its 'gold' and blue"
Then i looked at it again and saw the window in the back and went "Oh, overexposed black and blue" :<
As far as the perception part goes,
I see the vase first, someone else can see the faces first. I can also see the faces once i actually try to see the faces (But i cant see both at the same time).
This one is odd because i can never see the old woman even if im trying to see it, some people can never see the young woman.
Totes interesting. Theres other examples but id have to dig through my psychology book to find the examples i want.
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By Bismarck.Misao 2015-02-27 18:43:13
aaand this dress just showed up on my local news
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-02-27 18:43:50
Also, unlike you guys I don't feel fascinated from everyone seeing a different colour, I actually feel very upset. I'm very agitated right now.
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-02-27 18:44:39
I see blue and black regardless of the filter used. In the Amazon image Kali posted in the OP, I DO see white with gold, it's not as ugly in those colors.
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By Bismarck.Magnuss 2015-02-27 18:44:43
I see a tall man with a white hat and a midget!
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By Kalila 2015-02-27 18:45:22
This one is odd because i can never see the old woman even if im trying to see it, some people can never see the young woman.
Totes interesting. Theres other examples but id have to dig through my psychology book to find the examples i want. The chin of the young woman is the old woman's nose.
The young woman's necklace is the old woman's mouth.
the young woman's bottom left ear is the old woman's far inner corner of the eye.
The only thing that messes this up is the young woman's nose, making it look like the old woman has some fuzz or something at the top of her nose.
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-02-27 18:46:12
Also, unlike you guys I don't feel fascinated from everyone seeing a different colour, I actually feel very upset. I'm very agitated right now. Usually the color red does that, blue is supposed to be more of a relaxing color. That is why here in the states McDonald's is red and yellow, they are colors intended to make patrons feel anxious and in a hurry.
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By Kalila 2015-02-27 18:46:30
Also, unlike you guys I don't feel fascinated from everyone seeing a different colour, I actually feel very upset. I'm very agitated right now. Try spending 2 hours on a topic you find interesting about the human brain and then get 3-4 people bashing you for it.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-02-27 18:46:41
Also, unlike you guys I don't feel fascinated from everyone seeing a different colour, I actually feel very upset. I'm very agitated right now. Usually the color red does that, blue is supposed to be more of a relaxing color. That is why here in the states McDonald's is red and yellow, they are colors intended to make patrons feel anxious and in a hurry. That's not what I'm talking about.
By Kalila 2015-02-27 18:48:05
Also, unlike you guys I don't feel fascinated from everyone seeing a different colour, I actually feel very upset. I'm very agitated right now. Usually the color red does that, blue is supposed to be more of a relaxing color. That is why here in the states McDonald's is red and yellow, they are colors intended to make patrons feel anxious and in a hurry. That's not what I'm talking about. I didn't say it was.
By Jetackuu 2015-02-27 18:48:21
Also, unlike you guys I don't feel fascinated from everyone seeing a different colour, I actually feel very upset. I'm very agitated right now. Try spending 2 hours on a topic you find interesting about the human brain and then get 3-4 people bashing you for it. Who was "bashing" you?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-02-27 18:48:25
I quoted Kojo.
edit:..unless
Kali is Kojo confirmed.
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-02-27 18:48:48
Also, unlike you guys I don't feel fascinated from everyone seeing a different colour, I actually feel very upset. I'm very agitated right now. Try spending 2 hours on a topic you find interesting about the human brain and then get 3-4 people bashing you for it. I actually defended you for it, after my sister showed me last night I ended up skimming an article about it but it was late.
It seems more see it as white and gold than blue and black, according to a Buzzfeed poll.
EDIT: I do stand by my opinion that the blue and black look of the dress is ugly.
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-02-27 18:50:25
I quoted Kojo.
edit:..unless
Kali is Kojo confirmed. Kali said she saw it as white and gold, I see it as blue and black so that's not possible.
By Enuyasha 2015-02-27 18:50:48
Also, unlike you guys I don't feel fascinated from everyone seeing a different colour, I actually feel very upset. I'm very agitated right now. Try spending 2 hours on a topic you find interesting about the human brain and then get 3-4 people bashing you for it. I actually defended you for it, after my sister showed me last night I ended up skimming an article about it but it was late.
It seems more see it as white and gold than blue and black, according to a Buzzfeed poll. i read an IFLS article about it. They have a video of someone in PS sliding the color variances around to show how it got from one end to the other :<
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-02-27 18:51:04
If two souls reside in the same body, will the perceive things differently?
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-02-27 18:52:18
If two souls reside in the same body, will the perceive things differently? No, eye sight is the same.
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By Asura.Vyre 2015-02-27 18:52:24
This one is odd because i can never see the old woman even if im trying to see it, some people can never see the young woman.
Totes interesting. Theres other examples but id have to dig through my psychology book to find the examples i want. The chin of the young woman is the old woman's nose.
The young woman's necklace is the old woman's mouth.
the young woman's bottom left ear is the old woman's far inner corner of the eye.
The only thing that messes this up is the young woman's nose, making it look like the old woman has some fuzz or something at the top of her nose. It's a wart or mole on her nose :)
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By Kalila 2015-02-27 18:53:07
This one is odd because i can never see the old woman even if im trying to see it, some people can never see the young woman.
Totes interesting. Theres other examples but id have to dig through my psychology book to find the examples i want. The chin of the young woman is the old woman's nose.
The young woman's necklace is the old woman's mouth.
the young woman's bottom left ear is the old woman's far inner corner of the eye.
The only thing that messes this up is the young woman's nose, making it look like the old woman has some fuzz or something at the top of her nose. It's a wart or mole on her nose :) that works!
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-27 18:53:09
Most guys see it as blue and black, me, my brother, my dad. Women see it as white and gold. My mom, sister, and niece all saw it as white and gold. Most of the women I know have been seeing it as blue/black whereas most of the men have been seeing white/gold. And, yes, quite a lot of the men I know are gay, but the ones making the biggest noise about it are straight, so let's not go down some weird road with this.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-02-27 18:53:55
If two souls reside in the same body, will the perceive things differently? No, eye sight is the same. The different energy might alter the chemical balance, thus having a different level of hormones and synapses reactions, leading to different perceptions.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2015-02-27 18:54:28
I legitimately don't understand what the *** this ***is all about... how stupid do you have to be to not see the obvious.
Unless you're colorblind.
It's a yellow light, FFS. Have you all grown so accustomed to LED that you can't tell what color lightbulbs "used" to be.
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-02-27 18:54:57
Most guys see it as blue and black, me, my brother, my dad. Women see it as white and gold. My mom, sister, and niece all saw it as white and gold. Most of the women I know have been seeing it as blue/black whereas most of the men have been seeing white/gold. And, yes, quite a lot of the men I know are gay, but the ones making the biggest noise about it are straight, so let's not go down some weird road with this. It wasn't about a gay or straight thing so I agree, let's not go down this road.
By Kalila 2015-02-27 18:56:11
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »I legitimately don't understand what the *** this ***is all about... how stupid do you have to be to not see the obvious.
Unless you're colorblind. intelligence has nothing with what color you perceive.
It seems so easy that people kneejerk to "you must be stupid or colorblind", instead of actually thinking why they are seeing that color.
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-27 18:56:18
People have always been presented with the same information, and more likely than not, always taken something different from it.
Source doesn't really matter.
A better example, in truth, would be interpretations of texts.
of glaringly obvious symbols (like psychology symbols that Verda posted - I see both the chalice/vase and the faces at the same time, and always have)
Simply saying the dress is ugly, isn't bashing on you or your thread, but it is a perfect example of seeing the same information being perceived differently, but what stigma about the dress tells us is that it's not, nor has it ever been limited to, reading black and white, but also colors. More so that someone's taste in a color psychologically differs from the person next to us, or in this case, hundreds of miles away from each other, because we're talking about this over the internet.
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-02-27 18:57:25
If two souls reside in the same body, will the perceive things differently? No, eye sight is the same. The different energy might alter the chemical balance, thus having a different level of hormones and synapses reactions, leading to different perceptions. That's not how hormones work, if we're agreeing two souls are in one body. The body stays the same. Whoopie Goldberg doesn't become Patrick Swayze just because he possesses her.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2015-02-27 18:57:59
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »It's a yellow light, FFS. Have you all grown so accustomed to LED that you can't tell what color lightbulbs "used" to be.
By Bloodrose 2015-02-27 18:58:22
If two souls reside in the same body, will the perceive things differently? No, eye sight is the same. In the case of "two souls" inhabiting the same body, it would be easier to break it down by thoughts of Multiple Personality Disorder.
Two personalities existing in the same body can view the same thing rather differently, because perception isn't based entirely on sight, but based on psychological filters that process what we're seeing.
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Before I begin, let me apologize for the long length/spacing of the topic. This is on purpose.
I thought this was silly, I mean... I see gold and white of course (well, really I see gold and blue), but D sees blue with black. In the past we've had discussions about what a color is on FFXIAH concerning certain game icons, so I thought this might be a bit fun to try.
Let me know what you think. Do you see a Black/Blue dress? A Gold/White? or a Gold/Blue?
So... this is a silly thing going around the internet, and now news stations. Here is the picture:
What color is the dress?
This is the question that has made everyone stupid crazy, and fighting with each other in some cases.
Before you scroll down to the breakdown of what color the dress really is, I want you to take a good look at the above, and decide what you think. Is this a white dress with gold lace, or a blue dress with black lace? or... a blue dress with gold lace (this is what I see).
So....
The person who took this photo, also bought the dress for a wedding.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00SJEUCWU/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B00SJEUCWU&linkCode=as2&tag=bithedress-21&linkId=LIATY5TENJ7ORHXX
and here she is wearing it:
So, why does the photo at the wedding look different than the original photo taken that is making everyone argue whether or not the dress is white/gold, blue/gold, or blue/black?
Shadows and strong light behind it screwing with the camera. Cameras are not the same as eyes. The camera was overexposed.
What matters is whether or not you perceive the photo as overexposed in general or as having a deep shadow cast over the dress. Your brain will automatically correct for whichever one you believe, and you'll see either white/gold or blue/black.
So, what are the real colors of the photo? Is it really blue on black?
Let's pull out the RBG values...
There really isn't any black here, not a single pixel is black. The reason why some people don't see gold/white or gold/blue is because of how our brains work. Saying it again: "What matters is whether or not you perceive the photo as overexposed in general or as having a deep shadow cast over the dress. Your brain will automatically correct for whichever one you believe, and you'll see either white/gold or blue/black."
Even if you invert the photo (right side), it will not change whether you see a gold/white or black/blue dress.
Let's take the original amazon photo:
and let's replicate the overexposed shot ( white dress with gold lace. Cranking up the exposure, crushing the shadows, and increased the color temp will produce this:
Now, there is no trickery here. This is a what people see the white dress with gold lace as, and I don't think anyone can argue that. Otherwise... maybe it's your monitor...
This is what people see the original photo as the blue dress with black trim.
Now, why do our eyes work like this?
It's a matter of how your mind interprets the lighting. A white-and-gold dress in cool lighting/shadow could have produced that photo, as could a black-and-blue dress in warm yellow lighting. Your mind determines the colors of the dress based on what it assumes the lighting to be like.
The left side is a blue dress with black lace, the right side is a white dress with gold lace.
Let's brake these 4 sections out and separate them a bit so our eyes can distinguish between them.
I DID NOT EDIT THE IMAGE AT ALL, EXCEPT CROPPING AND SEPARATING THE 4 SECTIONS APART. I DID NOT EDIT THE COLOR VALUES AT ALL. THE RGB VALUES BELOW EACH SECTION ARE THE REAL COLORS FOR THE STRIPES ON THE DRESS.
Closest Color Name:
Gambogeish Black
Closest Color Name:
Moderate Phthalo Blue
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Grayish Gold
Closest Color Name:
Phthalo Bluish Gray
| | Closest Color Name:
Dark Grayish Gold
Closest Color Name:
Grayish Phthalo Blue
| | Closest Color Name:
Moderate gold
Closest Color Name:
Light Spring Budish Gray
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The main thing to take away here are the names of the two "golds" and the two "blues". The left gold is named "Grayish Gold" while the right is "Dark Grayish Gold", and the left blue is named "Phthalo Bluish Gray", while the right is "Grayish Phthalo Blue". They are very similar to each other, which why each of us sees the dress differently.
Let me do this with the original photo as well, but this time I'll remove the background and only show the dress itself.
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 | Average Color Name:
Dark Phthalo Bluish Gray
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 | Average Color Name:
Dark Sapphire Bluish Gray
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 | Average Color Name:
Dark Sapphire Bluish Gray
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 | Average Color Name:
Dark Grayish Amber
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 | Average Color Name:
Dark Grayish Gamboge
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 | Average Color Name:
Dark Sapphire Bluish Gray
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 | Average Color Name:
Reddish Brownish Gray
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I'm sorry for the long OP, but I just thought it was pretty cool. Yea, this is all because of a bad camera shot, but this sparked a color debate war on whether it was gold/white, or black/blue, and I just think that's pretty cool how the mind works.
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