The Last Dance II: The Show Must Go On

R15 *** and Regal Ring are not a realistic expectation for the crowd I am catering to

I ended up using Cell E211 on the 'Data' tab, labeled "Relic Bonus" and manually forced 150% here, as it mathed out correctly for the goal I was told I should be looking for.
Please share the proper way to handle this bonus and I'll adjust accordingly.

If you referencing Twashtar that I suggested, I meant AG Twashtar, not R15.

In theory this is correct way, but you have something wrong in your sheet then. I have my own sheet with ws damage, so I cna double check DNC sheet result and in my sheet im getting even more than 21k Im getting in DNC sheet, so that 16k in your is way off.

Make screenshots of whole WS set in "Gear", cells in "Data" around E211 and Evisceration details in weaponskill list (I have it in "Other Lists")

fTP for Evisceration in your sheet is wrong. You have 1.0 fTP per hit as base and it should 1.25 per hit as base. Show me your tab with weaponskills (In my DNC sheet it's in "Other Lists").

Yeah slightly. 10 25 50 is believed to be correct. Change those crits to correct values and ftp1 ftp2 and ftp3 to 1.25

At 2K we will have 18% critical rate.

Also this is only true with assumption that 0% is reached at 3k. It might be 0% at 1500 for example.

I thought you did 0-5% at 3kTP for total of 300 samples?

Hmmmm

Might try to dnc the next one we do for lulz..

What sub did you use?

Did you use any 1hrs? That should've been amazing to see

I understand what you mean and you're completely right, but you have to understand that casual players who show up to the forums, looking for info on a new job, they check a guide, or 'optimal set', and often imitate it without much more thought or research. They don't read all 50+ pages, or the back and forth discussions for context, or even the original testing/data/DPS sheets yada yada yada. 9 times out of 10 (complete hyperbole, I don't have a clue what the real percentage is) they check current 'Best in Slot' they farm/equip it, and depending on how serious they are about the job, it might end there.

For example, I mentioned above, the Dnc guide/forum are extremely active and up to date. If you go to the Dnc guide on BG here is what you will find:



How many people do you think skipped straight to this, and didn't read a word of the guide? I'll put my money on more than half. Sure it says "much more acc than usual" but what does that mean? Sushi instead of meat? Madrigals from a trust? Quickstep instead of Box?! Could be anything.

Maybe they skip to read about the actual dagger:

Centrovente:

This Dagger can potentially give the highest DPS in offhand when you go [TP Bonus +1000] and Pair it with Twashtar (Level 119 III) or Setan Kober B.
It will require a metric ton of accuracy in high end content and luckily Dancer has one of the highest Accuracy in game.
Good Luck getting it from Dagger Trials in Weaponskill Trials via Magian Moogle.

Okay, a 'metric ton' does a far more accurate job of describing what's needed to make this dagger work, but then it immediately follows with 'in high end content' which might give people the false idea that it can be used in 'regular content' easily. Regular and High End might be different for every person, as I already admitted, I believed Sinister Reign to be 'low end' and was wrong.

Immediately after that is says, 'luckily Dancer has one of the highest Accuracy in the game' again another false sense of security to the casual player/reader without more context.

Maybe they even went to the forums or searched for Dnc DPS and found this:


Again, very little context UNLESS they read the multiple pages before and after that chart, but we know how humans are... they rarely do/will. The search is simple "what's max dps" and they isolate the quickest, easiest answer that spells it out black and white, preferable in picture form and they obtain their instant gratification, say "that's what I'll get" and they start farming/grinding.

I am guilty of this action, I am not speaking down on anyone.

Additionally, I am not saying anything is wrong with the Dnc guide or trying to criticize it in any way, I want to be clear I'm pointing out the, dare I say flaws, of human nature, and the realistic expectation/outcome of what happens when people see numbers or discussions or sets involving Off hand TP bonus weapons.

I mean Hell, even in this thread, read the way the OP is discussing TP weapon as a no-brainer offhand to both melee jobs being discussed, and we're talking about purely solo situations where we damn well know he won't have the buffs to make it work. That's all Simon was trying to point out, and I just wanted to reiterate his point, as a person who was also ignorant enough to go fall into that same lazy trap.

For more feedback, please don't hesitate to share here, so we can make the guide better.