The Last Dance II: The Show Must Go On

@Shirai I can do that when I'm back in Berlin. I don't have my lolXI files here in the US and A. ;-(


Easy number. I could have put 900 in there and the WSD+4% claim would still be correct, because WSD+4% = 1.04 > 1 + 35 / 900 = 1.0389.

Augmenting stuff like Hagondes and Iuitl is like hell. It's already painful on "easy" sets like Otronif and Gendewith, but on stuff like Iuitl it's really insane >.>
You could literally throw there the money to fund a gil and still walk out unsatisfied >_____>


Thanks for all the replies <3

Looks like I should redo my atoyac from 30 acc 20 att to oat and crit.

I see... i might be wrong then, but i didn't think you can specify Haste I and Haste II in the Lua file, can you? I thought that, for all the matters, it understands Haste as a single buff, regardless if I or II.

I think the one thing that bothers me about the highend tp sets in the guide is that it fails to give guidance on incremental alternatives, namely the body slot.
If you look at all the sets so far, out of all our reforge only the horos tiara and feet make an appearance. Feels a bit weird, I think stuff like horos+1 body is pretty great and something everyone should make.
Listing alternatives in a heirarchy format per slot would work pretty well.

Guide doesnt have a step/flourish set (yeah we have 99% physical acc, but I still think its cool to have a stacked acc set for this on really hard content where you might not be capping hitrate)

Back to body selections, Thaumas wins on paper but its very easy to be tanking incursion megaboss or pop NMs and you are better off wearing dt iuitl body, qaaxo, horos+1 body or something of that nature instead so you don't like die or be an mp sponge, or panic and hit fandance and take a dps hit anyways.
Last time I tried to use thaumas body in a tp set I almost got myself killed (cowll hippogriff with fantod up hits for 800+, backheel for 1k+), also shiva rush or predator claws can kill you,etc.

I agree that Thaumas is too much of a liability these days, and I do also use a step/flourish set.

I'm kinda full timing emet harness. Is that bad?

Between climatic flourish and reverse flourish its steps build tp to 1750 climatic flourish rudra (insane damage) , steps build tp rudra reverse flourish rudra skillchain then repeat.

I think dancer is more powerful then thief. Is there a surge in dancer users now or the job is too complicated for some.

Emet harness is pretty good (if i stopped getting golem shards and garbage isntead of the body drop i'd use it myself)
Its a solid -dt piece and its common to end up tanking these days just being a dd so that body with +enmity and accuracy for harder stuff just embraces that role.

If you just do a /sea thf all and /sea dnc all, you'll see that THF is roughly 5x more (on my server at least).

I personally think DNC is a more interesting job to play, its very much a samurai in frilly clothing with daggers because you can self skillchain easily without a specific subjob.
Also our SP abilities allow us to crank out extra long skillchains just like a samurai.

Sabredance and Fandance are similar to Hasso/Seigan in a way if you wanna stretch analogies. I always thought people that liked samurai would find dancer an appealing job to play because it has 'stances' and good self skillchain ability.

Dancer solos better than thf, so it has some appeal to people there.
Its also a job that can swap from dd to tank+waltz spam to save the day when things go bad, healer disconnects or dies, etc.
The main draw of the job is diversity and adaptability, if people just want to focus on only a damage role then THF tends to be more appealing.

Random things that most people don't know about dancer:

-Dancer has the highest skillchain bonus trait in the game (Skillchain bonus V which is +23%, samurai only has IV which is 16%).
Dancer can hit the 50% sc bonus cap with maxixi tights+1, charis+2 hands and mujin band, rendering allies roll useless (not that you'd really use charis hands in a sc closing ws set, but Empy reforge hands are going to be amazing for ws'ing+sc closing I hope)

-Dancer has the highest tactical parry trait
(Ninjas even known for their cool parry JA 'Issekigan' is one tier lower in terms of tp gain per parry).
This again is a nod to the tanking role of dancer, closed position, and why horos toeshoes are awesome (and why you should always face your target like those overwhelm samurais and not stand behind the target like a thf)

Yea and I also waltz 3 for 700 hp while stilling missing like 20 waltz potency. I can also tank normal skcm chapter fights. Samurai is fun and all but when you talking big numbers. Even doing Kaggen is fun. Use dusty wing climactic flourish rudra. Oh another wing ready for use.rudra use dusty wing rudra.

Upon running numbers for DNC/WAR and single wielding, during situations where you have capped magic haste and are using samba; single wielding (vs DW) is advantageous by about 18% which is significant.

Is this case with any "decent" 119 Dagger or Terp only? IIRC this was also the case at 75 with Terp only though back then? I'm presuming its any now though since updates to /war and RS etc...

I get that single wielding is a 5% DPS boost with Terpsichore if spamming Rudra's Storm (with AM3). However, Pyrrhic Kleos spamming with DW at 1000 TP is still stronger.

I ran my numbers with no Terpsochore (since I and most dont have), meaning AM3 is less weighted (since less hits to next WS). That could be the difference. Did you account for ftp bonus(+20) and crit(+5%) AND +2 stp on shield also?

Basically the numbers I ran were using RS at 200 tp for DW and 180 for SW (with fencer RS should be the same damage at those values)

I used a modified version of Motenten's spreadsheet and ran it at 1600 TP with Rudra's Storm, which I find is the optimal WS point (1600 + 250 + 200). There is a benefit to WSing less often (less WS delay).

My version also accounts for JA delay associated with flourishes, JA uses, etc.

If you're already using Rudra's, then single wielding might be the best option at the delay cap.

Happy New Year, everyone! \o/

Changes to "To-do list":

Changes to "Support Jobs":

No probs!
I'll see when you get back home, and happy new year!

(Apologies for the off-topic.)

Last time I checked, I'm fairly certain Zanshin doesn't proc on DW or H2H. It'll work on H2H if you offhand a shield or something silly so you only hit once. I tested this a few years ago in Abyssea after a ls friend told me it didn't work for DW, so maybe it was changed since then. It's pretty easy to test with PW's atma and DWing all-job weapons that jobs don't have any native skill in.

Pretty sure that's true as well.

Zanshin is restricted to proccing on attack rounds with 1 swing that missed/dodged/parried/countered/guarded/blocked or was absorbed by a shadow.

Great work Skudo! As a currently infrequent player I've found the original thread particularly useful, so it's great to see a significant update :)

One small piece of feedback; you're missing a 0 from all the waltz TP costs ^^

Fixed.

(That's why I shouldn't write things on trips without any chance to verify it.)


Fixed, too.

Speaking of Waltz, i would like to submit my set:

ItemSet 332136

It's capped on + 50% potency and filled with CHR+ instead of VIT so it can be more effective on any target regardless of their VIT.

I have 6 job points on Waltz Potency so far, being able to cure around 900h with Curing Waltz III.

There is one piece that increases Waltz that i'm not using, which is Alruna's Gloves +1 Slither Gloves +1. As much as i could use to liberate another slot for CHR / VIT (since i'm capped at 50%), no other piece of gear would stand up for the loss of CHR / VIT from Horos Bangles +1, so i keep Alruna's Gloves +1 Slither Gloves +1 for when i'm subbing DNC and can't use DNC exclusive pieces with Waltz Potency such as Head / Body / Feet / Back.

Anyway, under risk of missing something, i would like you to analyze / suggest improvements to this set.

For Waltz <= 3 and HW:
ItemSet 327781

For Waltz >3 and DW:
ItemSet 332138

And again i changed the names... it's not Alruna's, it's Slither... already edited

Has anyone done number crunching (in the post Rudra buff world) for when using SC Bonus gear is worth it, if ever? What's the difference between the SC bonus options and the "standard" Rudra's sets? I'm guessing it's not worth bothering with at low TP, but what about closing with a 3000TP Rudra (and/or Climactic Flourish)?

For that matter, is Mujin Band (+5%, right?) potentially worth it? Especially comparing to something like an NQ Ramuh for those who might not have the pricey +1.

And are we sure how Charis+2 hands compare to ilevel options? 10% is a lot of SC bonus, and they at least get DEX+9 as well. Compared to something like Nom+1, there's a big loss of STR (+14) and DEX (+25), but making up as best you can in other slots with potentially a 50% SC Bonus 3000tp CF+Rudra sounds like it might be at least worth looking at numbers before an outright dismissal.

Obviously you're gonna run a risk of significantly worse WS numbers if someone interrupts your SC, but if you're confident you can hit SC it's an intriguing thought...

Great Job on remaking the Dancer guide. Was looking through the tp sets and was wondering why the hq-tp(0) and hq-tp (15)(aka I want to be the very best) sets aren't gear haste capped? Sorry if I'm missing something. Was just curious.

Brainfart. Or: Ionis. But that's moot now, because new gear section on the way.

Ah okay. And looking forward to it.

Gear sets. Many of them. Ogawd, my brain. So mushy.

The bad part: I still need to create another bunch of gear sets...