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By Siren.Flavin 2013-10-02 16:08:56
lol. How's that kool aid guys? Obama is obviously willing to accept pieces of funding via individual resolutions. He passed one for the military before the circus actually started. We all know that if this was Boehner on the block instead of Reid, you would be lauding the "gusto" of the reporters. Emotional manipulation? Dishonest reporting? All the woman did was ask a question. Flavin, you do realize the recent tradition (since dems took over in 2007) of funding via "continuing resolution" isn't exactly "turning on" the government either right? Nice double standard there. The kool aid tastes good... Cherry today... You're so blind to what is actually happening Nausi... besides that when anyone disagrees with you they're automatically now a super libtard that is enchanted with allah Obama draining the koolaid of sustenance from his teets... lol...
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-10-02 16:21:38
This angle is pretty low, dude. Even for you.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2013-10-02 16:41:08
Nausi does have a point, you know.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-10-02 16:42:31
The point being Obama is accepting nothing less than a clean CR?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2013-10-02 16:43:02
If Boehner wants to save the kids, he could have done so 3 days ago. Open the gov't Boehner, you have the votes. You had them on Sunday, you have them now. Do it for the kids.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-10-02 16:43:11
Everyone put on your tinfoil hat and get some popcorn, this is going to be good....
Nausi does have a point, you know.
continue...
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-10-02 16:49:51
The national parks were part of the piecemeal appropriations. The national parks are not essential, but they are visible. Infer what you will from that.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2013-10-02 16:54:50
The piecemeal appropriations are dead. Boehner doesn't get to choose what he wants to open and what he doesn't, which is exactly what those appropriations were. If you asked him when he planned on opening all of the things he left off, he would tell you a lie that would really mean "never." His own party wants him to open the entire gov't, whats taking so long?
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2013-10-02 16:58:45
I agree, why would you pass the NIH?
The biggest thing that ticks me off about this is that all the civil stuff is being shut down, but very little military-related is being shut down.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-10-02 16:59:16
The piecemeal appropriations are dead. Boehner doesn't get to choose what he wants to open and what he doesn't, which is exactly what those appropriations were. If you asked him when he planned on opening all of the things he left off, he would tell you a lie that would really mean "never." His own party wants him to open the entire gov't, whats taking so long?
Because the helium filled tea party caucus have him by the balls and want to watch the world burn because they think they will be the kings of the ashes.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-10-02 17:01:54
The national parks were part of the piecemeal appropriations. The national parks are not essential, but they are visible. Infer what you will from that.
Its most likely a PR response to the veterans breaking past the barricades of the WWII memorial with congressional staff help.
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By Siren.Mosin 2013-10-02 17:06:59
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »The biggest thing that ticks me off about this is that all the civil stuff is being shut down, but very little military-related is being shut down.
that's a good point.
if the tea party was sane, & serious about cutting spending, this would be the first place to start.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-10-02 17:09:43
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »The biggest thing that ticks me off about this is that all the civil stuff is being shut down, but very little military-related is being shut down.
that's a good point.
if the tea party was sane, & serious about cutting spending, this would be the first place to start.
When you've built your political party on the idea that people are leeching off the government, which is evil and wants to take your guns, that you need to protect the children from terrorists, gays, and abortionists... Kinda hard to cut defense spending that your terrified stupid constituents depend on to feel safe in their trailers.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2013-10-02 17:12:24
On the bright side, the St. Louis arch is closed, saving tourists the horrible experience of ascending it. Trust me, the view is much better from the ground.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2013-10-02 17:20:22
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »I agree, why would you pass the NIH?
The biggest thing that ticks me off about this is that all the civil stuff is being shut down, but very little military-related is being shut down. Somewhere around 400k civilian employees are being furloughed, no? But if you mean in terms of projects, that might be a different story.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-10-02 17:24:50
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »I agree, why would you pass the NIH?
The biggest thing that ticks me off about this is that all the civil stuff is being shut down, but very little military-related is being shut down. Somewhere around 400k civilian employees are being furloughed, no? But if you mean in terms of projects, that might be a different story.
The ones being furloughed aren't even the worst of it. 80% of the government workers will continue to work... But most will not receive a paycheck until the government reopens. How messed up is it to be expected to show up for work but not be paid?
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-10-02 17:26:54
Well, it's not a common thing, and while you might not expect it, it is an inherent risk of working for the federal government.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2013-10-02 17:35:20
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »I agree, why would you pass the NIH?
The biggest thing that ticks me off about this is that all the civil stuff is being shut down, but very little military-related is being shut down. Somewhere around 400k civilian employees are being furloughed, no? But if you mean in terms of projects, that might be a different story.
The ones being furloughed aren't even the worst of it. 80% of the government workers will continue to work... But most will not receive a paycheck until the government reopens. How messed up is it to be expected to show up for work but not be paid?
Probably similar to when you work more than 40 hours a week, but don't have any overtime? :P
Except in this case, they will be paid retroactively. Unfortunately, that won't help those that don't have enough saving in place to be comfortable for a month or two.
By Enuyasha 2013-10-02 17:49:24
Just to clearify about "Military-related" activity, you are only safe if you are on active duty orders or overseas :<
My dad is an enlisted first sergeant in the Air Force and was furloughed because his services are "Non-essential". Happened during "The Sequester" too. :<
So while Military-Related operations are still going on they are only being run by people who have sold their families into Witness active-transportation-constantly Protection service :< anyway :<
So just to put that in conservy-***-obama-and-liberals speak "He was a desk jocky and got layed off while the *** guiz are still running things."
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2013-10-02 18:02:18
Well, it's not a common thing, and while you might not expect it, it is an inherent risk of working for the federal government. Having been stiffed on a paycheck before as a company went bankrupt, it is an inherent risk of working, period.
The likelyhood of the US federal government not making good on payments (default, bankruptcy) is significantly lower than pretty much every private or public corporation, especially when viewed over longer timespans.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-10-02 18:21:19
Well, it's not a common thing, and while you might not expect it, it is an inherent risk of working for the federal government. Having been stiffed on a paycheck before as a company went bankrupt, it is an inherent risk of working, period.
The likelyhood of the US federal government not making good on payments (default, bankruptcy) is significantly lower than pretty much every private or public corporation, especially when viewed over longer timespans.
Absolutely true, the likelihood of them not being repaid is basically nill. It still sucks to be burning through your savings to pay for gas and living expenses while going to work as the result of a political sideshow with no clear rationale or benefit.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-10-02 18:29:13
Incoming magic trick. Watch Ted Cruz rise from the ashes of the funeral pyre that liberals think they lit for him. It will be amusing watching the House pass individual budget items, "clean" bills, one by one out of the House funding individual departments of the government. Then watching the Senate Democrats vote down individual budget items, will be even more amusing. The torn hippy watching House Republicans fund national parks then watching the Senate Democrats voting against it; where oh where we they eat their granola.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2013-10-02 18:35:00
Yep that is going to be funny, Boehner continuing to waste time despite being able to open the entire gov't.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-10-02 18:40:55
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »It will be amusing watching the House pass individual budget items, "clean" bills, one by one out of the House funding individual departments of the government. Then watching the Senate Democrats vote down individual budget items, will be even more amusing. The torn hippy watching House Republicans fund national parks then watching the Senate Democrats voting against it; where oh where we they eat their granola. Yeah... no one is really buying that narrative except for the Tea Party howler monkeys.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Incoming magic trick. Watch Ted Cruz rise from the ashes of the funeral pyre that liberals think they lit for him. Reminded me of this, lol:
President Cruz Fondly Recalls 21-Hour Speech That Started It All
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-10-02 18:41:30
Yep that is going to be funny, Boehner continuing to waste time despite being able to open the entire gov't.
Both sides shut the government down. They agreed to shut the government down when neither side agreed on the budget, The Democrats the Republicans and President Obama. They understood the consequences of no deal and all chose it. You just choose to exonerate the Democrats, but inside you know you are being dishonest.
Why would the Senate vote down these bills? They want a "clean" bill they said. What's cleaner than a bill that funds a specific department? I like the thought of that process a lot actually and I wish it would be something they would always adopt going forward. Everything clean and open, nothing hidden, no deals. Up or down. They got the time to do it. They take enough vacations.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-10-02 18:44:38
Idk pleeb. The whole world, the American public, people that don't care about politics but just want some of their treasured government programs running will get to see the Democrats vote down clean bills that did only one thing, fund them no strings attached. I don't think the optics are good for them on that tbh.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-10-02 18:47:14
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Idk pleeb. The whole world, the American public, people that don't care about politics but just want some of their treasured government programs running will get to see the Democrats vote down clean bills that did only one thing, fund them no strings attached. I don't think the optics are good for them on that tbh.
Don't fool yourself into thinking that the American public is either a pseudo-informed teabagger or doesn't care about politics.
People see what's going on, the minority that agree with what the house republicans are doing are very few and far between.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2013-10-02 18:48:54
No I'm not being dishonest at all, the Tea Party wants to defund Obama's signature legislation, obviously that isn't going to happen, so they pressured the weak Speaker to shut down the gov't until they got their way. The Senate passed the budget to fund the entire gov't, its sitting on Boehner's desk, the moderate House Republicans want him to put it to a vote as do the Senate Republicans, yet he refuses. He doesn't get to decide what he funds and what he doesn't, open the government back up Boehner.
Edit- No one is going to see the Senate vote down anything, its not even making the floor.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-10-02 18:57:19
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Idk pleeb. The whole world, the American public, people that don't care about politics but just want some of their treasured government programs running will get to see the Democrats vote down clean bills that did only one thing, fund them no strings attached. I don't think the optics are good for them on that tbh.
Don't fool yourself into thinking that the American public is either a pseudo-informed teabagger or doesn't care about politics.
People see what's going on, the minority that agree with what the house republicans are doing are very few and far between.
Nope they sure are told that a lot though.
Be honest now though, why should the Senate when they receive a clean bill tomorrow that does one thing, funds the national parks, why would they turn it down? Why would they turn down a clean bill that does one thing, funds the National Institutes of Health? I mentioned that one because Senator Reid was already drilled by a CNN reporter no less on why he would not fund that on a clean bill. It looks terrible and partisan for the Democrats to refuse them.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-10-02 19:01:28
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Idk pleeb. The whole world, the American public, people that don't care about politics but just want some of their treasured government programs running will get to see the Democrats vote down clean bills that did only one thing, fund them no strings attached. I don't think the optics are good for them on that tbh.
Don't fool yourself into thinking that the American public is either a pseudo-informed teabagger or doesn't care about politics.
People see what's going on, the minority that agree with what the house republicans are doing are very few and far between.
Nope they sure are told that a lot though.
Be honest now though, why should the Senate when they receive a clean bill tomorrow that does one thing, funds the national parks, why would they turn it down? Why would they turn down a clean bill that does one thing, funds the National Institutes of Health? I mentioned that one because Senator Reid was already drilled by a CNN reporter no less on why he would not fund that on a clean bill. It looks terrible and partisan for the Democrats to refuse them.
Because it is not up to the tea party to determine which portions of the government they want to fund in this manner. Budgets are voted on by the entirety of the congress as a package, not via individual emergency appropriations and filibuster.
They tried dozens of times to get their legislation passed and failed. This tactic is a clear manipulation of a crisis to accomplish political motives that they CANNOT accomplish legitimately. Even the rank and file republicans are losing patience with their antics. I can't wait to see how badly they get creamed in the next elections.
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Some people just like to watch the world burn...
I am one of them... So excuse my while I perform the end zone touchdown dance of my people.
/dances like an old white guy at a wedding
Happy Shut Down Day Everybody!!! Enjoy trying to figure out what impact not having a government will have on your miserable lives. Muhahahahahahahaha! Tell 'em chuck!
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Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
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