Shut 'em Down!

Until a cable provider actually stops carrying conservative channels because they are conservative, cries about the "liberal media" will continue to be a defeatist excuse. It's not Obamas fault that people think Jon Stewart is funny and entertaining and rush Limbaugh isn't.

Conservatives have a pretty good stranglehold on radio as well.

Jon Stewart actually slams Obama and the Dems very often, but when there is that much material handed to you on a silver platter, how can let it pass you by, of course he rips on the TeaParty... The jokes write themselves.

Propaganda is way too strong of a word for it. People expressing their views in the public eye isn't propaganda. You need to separate the opinions of famous people from that of the news media, which is a different story. The News Media does show a real bias, but not for one party or another, they're biased toward sensationalism, ratings dollars, and viewership.

Fox gets that done by playing the conservative advocacy role, MSNBC and CNN have a slightly less radical leftward slant, several other stations vasilate depending on what's going to sell ad time. That's not propaganda, it's that KAPPITALIZMS!

Neither of us said anything about people liking the tea party, but the idea of cutting runaway spending and reinforcing personal liberty is something that most american agree with.

The point he made was that they have a good message but need to work on their politics. The point I made was that they dun screwed da pooch and anyone who actually cares about the ideals of libertarianism needs to jump ship now because the TP is going into a tailspin.

Its the blatant hypocrisy of the party's actions versus the party's message.

Party's message:
Taxed Enough Already, (T.E.A party), wants a smaller federal government and less taxes. Less bloated bureaucracy and common sense practical economic solutions.

vs

Party's Actions: Legislation it has attempted to pass: Federal anti-abortion laws which equates to a larger more invasive bureaucracy. Has not drafted, proposed or pass a jobs bill officially. Have attempted to repeal the Affordable Care Act nearly 45 times after said Bill passed the House, Senate, was upheld as consitutional by the Supreme Court and signed into law by the President. Does not agree with status quo politics, thus has shut down the government two times now which have had adverse effects on the US and global economy.

They have not done one thing they claim they stand for and in fact have done the exact opposite. Which ironically makes them the very "status quo" DC politicians they rail about. If you noticed I didn't even mention the advocation of the cutting of US embassy security funding in 2010 then turning around and yelling BENGHAZI at the top of their lungs so as to not have the light of responsibility shined on them.. oh wait I guess I just did.

This seems like as good a place as any to put this...

Former Secretary of State Clinton busted in London

Apparently, that liberal elitist harlot parked in a metered zone without feeding the meter! Foreign policy be damned! This diplomatic misstep will clearly kill her chances of running for president in 2016!

Joking aside, she paid the fine early getting the reduced fee, which apparently is incredibly rare, US diplomats alone owe the city of London almost 12 million dollars in unpaid parking/traffic violations.

The only reason I posted this is the obviously terrible way Clinton's security detail treated the traffic officer. Hat's off to the constable and the city council for backing the guy up.

Whoa whoa whoa, did you just post a unicef psa that was editted into a pro-obama mishmosh and published by a right wing gun nut preaching about how obama is coming to take our guns?

You just posted an Alex Jones style tinfoil conspiracy theory video as an example of liberal propaganda?

The mastermind behind that video is a former sheriff and author of such titles as "Hollywood's War on God", "Beware of the Devil's Disciples", "Yielding to a Lying Tyranny".

Seriously, if you want to make a point about Hollywood's liberal views, step out of the padded room and do a little real digging. There are plenty of legitimate examples, but you keep throwing out this "come the rapture" crap that completely discredits any point you might make. That is the essence of why the Tea Party is a joke.

wow chill out dude. personal attacks over a simple video post? sad

You look at celebrity propaganda, right in front of you, and excuse it.

Half or more of those clips are taken from a unicef video, not the ACA promotional videos. And there is nothing liberal propaganda about the clips that are from the actual ACA promotional videos, virtually all social programs are launched with celebrity PSA's. And the crap at the beginning and end of the video are also transplanted from elsewhere. It's a clipshow from at least 3 entirely different videos from different sources put together by an EXTREME right gun nut. Its propaganda alright, it just has nothing to do with the people you're trying to blame it on.

the part I don't get is you have liberals driving around with DARWIN (fish with legs) symbols on their cars, yet they refuse to allow his basic principals of "survival of the fittest" and "natural selection" to work effectively. Please stop subverting the system.

Four hundred pounds overweight diabetic retards that refuse to change their diets and you want to make school lunches healthy and limit their soda pop and grant them disability status so we can give them free medical care. and do the Dougie...

***!!!

Let them die, nobody likes americans anyways, whats a few fewer? Why not allow natural selection to weed out the most stupid among us.

Their poor lifestyle decisions are what's burdening the heathcare system anyways.

JOIN IN ME IN EVIL!!!

Here is the beauty of it, you don't have to actually do anything, Just stop interfering.

I like how people don't seem to want to be healthy. There have been dozens of proposed reforms of at least school lunch programs. Putting limits on the amount of soda able to be purchased by a student, eliminating the system that counts pizza sauce as a vegetable, even limiting portion sizes. Every one of them was met with this "don't tread on me" mantra.

I've said it a million times, but the entire history of society is smart people helping dumb people survive.

You post ***, he debunks it, you cry. Standard.

Except he didn't debunk anything. He just made up a bunch of crap. That video was produced by Oprah, who if you don't know is a rather influential woman in the media, and was directed by Demi Moore. It was released about a month into his Presidency if I remember.

Is Rush a reliable source?

Well amandarius' memory certainly isn't. No one is just going to take his word for it without any credible sources cited, that's for sure.

HuffPo enough?

first post from phone! hope link works

"There's an assumption that this one man is going to take on his new job full-time and somehow wave a magic wand of change, and I don't believe that to be true," Ashton tells Reuters. "I think that we have to be the leaders, and that's not celebrities--I think that we as citizens have to be leaders of the movement that we want to create."

The above is directly from the article on Huffington Post.

Which is actually quite insightful and inspiring there in that last sentence.

If you watch the video:

Anthony Keidis says he Pledges his service to Barack Obama. Which you know is no different than any active duty service member pledging their service to the commander in chief.

Only Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher say they pledge allegiance to "the President" at the end.

Then you have the slew of celeberties simultaneously reciting a pledge to be better people.

While on one hand you can take the whole thing out of context and call it Hollywood propaganda. You can also say its Hollywood types making a pledge to be better people and work for a better tomorrow as a whole.

It's like I've said before. People hear what they want to hear.

But hey its not like the nebulus that is Hollywood is all for Obama:

John Cusack has some thoughts about him

Then you have the likes of Micheal Moore, Bill Maher, Don Cheadle, Clint Eastwood, Matt Damon, James Carville, The Kardashian clan, Killer Mike, Cornel West, Tavis Smiley, Harry Belefonte, John Lovitz, Russel Brand, Jay Leno, Mick Jagger and just because I don't like making a long list to match 50; I'll stop at Al Gore. Have all been critical of Obama in many instances.

It's not exactly as black and white this Hollywood is for Obama perception. There are a lot of celebrities that conservative groups could utilize if they didn't have blinders on with this Hollywood is liberal bias nonsense.

All you got to do is google "Celebrities that do not support Obama" or "Celebrities not for Obama" to see that.

Wow, a video made as a gift to Obama during his inauguration (in 2009), and you call this liberal propaganda? More desperation, more lies. Point not made. How about posting something relevant for once, or just keep your fantasies to yourself.

I can't believe people still seriously believe anyone who has a severe amount of power is trying to turn the United States into a socialist utopia. Fascist maybe (both parties are guilty of that) but definitely not socialist. Obama is no more socialist than Bush.

The words: "Out of touch" come to mind.

Just like the ideology of "hey the government is so good and benevolent that it can be trusted to wisely spend everyone's money in 3 years and come up with a website that could efficiently sign people up for a government program they didn't want."

"Hey maybe we should delay this thing for a year."

"Anarchist!!!! You don't want anyone to have healthcare!!!!"

Pot meet kettle....

I often don't know why we even discuss these things in these forums sometimes. Those of particular opinion have their favored persuasions, there's plenty of skewed opinion out there to reinforce your own flavor, and people can't even be bothered to even open their eyes to the facts clearly at hand.

You keep saying delay when your goal was to completely dismantle the healthcare law. When I asked you what should be done instead of Obamacare, you went straight for the Randian "*** em" answer which does nothing to address the problem of millions of Americans unable to access healthcare which taxes our hospitals and creates a myriad of issues.

The free market spoke if you had a preexisting condition. You get no health insurance, you're on your own. Some of the conditions were completely trivial but who cares, those people aren't you.

Where did anyone say the gov't is benevolent or good? Nothing comes without drawbacks.

I don't know maybe start with a simple one page bill that states that people with pre-existing conditions cannot be denied health insurance? Seems like a popular aspect of the law that would have nearly unanimous support in both houses of Congress. Then after it is in effect we could see how the prices are effected for everyone and go from there. Sound reasonable? That is an aspect that Republicans would like to keep and the one single aspect that liberals will always cling to when anyone talks about the ills of Obamacare. It is the one sentence of a 2000 page law and 20,000 pages of regulations that liberals hide behind.

You know as well as I the new argument would be that giving healthcare regardless of preexisting conditions is companies being forced by the govt to do something. Then you would need to draft pages where exceptions apply, legal mumbo jumbo etc etc..

In short we'd be right here still. Legislation can be at times needlessly complex but One page double spaced is best left to High school students.

They passed a bill providing for a delay only. Your characterization of "well that doesn't count because we all know what they really want" is partisan, and dishonest. I'm citing facts, you're citing feelings.

I did not say "*** em", that's another of your characterizations. Free markets rise to meet demand. Look at "cell phones" and what they were 30 years ago. Today there's a simple to complex option for everyone who wants one. No reason healthcare cannot mimic the levels of progress, utility, and innovation if you simply let capitalism work.

Nearly everyone has the same opportunity available to get care in this country, the caveat of as "long as they can afford it" does not constitute inequality. You continue to preach the fantasy of those who cannot pay should still get the best care possible because of your perverted concept of inequality. No one cries unfairness at the fact that not everyone has the same cell phone or cell service, you get service based on what you put in, we all accept that. We don't view that system as a "*** em" mentality, but healthcare is somehow an exception just because you say so.

The real inequality in the healthcare equation is that some people receive care without paying for it while others pay through the teeth! If we made black people pay more than whites you'd be decrying racism, but the class-ism, and ageism involved in the ACA are A-OK.

Calling the tea party strategy of delaying obamacare until they could repeal it is hardly dishonest, it's accurate and 100% truth. Denying it is just more delusion from the right. Similar to Ted Cruz' recent behavior, looks like he is literally trying to sabotage his own party. It's never ending entertainment from the Tea party.