Shut 'em Down!

Well guess what, civics won't dispute what I said. Too bad. Sucks for you and the tea party.

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This doesn't need to change at all. No need to waste time on random ***, just shred them.

It just goes to the intellectual dishonesty of liberals. No one can deny that the Senate will not fund the government, or simply any individual department of the government, unless Obamacare is funded. Denying it destroys any credibility someone has. It ignores all reality. Do you deny it? Then answer this simple question.

Why won't the Senate pass the budget resolution that passed the House which funded the entire government?

Yes that is the tyranny. That is the tyranny of Harry Reid. Table bills that legally pass the House. Ignore regular order. Never bring them to the Senate floor for debate. Impose your will on all of America.

Because it defunds Obamacare, simple. Tea Party poison pills don't work. Tea Party strategies don't work, they aren't fooling anyone and will continue to fail.

Take it however you want, thats how our government has always worked when Congress is split. This isn't new, I guess you are too young and are used to a supermajority or something. Well, at least you are learning something now.

So exactly by you own admission, the Senate will not fund the government because one program, Obamacare, would not be funded. Thank you.

No problem. Think that means something or what?

This very day the government would be funded if the Senate Democrats would fund it. The funding for Obamacare should be left out because the two bodies of Congress do not agree on it, but they agree on everything else. Then the House members are responsible for defunding Obamacare and if the American people that elected them are upset by this they will vote them out of office, and that my friends is how Democracy is supposed to work in a Republic.

That you are willingly arguing a point you know is a lie and have been since the shutdown. you know it is the Senate withholding government funding until Obamacare is funded. It was like pulling teeth but I got the truth out of you finally.

Indeed! Obamacare should be left out of it, its a separate law entirely and is not attached to the budget in any way, therefore it should not be involved in the passing of the budget. The Senate version of the budget did exactly this, they passed a budget funding the entire gov't and left Obamacare alone. The House did not, the House passed a budget that included Obamacare, specifically, the defunding of Obamacare. This budget was doomed to eternal failure, but the House passed it anyways. The House refuses to pass a budget without attacking Obamacare, even willing to shut down the gov't and risk defaulting on the debt. But this isn't tyranny, right?

And I am right back to informing you that Obamacare is fully funded without the budget, without the gov't being open, without our debts being paid. Wow.

Obamacare. Is. Funded. As. I. Type. This.

Why would the Congressional majority leader take away any congressional member whether Republican or Democrat's ability to motion for any Senate resolution bill that would reopen the government to be brought to the floor for a vote? Why would HR 368 be enacted on October 1st the day the current shutdown began?

It seems pretty obvious who is responsible for the government shutdown and it remaining so. The Congressional (House) Majority Leader.

Yeah that rule change is really funny, Boehner knew he was going to come under heavy fire from all sides including his own party for shutting the gov't down, so he snuck that in there, kinda like his latest proposal, I guess he just hopes people won't see through his ***.

I answered your question twice. The Senate isn't refusing to do anything. They are following the democratic process, the majority of the senators don't want to defund ACA. The minority haven't proposed any CR's, which they are legally allowed to do. In the house, the majority are only allowing CR's that defund ACA to even be voted on and suspended the right of anyone besides the speaker to call a bill to a vote.

It's not that they are refusing to fund the government if they can't have ACA, the house has a clean CR that will pass that they won't allow anyone to vote on.

From every angle you look at it, the Pubs are holding the government hostage as a political show, and the public is running out of patience very quickly.

You complain constantly about the "Obama lovers" who follow him no matter what, but you are a self professed libertarian who doesn't think there's anything wrong with one party suspending the democratic process and placing the fate of the US economy in the hands of a single person as long as it's the person you like. That's why I call the tea party a bunch of radicals. If its your guy, you love freedom and thump on the bill of rights like a party drum, but if its some other guy, he's a tyrant and the anti-christ.

Except they already agreed on it... It's fully funded and has nothing to do with this budget disagreement. They might as well be refusing to pass a CR if it doesn't proclaim Tinkerbell the Queen of England. It's irrelevant.

Also, democracy is supposed to work as the majority of elected officials discuss, negotiate, and vote on legislation. That's exactly what happened with ACA. However, if a group wants it repealed that bad, they're welcome to propose it and bring it to a vote. THAT'S how democracy is supposed to work in a republic.

I already explained it all to him, he wants Obamacare to be left out of the budget battle entirely, the Senate is doing exactly that, but he blames them anyway. Who knows.

Yeah, we know what tenshibaby looks like now.

The history of society is smart people helping dumb people stay alive.

Tell me one reason why the government has put the money and effort into barricading off the WWII open air memorial. It is Obama trying to inflict pain on the American people because he isn't getting his way. You know this. Why would you attack people that are upset but this unnecessary repugnant display by the Obama administration?

Complete ***. You were debunked, and you have resorted to slander, par for the course.

Any rational person looking at this debate and was looking to mediate a logical solution would see this. Two sides. They both agree to fund 99 out of 100 things. 1 thing out of the 100, one side does not want to fund and the other side wants to fund. They see both sides then doing nothing, doing 0 out of the 100 things simply because they disagree on 1 out of 100 while agreeing on the other 99. Any rational person would come up with the solution to do the other 99 things you all agree on and settle the last remaining item afterwards.

This is the situation we are in. If you weren't so blindly liberal you would see that the solution is to fund everything they agree on which leaves out the Obamacare funding and continue the debate with the government running. Then let the House deal with the consequences through the democratic election process if it remains unfunded for a year. If they did the wrong thing then the voters hold them accountable. If the American people agree with this budget decision the House made then they will vote for them.

So that is your one reason for Obama shutting down and barricading off the memorial? Complete bs. I agree.

National parks are closed and the hyperbolic emotional reaction is that its causing pain for Americans. So many aspects of the shutdown are causing real pain and heartache but we chose to indicate the most trivial aspect. We blame Obamas administration but willing ignore the portion of his administration called the House majority because including them in the blame is not conducive to our partisan rhetoric.

Again, the decision to fund Obamacare is not up for debate. How many times do you have to be told this? Its fully funded. 15% of the gov't is shutdown. Obamacare is part of the 85% that is open and beyond the reach of the Tea Party.

And, its too bad for your argument they aren't agreeing on 99 of the 100 things, its more like, maybe, 50. The House wants way more cuts, and the funniest thing is, if the Tea Party had let go of Obamacare and passed the clean budget, they would have gotten almost every single one of those cuts. Now it doesn't look like they are going to get even half of them.

Obamacare. Is. In. Fully. Funded. Effect. Right. Now.

It is self funded. The irony is the same group that wants it defunded wanted it designed to be self funding. So its self funded through adding taxes and fees to special interest groups known as private health care providers, medical device and pharma suppliers.

They claim the taxes are bad and that they will trickle down to the consumer dollar for dollar. Which isn't true which is why they are spending so much money attempting to misinform the population.

If the costs were to trickle down dollar for dollar the bottom line wouldn't be affected. Which wouldn't be an issue for profits. The reality is they can't pass the cost dollar for dollar down to the customers so its going to hurt their profits.

Which is why they are paying your elected politicians to tell you its bad...for them.