Washington State Gets Rid Of "sexist" Language

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Seriously ....

Do you know understand how evolution works? Men are genetically hardwired to sacrifice for women and children. It's been that way for 20+ million years long before homo sapiens existed. The females stayed in the cave while the males went out and risked life & limb (we weren't the top of the food chain then) to acquire food. During pregnancy and for a few years afterwards females are essentially helpless, they have absolutely zero chance of fighting off or outrunning predators. Males on the other hand are expected to throw fight off those predators even if it gets a few of them killed. You don't need many males to perpetuate a primate species, you do need many females.

And another fallacy. It's kind of cute you try to pretend you're smart, yet you resort to these petty tricks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy

Here read it and you can stop being emo about how you can't argue with a feminist because you can't use logic.

The problem isn't feminism by definition, it's that the causes it champions for tend to drastically differ from their mission statement.

I fully support theoretical feminism and gender equality, but practical feminism is a laugh.

.......Where are this emotional logic in my post you are talking about? I'm really not sure where you're getting that.
Biologically different, as we have different crotches? Sure. Show me how that makes us inferior, or different in any tangible way that's relant to anything rights based. You don't strike me as a biologist, though.

How you can equate feminism with divorces and super bros hanging out being bros (?) is mystifying and hilarious. H'okay.

Point proven! Executed emotional plea (raped for vote!!!1001) with zero rational thought. Practiced cognitive dissonance with respect to gender norms during middle ages.

And finally, demonstrated misandry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaxKR4CAKf8

The term "creepy" is misandrous by definition. It refers to a male who shows sexual interest to a female who does not return that interest. The exact same behaviors would be practiced by an attractive guy and the women would not find it creepy. This is backed by evolution as a women who mated with an unworthy male was risking death if he couldn't provide food, shelter and fight off potential predators.

I think you're confusing evolutionary biology with evolutionary psychology. Two totally different things.

The word creepy does not refer to a male who shows sexual interest to a female who does not return that interest by definition?

Lol, wait, wut?
Where are you getting this from?
Helpless for a few years? The recovery time for childbirth is 3 days for normal life activity and 6 weeks for the entire recovery. O_o;

I'm an egalitarian. I'm for true equality, no special treatment for anyone. Pure merit based society. Feminism was originally a bunch of bored rich white housewives who were pissed their husbands didn't let them have a say in their business's or law practices. Later is because a movement to end gender discrimination. Both of those were successful and proper equality movements. The current feminist movement is a hate movement, it's leaders and clerics do nothing but express hateful speech towards men. It's nothing but a giant anti-male scream fest with little rational or reason. I just ignore them and make fun of them whenever they attempt to engage me in rational debate.

Primary reason I won't be marrying a western women. No way in hell will I give them unilateral unchecked access to the fruits of my success. Way to many sexy girls on this side of the Pacific.

"Creepy" is an emotional feeling that a women gets when she perceives sexual interest from a male she feels is unworthy. It's not a conscious feeling, it's a purely instinctual reaction. Unworthy males were dangerous to a women due to the 9 month gestation period plus the four year weening period (humans children are not capable of being basically self sufficient until their about four ~ five). A pregnant women or a women with a young child would not be able to gather food on her own, or fight off hungry predators. For a species that lived to about 30~40 there are very few mating opportunities and with high infant mortality and a good chance of dieing during child birth, females had to be incredibly selective on who they mated with.

So yes when a women refers to a guy as "creepy" its her objectifying him and relegating him as sexually undesirable.

Now watch the hamsters go into warp drive. They may even hit plaid.

Are we just arbitrarily giving words definitions here?

i sure am glad those ancient caves have hospitals and medication to allow such speedy recovery

(also, pretty skeptical that anyone's reaching peak physical condition again in 6 weeks, even now)

It doesn't help your case if you automatically dismiss anything that conflicts with your world view, especially if its statistics. (In b4 lies, damn lies) The best way to counter that would be to post statistics of your own and explain why the statistics of others do not make sense.

To me a wage gap is one of the only objective quantifiable measures of "equality". Everything else that's cultural (such as men being ridiculed for playing with dolls or whatever example you want to think of) are, in my opinion, impossible to combat.


The two are related and that's something that a lot of sociologists seem to have difficulty grasping for whatever reason. If I can show that testosterone correlates with higher aggressiveness, then it's only natural for men to gravitate towards things that appeal to that nature (Violent video games for example). Obviously culture/free market/etc will exploit this and make it more and more pronounced and trying to combat that isn't necessarily a bad thing, but the thing that annoys me about a lot of sociologists and the section of feminists that they appeal to is the idea of explaining everything as purely a social construct. You're not going to solve anything if you deny reality.

I gave birth with *zero* medications during and after during recovery.
It wasn't bad at all. The maternity death rate was pretty 50/50 back then, sure, but if you got it out and stopped bleeding, ***, you're fine.

You said "by definition." "To creep", from proto-Germanic kreupana ("twist") and later Old-English creopan and Middle English crepen refers to a type of slow movement across the ground, as would be associated with snakes, lizards, insects, etc. (PIE root is ger - turn, wind). "Creepy" by definition means "producing unease, discomfort or a fearful sensations, such as that of having things crawl (or creep) over one's skin.

The definition has nothing to do with "an emotional feeling that a women gets when she perceives sexual interest from a male she feels is unworthy."

Sorry, but it's not that simple. Even if you received no medical assistance, nutrition/heat/safety are much more available than they were back then, and in much higher quality. If you want to say the experience is equal and should not be a problem to anyone, gonna have to pop your next one out in a cave eating undercooked meat from a freshly killed small animal.

Though, props for being strong enough to go through that without medication. I'm sure I'd be crying like a *** for some opiates.

You're right about the first part. I'm lazy.

Also, there's no proof that that's reality though. Evolutionary psych is arguably psuedoscience. You have a point with hormones, but that isn't so clear cut. Testosterone isn't exclusive to the male sex anyways, normal people have a wide range of hormones.

how do you get rid of language? im confused

I've sworn to never spawn again, but if I did, I'd consider this. *** hospitals. I hated the entire experience, and the only good thing was spaghetti.
But it wasn't uncommon for women to give birth and be back to working in the fields in days, surrounded by kids. It was always the poor women though. The biggest advance with childbirth was handwashing, really.....the chance for infection is really strong those 6 weeks after, because it's not fully closed (TMI prob!) up in there and it's basically a giant open internal wound. You're not allowed to have sex or anything remotely contaminating that entire 6 weeks. Also, C-Sections help a lot these days with the maternity rate because himans are so sloppily evolved that our brains (heads) have gotten too big for our hipspan so literally most C-Section births are due to stalled labor and babies that are too big.
Also, thanks for the props xD

It's been shown that higher levels of testosterone leads to increase aggressiveness and most men have more testosterone than women (Mainly produced by testes, some produced by adrenals which is where women get a lot of theirs).

The problem here is that a lot of the "sexist" culture is a result of the free market rather than anybody being sexist. Objectification of women sells movie tickets, video games, etc. You know what doesn't sell? Treating people like they're intelligent (See: JCPenny's). Personally I think it's just within our nature to be sexist on this level. I don't think there's anything wrong with genders roles, etc. The important thing is to make sure the opportunity to break out of these roles exists, and the fact that the wage gap is very small in these cases is what equality should be about.

Referring to modern feminist usage of the word, not ancient usage.

Girl1: "That guy over there makes me feel creepy"
Girl2: "Yeah he's a creep"

This is all very simple to understand if we stop listening to what people say, and only pay attention them by what they do.

I'm not sure your sex, and I'm not wanting to assume at all, but when you live with those tiny bits of societal discriminaion everyday it becomes a bigger deal. You get tired of men acting like you'll be incompetent because of your sex. So if you're a woman who likes typically manfolk things, you'll get crazy amounts of backlash. (From men and women- there are plenty of women sexist against women) As far as I know my testosterone is normal, so why do I act like any other guy I know? Anecdotal evidence is equivalent to a grain of salt, sure, but you don't really strip the similarity between the sexes until you strip people trying to pretend they're more feminine/masculine than they really are.

But you are completely right that the free market is the biggest perpetrator of things. Sex sells, women speaking up doesn't.

I'm not sure your sex, and I'm not wanting to assume at all, but when you live with those tiny bits of societal discriminaion everyday it becomes a bigger deal. You get tired of men acting like you'll be incompetent because of your sex. So if you're a woman who likes typically manfolk things, you'll get crazy amounts of backlash. (From men and women- there are plenty of women sexist against women) As far as I know my testosterone is normal, so why do I act like any other guy I know? Anecdotal evidence is equivalent to a grain of salt, sure, but you don't really see the similarity between the sexes until you strip the bs off people trying to pretend they're more feminine/masculine than they really are.

But you are completely right that the free market is the biggest perpetrator of things. Sex sells, women speaking up doesn't.

Also, dammit I can't forum today. I had to edit this like 400 times. Posting at 7am wasn't the best idea it seems!

There is nothing specifically rooted in misandry about the word creep or creepy itself. It simply means something or someone that makes you feel uneasy or uncomfortable.

This does not mean that it cannot be used in misandrous ways, but by definition does not refer to modern feminist usage and the definition has nothing to do with the arbitrary crap you made up and/or saw in some random-*** youtube video to support your point.

Creepy

And this, friends, is the definition of naïveté.

It's essentially the equivalent of saying "My problems are real, yours are just made up!"

I mean, really -- because MRM definitely has no good points. There aren't any legal or social consequences of being born with a penis.

• It's been normalized to genitally mutilate baby males for no apparent reason.

• Man up! and virgin shaming

• Men have no special legal protections, whereas women have an absolute ton

• Ever seen a shelter for abused men? Me neither.

• Should we talk about divorce court, and custody, or is that just apparent enough that we don't have to get into it?

• Men can get drafted, women cannot. Doesn't even matter that there's nobody drafting right now -- the government literally, blatantly states that women are inherently more valuable than men by not repealing that.

• Should we talk about scholarships?

• Hell, let's just be blunt -- education basically takes all attention away from males and just focuses it on women. Women in STEM! Women in Robotics! Women award for leadership! etc.etc. Have a men's award/league/scholarship, people pitch a fit.

• No reproductive rights, yet has to pay child support.

• Unfair treatment when accused of rape

• Unfair treatment when accusing of rape

• Domestic violence against men is laughed off.

etc.

can we all just hold hands and play the "lifetime presents when will candace cameron get raped in this movie?" game then we can all guess who will save her toby keith or randy travis

Weight lifters have known for a long time that testosterone assists with creating large amounts of muscle mass. Steroids were just artificial testosterone injected to encourage this process, the side effects were extremely enhanced aggression and dominate behavior. Natural testosterone production can be enhanced by proper eating and lifting exercises, power lifters do this all the time. They need to watch their mood swings as a result of this.

And yes gender roles exist, they were not artificially created by "evil white men" but instead are a result of millions of years of natural selection slamming into the invention of agriculture and monogamy. Most of the previous social barriers created for / around women were to limit and control hypergamy and to preserve a women's value as a long term mate / marriage partner.

The results of breaking those down is the reinstatement of our ancient sexual instincts and mating system. Now we have unchecked hypergamy with young women constantly moving from one male partner to the next, typically the dominate aggressive males, until she hits 30 and find out that her biological clock is running out and she needs to settle fast.

Now breaking those barriers isn't necessarily a bad thing, they weren't entirely natural to begin with. But in doing so we need to be cognizant of the reasons for their existence and thus the results of them not being there. I won't be dating any 30 year old women looking to turn me into an ATM or retirement fund. If / when I do marry it will be to someone who values family and is in her mid twenties and it will only be because I desire to have children. Pre-nump is mandatory. (Actually I recommend everyone get those, divorce is entirely too common and they keep things real).

Only if your hands aren't sweaty, cause that'd be creepy.

Eh, The Lifetime Original Movie Drinking Game never turns out as fun as it sounds like it's going to be.