Top DPS In The Game - Thief?

So, with Windower 4 coming packaged with a legitimate working DPS meter (almost identical to Recount for WoW), it would seem people are able to get more accurate readings of DPS in the game. Then again, I'm just returning to the game after a short break, so if there has been another DPS meter around, then that could attribute to it too.

However, I was recently browsing the BG forums, and found this interesting thread where they were comparing DPS of different classes.

After looking through it for a bit, I noticed that thief had a much higher overall DPS than any other job. Below are some pictures showing the data, with other jobs for comparison:

THF DPS - Average 755DPS


DRK DPS - Average 616DPS


WAR DPS - Average 504DPS


SAM DPS - Average 494DPS




Now, if I'm wrong and one of you is able to clarify for me, please feel free to do so. I'm not claiming that I'm reading this 100% accurately, just presenting the information. If any of you could explain it better, that would help greatly.

TP/WS sets?

You can check out all the other data here -> https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0B0A0wGYYRRdaZjdlNTdkNTEtMDMyYy00OTVmLWI4N2ItNDMwMDI1N2VkYWZk/edit

There are just waaay to many pages to post.

None of that information is useful. We see nothing on gearsets here, so for all we know the "lower" DPS results could be using improper equipment for the content. It's also worth noting that two of the examples are targeting one target in the spreadsheets, and the other two are targeting a different one.

Getting down to specifics, the WAR is subbing NIN in the screenshot, which is a huge no for optimal DPS. Both the DRK/SAM and SAM probably are also being misrepresented because (as I understand it) the spreadsheets do not model extra TP gain from things like Meditate that well (and in both cases Meditate is toggled off, so that contribution to DPS isn't being included).

Edit: The DRK doesn't appear to have Hasso toggled either. I'm sure there's more.

Are you the THF version of pchan?

Holy misinterpreted numbers, batman!


No, but being serious:

You aren't checking anywhere near the optimal gear for any of the other jobs you listed. In the instances you're comparing, DRK is using Quietus (lol?) and WAR is using Ruinator. Neither of which should ever be done. Ever. Seriously, don't.

My DRK's spreadsheet has it at 829.163 DPS, 914.401 with WS only Souleater, and 1011.225 Souleater full duration (never happening in practice imo) for delve fodder and that's using gear I actually have and not optimal gear. So definitely bad spreadsheet setups.

I in no way said that these numbers are fact, actually, my post was basically asking for help in interpreting the numbers.

Also unsure what pchan is.

Keep it that way :)

Download the spreadsheets and then plug the proper buffs and gear if you want to make real comparisons.

I may have not read your whole post.

Basically... Motenten's spreadsheets are going to be very accurate. They can tell you the optimal setup for whatever situation, unlike a parse, which will basically tell you who's been licking windows.

You will have to actually change the gear (and possibly the stats on the gear to what your stuff is augmented with) on other tabs and make sure you're keeping situations consistent. It's really pretty easy to do. Quite unlike how we used to do it back in the day, 'cus *** that ***.

I mean, if I can do it... anyone can.

That actually clears it up quite a bit, thanks.

Yeah. Its hard to compare those jobs. All depend of situation.
And mainly of the mob.
Heavy dds can lose some strenght comparing raw number against nin or thfs, with their higher delay. But they can achieve higher attack without buffs, and thats the point. In mobs with low defense, the att/def can be capped and thfs can deal more dmg as the amount of +att of heady dd, that would be why they get big number, dont matter because it is capped long ago. But as you fight even strong mobs, with higher defense, the thfs att/deff ratio start to reduce, while all the amount of att heavy dd had capped with low level mob start to make difference, and they can maintain their high att/def so, keep dealing the same dmg.
So probably the difference of light and heavy dds are the range of their ratio. If capped, they are similar.
One last and important thing to point is about 1hour. While thfs dont get any advantage of their 1 hour to deal dmg, war, sam and drk get mad dmg with their 1 hour. For delves nm, strategies requires that 1 hour as that fights have low duration. In this case is pointless to compare dps as you arent suppose to fight lont time.

Top DPS will be FFXIV in august.


Sorry, had to.

There's a *huge* number of variables that go into getting 'proper' results out of the spreadsheets. Things I can see just from the images you posted:

Combined DPS: This is a field for a weighted average between the two listed sets, so that you can do comparisons with different buffs, or average together the results of non-fulltime JA buffs (eg: Berserk, up 3 minutes, down 2 minutes). Do not use this field for any sort of job-to-job comparison if you're not making use of the latter feature.

For example, the drk is using great sword in one build, and scythe in the other build, and the war is dual-wielding axes in one build, and using a great axe in the other build. Using an 'average' of that for comparisons with other jobs is pretty useless.


Race:
Thf: Tarutaru
Drk: Elvaan
War, Sam: Hume

Food:
Thf: Red Curry Buns (max damage)
Drk, War: Pizza +1 (extra accuracy vs higher-end content)
Sam: Yellow Curry Buns (cheap attack food)

Target:
Thf, Drk: Delve Fodder
War, Sam: Chapuli lvl 100

Def down on target:
Thf: 23% (Dia II + Acid Bolts)
Drk, War: 10% (Dia II only)
Sam: 0% (no debuffs)

Cor rolls:
Thf: Chaos (25%), Hunter's (40 acc)
Drk: Chaos (35%), Hunter's (30 acc)
War, Sam: No cor rolls

Marches:
Same for all

Other outside buffs:
Drk: Boost-str
Thf, War, Sam: None

Other self buffs:
Drk/Sam isn't using Hasso

ODD:
War: 30% ODD
Thf, Drk, Sam: 0% (at least for first set)

Weaponskills:
War: Ruinator (ie: this setup was checking war/nin dual-wielding axes, or axe+dagger)


All that doesn't even get into accuracy issues, or subtle things like dDex values for crit rates.


And of course if you're just pulling these directly off the Google Drive site, note that I throw in lots of random gear to check to make sure certain things are working correctly (eg: Drk using Scythe and Quietus, War dual-wielding with non-axe offhand), or sometimes just experimenting with an idea, and don't bother putting things back on 'good' gear builds before uploading because it's too much of a hassle. Every person's gear is going to be different anyway.

I was asking what TP/WS set you were using for each jobs, not what spreadsheet default has for TP/WS ><

That's true. It has damaged and will damage SE more than FFXI ever did. Maybe someone can make a spreadsheet of their losses for comparison.

Sorry, had to!

inb4: MNK > All.

sam is strongest dd

Blu obv

SCH with Tupsimati

highest dps while alive/engaged is tsurumaru

highest dps when factoring probability of death is usually mnk on higher content

highest dps in terms of 'if this person was removed, how much would damage drop' is brd

From what I have seen, as a higher end geared Thf (relic also) and playing other DD jobs, The only reason my Thf will consistently pull ahead of other DDs in parsers is because much of the player base bandwagons DD jobs, lacking the out put of better players. Folks who play high end Thfs seem to really care about the job and try to perfect it, these players are also few in numbers. The same can be said for folks who take playing their (DD) jobs optimally. The data is corrupt due to the many "window licking" (lol) DD out there.

In an Avg Delve PUG I can out parse many Sams, Wars, Drks, etc. UNLESS I come up against a great one. Then, there is next to no chance I win over them. Not sure if that answers the question.

I could be full perle and a relic thf will not even be close to my sam with delve weapon....

well a more apt comparison would be a Delve Dagger or the DelveMega boss dagger and with that yes I could kick a Full Perle SAMs *** two ways to next week...

Anything better than a Perle SAM? QUESTIONABLE AT BEST SON

Many of delve weapons still get beat by great Thfs, Comes down to so much more then a simple gear mill weapon as far as total DPS. But no point in going into a mass of math and mechanics about it. That is what all the job specific forums are for and also the highly praised and trusted Motenten's spreadsheets. I run parsers a lot for my own benefit, to understand how to tweak sets for situations for optimal performance. Would not believe how many "Delve weapon" players are scoring terrible in almost every category but assume they are doing well just because of a few high WS numbers.

As many have already stated the best thing you can use are Motenten's spreadsheets, beyond that use parsers to evaluate small changes in your personal gear sets.

As stated in first post, the real issue is not whether or not thf is the best DPS class, it is not. It is just that for every 10 Mnk/Drk/Wat/etc you only come across 1/10 who play worth a damn now-a-days.

Years later, BRD still has the top dps in the game~

Another god dam post about strongest dd lol there is no such thing as "strongest" anyone who says a job is strongest is wrong, there can be best job for the situation or most versatile job that is best fit for the task & survivability, but strongest is a wide variety depending what you are fighting. Did people forget all mobs are weaker to one type of Dmg more than another?