HQ Tier's

I'm curious if anyone else has experienced my HQ Tier woes.

When im doing a T1 with no subcraft i usually can obtain 8~13% HQ rate "over time"

Now my main question is concerning the Tier rates with recipes having subcrafts. I have yet to hit 10% HQ "ot" on any synth containing 1+ subcrafts. I have come to the believe with a subcraft the HQ% is cut in half1/2. I often do 10 haubergeons -> hauberks, basically giving me 20 potential synths all @ Tier1. After 327 succesful synths and 33 breaks (D.ing lost on all fails) I have made 13 hauby+1 and 6 hauberk+1.. I have attained a 5.4% HQ rate and a 11% break rate.

I would like to know others HQ% to Break% for there Tiered crafts with subcrafts.

For subcrafts which ever craft is closest to the cap will be what determines your tier.

There does seem to be a penalty in my experiance as well, but it is not quite as pronounced as being cut in half.

Yes correct, but i m Tier1 in both crafts. however i cannot break ~5% HQ

One thing ive been wondering tho is if the penlty ive been receiving stems from the earth crystal and not the subcrafts... i havent really done many high lvl T1 synths that are fire based. BTW im a 100+3 smither.

I can't say about HQ rate, because I've never kept track of it, but I can definitely say that I fail more on synths with subcrafts, even at T1 or higher. That in itself would reduce your rate of HQ's by a small amount, because you do not have as many successful synths.

I'm interested in this too, if anyone else has some data. Luckily bonecraft has a good amount of T1 synths that don't require a subcraft.

I believe that sub crafts are as important as the main craft in determining HQ rate.

T1 main / T0 sub = 50%~ T1 HQ rate
T1 main / T1 sub = 90%~ T1 HQ rate
T2 main / T1 sub = 60%~ T2 HQ rate

yes i just pulled the numbers out of my arse and no I don't have log parsed data to back it up. What i will say is I've done a LOT of crafting for personal use that included sub crafts [Noct+1, Kampf, Seer +1, Shigeto +1, Elem.Staff, Bullets, etc. etc.] Just thinking back to how I felt some results went.

Wrong, If this were the case, we would see Sheikh Manteel (95 main gold = 100+6 is T1) (60 sub cloth = T0) all over the place but we don't see them ever

they cost 20-30mil, it's definitely a tier 0 HQ 1-2% rate item

as he said "I pulled the numbers out of my arse"

yes there is a distinct drop in HQ rates with more subcrafts involved that i've noticed personally. although i have experienced quite a drop in normal HQ rates w/o subcrafts lately. call it odds balancing out, but ele staves have been doin me dirty as of late.

http://www.bluegartrls.com/forum/57123-before-you-ask-stupid-crafting-question-read.html

To quote a specific paragraph:



Not sure if thats what you were asking exactly, but it's still a very interesting post.

Edit: Missed that Davsa had already said this earlier. Oops. But like I said, still an interesting post if you get the chance.

went 4/12 on haub+1 over time, and 0/20+ on haub+1 over time. its random, accept it