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 Bismarck.Chaosprime
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By Bismarck.Chaosprime 2013-05-29 12:39:12
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There an update where they nerfing everything 29 July? Cant find any info on this, but on that note why on earth would they nerf it? A competent LS can handle them now. I see no reason for the nerf. Way i see it, if you want the stuff and your LS cant do it, might be time to join a better LS? dunno how elite minded some people are. Me, not bothered much, but meh if people are winning now regardless of strategy, then its not overly difficult. Nerfing this game (ala Abyssea) is the reason why this game has gine down hill in years. Bring back the difficulty! Bring back the challenge ( and no not Voidwatch, that was just plain stupid lol)
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By Bismarck.Baalthus 2013-05-29 13:01:33
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I must admit, I am a bit sad that some few already won against the delve bosses. I hoped that this would take much longer. That this would be an incredible challenge, like AV back in 2006.
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By kenshynofshiva 2013-05-29 13:03:50
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Bismarck.Baalthus said: »
I must admit, I am a bit sad that some few already won against the delve bosses. I hoped that this would take much longer. That this would be an incredible challenge, like AV back in 2006.

Well just think these are not the final bosses only level 14 the level 20 bosses have not been introduced so keep hope alive...
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2013-05-29 13:04:53
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Yeah, I wish we had another mob where we still have no idea how they actually wanted it to be killed 9 years later.
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By kenshynofshiva 2013-05-29 13:42:48
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Valefor.Angierus said: »
kenshynofshiva said: »
Bismarck.Baalthus said: »
I must admit, I am a bit sad that some few already won against the delve bosses. I hoped that this would take much longer. That this would be an incredible challenge, like AV back in 2006.

Well just think these are not the final bosses only level 14 the level 20 bosses have not been introduced so keep hope alive...

What are you talking about..?

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20: Delve (Boss Monsters) (Current)
17: Wildskeeper Reive (New Additions) (Next Version Update)
14: Delve NMs (Tier 2) (Current)
13: Skirmish (New Additions) (Next Version Update)
11: Delve NMs (Tier 1) (Current)
6-9: Colonization / Lair Reives (New Additions) (Next Version Update)
7: Wildskeeper Reive (Current)
6: Skirmish (Current)
1-5: Colonization/Lair Reives (Current)


For some reason I was under the impression the areas not open are where the level 20 bosses are actually that's about it.

edi: I see where I got off on the official post only SE puts in the level 20 content before the level 17 content. Got to love em.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/33458-Follow-up-Level-99-Relic-Mythic-Empyrean-and-Walk-of-Echoes-Weapons?p=432132&viewfull=1#post432132
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-29 13:43:36
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They're going to be the same level, just new ones(with the weapon types that are missing).
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By Bismarck.Chaosprime 2013-05-29 13:45:08
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Fenrir.Motenten said: »
@ChaosPrime: So overall, no, you don't have to always keep it on while Impetus is up in order to keep the bonus.


Thank you for the clear up. So ill just macro it in with i use impetus and switch back to Thaumas. Im gathering that is adequate. I dont have VS so i'm at present using SS so Mani body with the dex and acc seems a better option to ws in than tantra. of course toci is ideal but that never drops for me lol
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By pchan 2013-05-29 13:52:54
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Asura.Ccl said: »
We farm plasm killing T5 under 3min about 14500 plasm/h/char everyone leaving with a ton of airlixir(+1) so yeah.

So much airlixirs that you still didn't show your RNG's gear.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-29 13:54:21
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Meanwhile he's killing it with enough confidence to even leave a leech spot...
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By Asura.Jem 2013-05-29 14:09:39
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Can't understand why such the big deal over Plasm/Airlixirs anyway.

Our Tojil kill generated 1,244,500 Plasm and 190m Gil.
Our Muyingwa kill generated 1,382,000 Plasm and 25m Gil (Plus 9% Haste belt still to sell)

Airlixirs/Plasm/Gil are not remotely a problem. I do not know where he has got this gimp notion from.
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By Asura.Ccl 2013-05-29 14:09:55
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pchan said: »
Asura.Ccl said: »
We farm plasm killing T5 under 3min about 14500 plasm/h/char everyone leaving with a ton of airlixir(+1) so yeah.

So much airlixirs that you still didn't show your RNG's gear.


if you wanna look my gear that bad, can check my ffxiah profile.
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By Bahamut.Krizz 2013-05-29 14:16:04
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So I'm working on getting my MNK mule up to par.

This is what she's currently using:
ItemSet 135313

This is what I'm shooting for next:
(No NNI, Legion, etc. Basically anything that can't be trio'd.)

ItemSet 135316

The first things I'll be getting on her from Delve are weapons for MNK and THF. Once I get those, which pieces should I prioritize first?


[I see that the DPS spreadsheet was updated, so I'm going to redownload that right now.]
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By kenshynofshiva 2013-05-29 14:17:56
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pants are pretty damn sick...
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By Shiva.Alistrianna 2013-05-29 14:27:10
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If i recall right, SE's "nerfs" to current content is really just going to be filling in the content levels in between 1-20 to improve gear/power of characters so they have a better chance at tackling harder stuff.
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By kenshynofshiva 2013-05-29 14:40:25
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Shiva.Alistrianna said: »
If i recall right, SE's "nerfs" to current content is really just going to be filling in the content levels in between 1-20 to improve gear/power of characters so they have a better chance at tackling harder stuff.

I gave up ever trying to guess exactly what SE will do when it comes to nerfing something in some bizarre way to make things way to easy or make current methods completely useless.
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By Phoenix.Bahtbaht 2013-05-29 14:50:11
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Bahamut.Krizz said: »
So I'm working on getting my MNK mule up to par.

This is what she's currently using:
ItemSet 135313

This is what I'm shooting for next:
(No NNI, Legion, etc. Basically anything that can't be trio'd.)

ItemSet 135316

The first things I'll be getting on her from Delve are weapons for MNK and THF. Once I get those, which pieces should I prioritize first?

Without NNI, or Legion gear, and given the fact you are shooting for delve gear as well, this would be my suggestion to shoot for in the long run.

ItemSet 302596

Mostly delve gear with the mix of gears you are already targeting. I chose Omodaka Gote since you already seem to be successful in salvage, so they should be a fast and easy upgrade. As for the suggestion of which gear to target first for delve gear here it is:

Rigor's > Steelflash+Bladeborn > Brais > Jerkin > Asperity Necklace.

Augments to Jerkin/Brais would be Type"A" Attack path naturally. Those gears are rather good right "out of the box" even without augments, and will get better as your plasm/gil allow.

If anyone has an alternative suggestion on that order, I'd welcome it.
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By Bahamut.Krizz 2013-05-29 14:56:54
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Awesome, that was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.
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By Asura.Natenn 2013-05-29 15:02:30
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pchan said: »
Natenn did a not so smart *** comment a few posts ago claiming that I can't tank tier III or IV NMs on mnks. That's what the sentence you quoted is referring to. As supspected he goes pld to the boss, so his comment likely means he thinks tier III and IV are hardz. If we follow the devs scale on mobs, they said tier 5 mobs are level 15 difficulty while boss are level 20, so we can expect 33% more evasion, meaning as simple capped delve gear set paired with sushi and madrigals from a a real bard will cap your acc.
it doesn't matter how great you think your MNK is, no melee is gonna tank a mega boss in delve especially not some arrogant 1 minded slob to stubborn to conform to current times. I only tank the mega boss,. ccl/Jem can tank the lesser NM fine while im out finding the next NM. Why should i really care if you "tank" the same baby NMs on MNK? Any retard MNK with a DMG taken set can survive with a bot whm/healers since you get what? 2200+ HP? I go THF For TH unless we're farming inside, until you can kill a delve boss(which probably wont be till after rem update at the very least) your opinion holds no water. Meanwhile we're killing them now w/o the update, what does that say about your "group" aka 2 maby 3 POSSIIBLY 4 ppl 3~4 boxing? Are you honestly calling yourself better then ppl who kill delve bosses easily when you yourself are unable? You would die so many times if not instantly if you tried to melee a fracture naakaul.
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By pchan 2013-05-29 15:41:54
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you moved from "your monk can't tank tier 3-4" to "your monk can't tank tier V". Just pointing out that you don't seem so sure of yourself.
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2013-05-29 16:00:15
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MNK can obviously handle anything but the bosses. The problem you fail to grasp is that you're going to need to turtle up in order not to die if you are tanking. I'm sure you realize how pitiful your damage output would be based on the monsters stats. ScherzoEA strat wouldn't work unless you can get it to the point where every one of his attacks would be lethal.
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By Leviathan.Kaparu 2013-05-29 16:08:05
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To be fair, I think that would actually be more of a MNK-specific issue than a universal one. If capped PDT makes damage intake reasonable, MNK would have relatively little trouble hitting the PDT and haste caps simultaneously. MNK's accuracy is pretty terribad against something with these evasion levels though, and a turtle build would certainly compound that
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2013-05-29 16:10:47
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Yeah, that was mostly my point. MNK hybrid set really hurts for accuracy. You're going to need every ounce of accuracy you can get to deal respectable damage against these things.
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By Leviathan.Kaparu 2013-05-29 16:19:50
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Punishment for excessive HP! '~'
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By Asura.Jem 2013-05-29 16:21:10
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How does EA/Scherzo interact with Weakness? Does it go off your weakened HP or your unweakened HP?

The issue isn't just that you won't be able to do sufficient damage in a Hybrid set, it's that you might not be able to survive after Lahar in a Hybrid set. It's not possible to stun every Lahar + Meteor + Kaustra either due to building stun resistance.
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By Asura.Ccl 2013-05-29 16:23:45
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Let's not forget about how slow mnk will hit being weakened ever other tp move.

So Pchan being a coward and not taking our free Oatixur offer ? So dissapointing.
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By Creecreelo 2013-05-29 16:26:11
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Asura.Jem said: »
How does EA/Scherzo interact with Weakness? Does it go off your weakened HP or your unweakened HP?

The issue isn't just that you won't be able to do sufficient damage in a Hybrid set, it's that you might not be able to survive after Lahar in a Hybrid set. It's not possible to stun every Lahar + Meteor + Kaustra either due to building stun resistance.

It works off your weakened HP.
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By Asura.Jem 2013-05-29 16:26:43
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Yeah, for Tojil Lahar is pretty much the main crunch point that stops you from throwing melees at it.

It's not just the greatly reduced survivability when weakened, you're also suffering a massive DPS drop too. And he really loves to spam Lahar (or at least he did for our 3 fights with him!)

Surviving might be possible with EA/Scherzo but you're still lumped with that DPS penalty from being weakened.
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By Bismarck.Chaosprime 2013-05-29 16:34:00
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derailed thread is a derailed thred :/
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By Asura.Natenn 2013-05-29 18:02:34
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pchan said: »
you moved from "your monk can't tank tier 3-4" to "your monk can't tank tier V". Just pointing out that you don't seem so sure of yourself.
i never specified any tier you idiot, where are your fracture naakaul wins? dont have any? its cause you suck, shut up and go gear SAM/DRK/RNG.
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