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By 2013-02-24 09:24:44
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By pchan 2013-02-25 05:01:33
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Ok then I'll do spharai. I'm an experienced MNK, the only player with a relic afterglow. In other words, I'm the best.

*Spharai is the best MNK weapon outside of impetus. It must be used with Shijin Spiral. During impetus it is slightly inferior to verethragna (5% to 10% depending on gear). The extra counter can become handy though generally it's not very useful. Spharai's strong point are that it doesn't rely on any kind of aftermath to be efficient, so unless you are killing hordes of enemies for an hour, in every situation (kill a couple of mobs then pause) it's going to surclass anything else, and the second strong point is that its WS is consistant (no crit). 100% dex on shijin makes it very easy to have better builds than victoy smite.

* example of spharai in endgame : 3-man ADL with vereMNK, SPharaiMNK, lolSMN.

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* In comparison to other high end weapons, I made a comparison on BG between the best mythics/relics/empy [KKK, glanzfaust, Vere, Spharai, Ukkon, Ryunohige, Relic DRG, liberator, ragnarok, mythic SAM, mythic WAR]

Very high buffs on weak mobs and impetus :

strong mobs with high buff & impetus

extreme setup : very high level mobs, very high buffs with angon

Note that AM3 is assumed for vere & ukkon & mythics, impetus too for mnks, and even so, spharai is very close.

exemple of top tier shijin build :
potestas
ocelomeh +1/gorget/brutal/jupiter/
toci's/mustela/thundersoul/epona/
atheling/artful+1/kehpri/thaumas

exemple of top tier TP build
potestas/
usu+1/rancor/brutal/moonshade att-reg
thaumas/tenryu1+/rajas/epona/
atheling/twilight/khepri/usu+1

(best gear is very dependent on mob VIT and AGI)

15 best TP gear on 110 AGI/VIT mobs - with accuracy gear required :


15 best TP gear on 110 AGI/VIT mobs - with low evasion mobs :

Those numbers come from a real time simulation in C, and can be used for all the weapons listed in the previous comparison. It goes through 40000 gear combinaisons and finds out the best.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7wbcilaHsTeWmNLSlJxWURIaDQ/edit?usp=sharing
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-02-25 05:02:20
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pchan said: »
Ok then I'll do spharai. I'm an experienced MNK, the only player with an afterglow. In other words, I'm the best.

it's always good to start your guide off with a joke


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* In comparison to other high end weapons, I made a comparison on BG between the best mythics/relics/empy [KKK, glanzfaust, Vere, Spharai, Ukkon, Ryunohige, Relic DRG, liberator, ragnarok, mythic SAM, mythic WAR]

But two jokes in one post is pretty distasteful
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2013-02-25 06:40:36
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Good to see pchan's coding style is as offensive as his posting if he wrote that sim code.

As a programmer I find the code interesting nonetheless, but given the game is 10 years old i'm gonna have to argue SE's code is probably done in fixed point math using optimized SSE2 (like how fractional haste has been shown to be in 1/1024ths) or they just went with single precision float to do all their combat code efficiently. Using doubles all over is kinda silly.

26 function parameters, really? Use a struct for some stuff man >.>
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By duos 2013-02-25 11:34:00
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pchan said: »
Ok then I'll do spharai. I'm an experienced MNK, the only player with a relic afterglow. In other words, I'm the best.
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By Bismarck.Diablosword 2013-03-02 14:02:26
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Need more completed analysis!
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By Gimp 2013-03-02 14:19:34
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***that's scary duos looks like an :0

had my laugh for today the afterglow just highlights the elite morons of our server whenever we do see them afk in upper j, too bad i don't get to see them talk much
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-03-02 14:25:22
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anyone else find it beyond hillarious that he's the best, yet hasn't capped his guard?


And its without a doubt the most poorly executed and luckiest ADL I've ever seen.
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2013-03-02 14:57:35
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Guys, if you keep quoting pchan, blocking him becomes ineffective.
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By Phoenix.Audacity 2013-03-02 15:03:26
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Only the best MNK's TP in brego helms.
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By Bismarck.Amphion 2013-03-29 11:21:48
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Why haven't the Amano and Apoc write ups been posted on the front page? I don't see anyone doing a better job on those two, and I am assuming they were quite agreed on by the general community since not many have rationally argued against them.

Let's make this thread useful again please.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2013-03-29 11:43:39
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Bismarck.Amphion said: »
Why haven't the Amano and Apoc write ups been posted on the front page? I don't see anyone doing a better job on those two, and I am assuming they were quite agreed on by the general community since not many have rationally argued against them.

Let's make this thread useful again please.

pchan posted in this thread so everyone stopped taking it serious.
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By Shiva.Ziost 2013-04-03 14:37:35
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back on the amano/koga/masa post, it seems like anytime amano is discussed, its amano w/yoichi. it almost comes across as youre saying when amano wins, it wins with the amano/yoichi combo. is the use of the bow what makes the amano so potent in these situations? like.....don't make amano unless youre gonna make yoichi....is that a correct statement?
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By Bismarck.Amphion 2013-04-03 14:50:31
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No I don't think that's what was meant. While Amano / Yoichi is certainly potent, even if you take Yoichi out of the equation and compare GKs only, Amano should still be superior in roaming events and when accuracy is an issue. For zergs in high buff situations and and basically any time your feet are firmly planted, Masa and Koga would win.

Also, Amano is mentioned with Yoichi so much because Yoichi doesn't play well with Koga and Masa. That's why those two are so synonymous.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-04-03 14:54:44
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Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
Bismarck.Amphion said: »
Why haven't the Amano and Apoc write ups been posted on the front page? I don't see anyone doing a better job on those two, and I am assuming they were quite agreed on by the general community since not many have rationally argued against them.

Let's make this thread useful again please.

pchan posted in this thread so everyone stopped taking it serious.

Between getting mono and suddenly getting thrashed around by my advisor who suddenly realized that I'm supposed to be doing research or something silly like that, taking on extra hours at work because no one is competent, and being distracted by making Kenkonken/Adoulin ... that's the main reason I've neglected it - I don't want to deal with pchan's post.

No but seriously my life is chaotic, if anyone can help me proofread and format I'd be really appreciative.
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By Bismarck.Amphion 2013-04-03 18:25:46
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
Bismarck.Amphion said: »
Why haven't the Amano and Apoc write ups been posted on the front page? I don't see anyone doing a better job on those two, and I am assuming they were quite agreed on by the general community since not many have rationally argued against them.

Let's make this thread useful again please.

pchan posted in this thread so everyone stopped taking it serious.

Between getting mono and suddenly getting thrashed around by my advisor who suddenly realized that I'm supposed to be doing research or something silly like that, taking on extra hours at work because no one is competent, and being distracted by making Kenkonken/Adoulin ... that's the main reason I've neglected it - I don't want to deal with pchan's post.

No but seriously my life is chaotic, if anyone can help me proofread and format I'd be really appreciative.

No problem, RL > FFXI of course. Really hope someone helps you though, since this is a great and useful thread with some awesome posts. I wish I could but I suck at stuff like this.
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2013-05-06 17:39:34
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Lost in all the hullabaloo, we finally have an answer to this thread!



/quick, dirty
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