The New Embrava And PD |
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The New embrava and PD
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Odin.Eikechi said: » I think I see Proth's point. With regain changing to extra refresh, I would think that blu got the biggest boost from this, no? Well no not really, I wouldn't bring a SCH to nyzul at all anymore, and if I did I wouldn't be wasting time waiting for Embrava. BLU just serves to lose little from the Embrava nerf compared to any other DD, and it was already a beast in nyzul. Bahamut.Bojack said: » Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Odin.Registry said: » That puts you at 528? 417+16+12+3+9+9+3+2+12+15+10+4+5+5+10+10 thats 542, not 528, I dont know how you missed 14 because nothing in there is +14 skill or +13 skill factoring my typo. Bahamut.Bojack said: » Well, I see what you're saying if you have cleared it multiple times. I was speaking more from a group that has come so damn close but just can't get there. We've tried about 25-30 tags now and we haven't cleared. We have gotten so close. High 90s a bunch of times, timed out on the boss because of low time and Terror. I was just hoping we'll be able to hit 5 80s in less run than we've tried so far. I can still hope can't I? ;; What's it hurt to try though right? I'm constantly sitting on 5 assault tags and would love to even attempt Neo Nyzul Isle. I'm not saying one should just throw them away willy nilly, but what is there to lose? This is why it surprises me that there are almost no shouts putting NNI groups together, statics or otherwise. Am I missing something (Other than the fact that it is really difficult/lucky to get to floor 100)? Valefor.Prothescar said: » Odin.Eikechi said: » I think I see Proth's point. With regain changing to extra refresh, I would think that blu got the biggest boost from this, no? Well no not really, I wouldn't bring a SCH to nyzul at all anymore, and if I did I wouldn't be wasting time waiting for Embrava. BLU just serves to lose little from the Embrava nerf compared to any other DD, and it was already a beast in nyzul. This is silly. You still need a healer, and SCH is bet equipped for the job in NNI. Valefor.Prothescar said: » Odin.Eikechi said: » I think I see Proth's point. With regain changing to extra refresh, I would think that blu got the biggest boost from this, no? Well no not really, I wouldn't bring a SCH to nyzul at all anymore, and if I did I wouldn't be wasting time waiting for Embrava. BLU just serves to lose little from the Embrava nerf compared to any other DD, and it was already a beast in nyzul. BLU has always been awesome in Nyzul Isle. I'd never go any other job when doing climbs to 100 back at 75 cap, even when people insisted otherwise. I've always changed their minds by the end of the run, haha. Embrava can only last what? maybe 4 minutes with Perpetuance and the gloves? So even with the changes in mind, it won't last long enough to use only 2 sch's to keep it up full time.
Fenrir.Sylow said: » Valefor.Prothescar said: » Odin.Eikechi said: » I think I see Proth's point. With regain changing to extra refresh, I would think that blu got the biggest boost from this, no? Well no not really, I wouldn't bring a SCH to nyzul at all anymore, and if I did I wouldn't be wasting time waiting for Embrava. BLU just serves to lose little from the Embrava nerf compared to any other DD, and it was already a beast in nyzul. This is silly. You still need a healer, and SCH is bet equipped for the job in NNI. How? SMN + BRD/SCH would be infinitely more useful. Marches, Paeons, Hastega, Movement speed Valefor.Prothescar said: » Odin.Eikechi said: » I think I see Proth's point. With regain changing to extra refresh, I would think that blu got the biggest boost from this, no? Well no not really, I wouldn't bring a SCH to nyzul at all anymore, and if I did I wouldn't be wasting time waiting for Embrava. BLU just serves to lose little from the Embrava nerf compared to any other DD, and it was already a beast in nyzul. This is shockingly heavy-handed and the approach to adjusting PD/Embrava-driven content is unsettling. Merely reducing the HP of monsters that can oneshot you with normal attacks? Bring on the era of EA/Scherzo, I guess. oh I didn't see the duration MEGA nerf...wow.. That's *** lol
what is with all the bad math here?
Quetzalcoatl.Hidegger said: » what is with all the bad math here? Care to elaborate, chief? Valefor.Prothescar said: » Fenrir.Sylow said: » Valefor.Prothescar said: » Odin.Eikechi said: » I think I see Proth's point. With regain changing to extra refresh, I would think that blu got the biggest boost from this, no? Well no not really, I wouldn't bring a SCH to nyzul at all anymore, and if I did I wouldn't be wasting time waiting for Embrava. BLU just serves to lose little from the Embrava nerf compared to any other DD, and it was already a beast in nyzul. This is silly. You still need a healer, and SCH is bet equipped for the job in NNI. How? SMN + BRD/SCH would be infinitely more useful. Marches, Paeons, Hastega, Movement speed Brd and sch can provide all that. You're operating it seems on the assumption of empy brd, too, which is unlikely given most capable of that are done with Nyzul. I knew 600 wasnt possible, was just being facetious. I have 501 enhancing with kirin pole, and 507 smn with out.
Gonna redo kirin pole with smn skill now maybe, dont give a ***about 25% haste that I'll never use. Fenrir.Sylow said: » Valefor.Prothescar said: » Odin.Eikechi said: » I think I see Proth's point. With regain changing to extra refresh, I would think that blu got the biggest boost from this, no? Well no not really, I wouldn't bring a SCH to nyzul at all anymore, and if I did I wouldn't be wasting time waiting for Embrava. BLU just serves to lose little from the Embrava nerf compared to any other DD, and it was already a beast in nyzul. This is silly. You still need a healer, and SCH is bet equipped for the job in NNI. Agree, however, the gap between SCH and the other healing jobs has been reduced quite a bit, I don't think a SCH is actually required now. So if there isn't one available, its replaceable. At the least I'd see RDM and WHM as being in the running now. Moreso RDM since it can still retain some damagedealing potential, and thus I don't see it losing much compared to a SCH.
"Embrava for 210 seconds wow... lol the regain is doable to live without but come on duration too? lordy lordy"
"90 seconds will make it about 500 seconds with AF3+2 hands. Assuming the JA bonus works the way it should. Regardless why make us refresh. We have no use for the TP spell we got and our embrava doesn't give t now. This is insane. Refresh wont even stack if a sch has sublimgation up. BS." "535 is the max possible SMN skill at this point." not to mention the guy that just didn't add things up properly 2 pages back Regen V is still a beast. Phalanx, perpetuanced bar paralyze/blizzard, enspells, storm surge, all delicious icing.
Valefor.Prothescar said: » At the least I'd see RDM and WHM as being in the running now. Moreso RDM since it can still retain dome damagedealing potential, and thus I don't see it losing much compared to a SCH. Relic WHM offers superior support, mp efficiency, and dd potential than rdm! whats the max duration for embrava now, officially?
Nevermind, ignore me, I totally can math durp durp. Fenrir.Sylow said: » Regen V is still a beast. Phalanx, perpetuanced bar paralyze/blizzard, enspells, storm surge, all delicious icing. Regen V is nice, but aside from that and storm surge a RDM can do /SCH. I'd say a RDM is definitely viable now, but like I said, I've never done NNI. I can't see the loss of Regen V and storm surge making or breaking a run though. The new RDM 2-hour will be somewhat decent for nyzul for those who still need gear. Floor 80 is not hard to reach at all without embrava. We reached it many times before adopting the SCHx2 strategy.
Anyway, I'm probably in the minority here, but I'm more pissed about the regain being removed from embrava. Not only do I, on ranger, now have to suffer through lolmarches being applied to melees, but I no longer have the regain effect from embrava either--which clearly benefits RNG more than any other DD. On the bright side, RNG will possibly get to shine even more since they'll likely be the only job with 4 minuets. Fenrir.Sylow said: » Valefor.Prothescar said: » At the least I'd see RDM and WHM as being in the running now. Moreso RDM since it can still retain dome damagedealing potential, and thus I don't see it losing much compared to a SCH. Relic WHM offers superior support, mp efficiency, and dd potential than rdm! I think that all depends on the WHM and RDM in question. Shiva.Viciousss said: » whats the max duration for embrava now, officially? More realistically, 7mins. Sch can accession something every floor, sub sch has 2 charges on long timers.
Odin.Eikechi said: » I think I see Proth's point. With regain changing to extra refresh, I would think that blu got the biggest boost from this, no? Fenrir.Sylow said: » Sch can accession something every floor, sub sch has 2 charges on long timers. That's true, but the run is only 30 minutes. So how many times do you need to Accession these things? With the gear RDM gets to increase enhancing magic duration I'd think they could manage on two charges just fine. I'd say the loss of Regen V is the biggest complaint between the two. Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Odin.Eikechi said: » I think I see Proth's point. With regain changing to extra refresh, I would think that blu got the biggest boost from this, no? I didn't see the duration nerf before I said that. SOOOOOORRRRRY lol |
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