The Sealed Dagger: A Ninja Guide

all I read is someone using a 3rd party script vs someone who don't, the one using script will prefer qc because it'll drop shadow when it proc. I for one say *** QC or FC, DW HQ/NQ tancho and woe legs plus 1-2 more piece and have yourself a 85-100% interrupt rate.

I don't mean to beat a dead horse. Just for sake of comparison.
Kannagi Blade: Hi
Altdorf+Wilhelm earrings = wsa - 3554
TP bonus+4agi eaarings = wsa - 3585

Kikoku Blade: Hi
Altdorf+Wilhelm earrings = wsa - 3494
TP bonus+4agi eaarings = wsa - 3523

Raimitsukane Blade: Hi
Altdorf+Wilhelm earrings = wsa - 3631
TP bonus+4agi eaarings = wsa - 3653

Edit: All this info is wrong showing a 3~4% crit rate boost which TP bonus does not give to Blade:Hi
Spreadsheet error in the 10/14 download

You are supposed to be proving how abundantly useful quickcast is over every other option, why are you still trying to minimize the impact of TP Bonus?

No one lives in the narrow bubble you live in which only has 7/22 (mostly mage) jobs leveled unless it is a mule, grats on arguing from a mule's POV. Most of us have multiple jobs (its called diversity), quite a few have mythics and can see the obvious bonuses that a proper moonshade can provide. Just because you burned a job up to 99 and use it for a few BC's doesn't mean you suddenly have the ability to provide proper advice, all you are doing is showing everyone something they already knew. Give it up already or at least try harder. If you want to have the last word just for the sake of it, then just say so, you can have that also just quit posting nonsense after. We get that you are limited because you are mostly a mage, we aren't holding it against you but it's also not helping your case when it comes to the overall picture of being a great melee vs a mediocre one. (This is why most endgame LSs only recruit support jobs instead of DPS, you get apps like this guy popping up.)

We still believe in you, we're sure you will show that 100% quickcast math one day.

Why so upset?

I need to go bk to Aby so sayeth Mr.Aby GoGo Mr.Aby /cheer Good Job! Congratulations! My most humble apologies Mr.Aby sir. That's you. Not I. Remember? /flipflop debate Mr.Aby has spoken Mr.Aby is SO fired UP over absolutely nothing. How silly.
Mr.Aby I never made such claims tsk tsk
Mr.Flipflop oops MY bad I ment Mr.Aby speaks with conviction and authority! While flipping the story around ten fold without looking in the mirror.

So you are pretty much here out of boredom like was previously suspected, you aren't providing any information with any sort of substance, most of your arguments are just based off your narrow opinion. We get it, slow day, you're unemployed/don't go to school and you need something to do to pass the time (see we can pass off assumptions as facts like you do). Troll is as troll does, may I suggest the PR threads? Life moves on, with you not at the center of it. Just another troll out of the various I've seen since the start of FFXI all those years ago, and you won't even be a memorable one. Let me guess, you rock a 3 hit nana/zanshin on that sam also, right Mr. Nabis?

Edit: Also very good job at continuing to edit the above post. How many more lines are you going to ninja edit until you run out of things to dissect and take out of context? Just can't let the above post go can you, was Mr. Abyssea last night and now 24 hrs later you add Mr. Flipflop, while not realizing you are troll quoting yourself smart guy. You've even edited previous posts to try and erase some of the nonsense you have been posting just because you have been called out on it, be a man and leave things unedited. Or continue being a hyprocrite and make us laugh further, up to you. What new ninja edits and names will you have tomorrow? Will you ever learn how to use a spreadsheet to support your arguement? Just how will you change history thru ninja edits? Stay tuned!!!

Just for sake of Comparison. Posting stats showing TP bonus WSD is hard to swallow. I guess. Rawr.
For future refrence I'll be sure to consult with Mr.Abyssea himself personally before making him upset posting ill advised spreadsheet information. My apologies.
If you don't accept TP bonus is a MUST have or think it's a minimal upgrade at best that's clearly unacceptable. I gotcha. I understood you. Loud and Clear.

The fact that melee intensive players choose TP Bonus over Quickcast is hard for YOU to swallow, even tho you rested your case more than once already. You can call me Mr. Abyssea or Daddy for all I care, continue to ninja edit your posts as well, it won't prove your point any better. Just get in contact with Nabis, I'm sure both of you can brainstorm an half an idea.

If you want to turn this into "TP Bonus wins, I just want to get the last word in so I feel good about myself" we can do that as well. The only one that has been upset that no one accepts your point of view the last few days is you, get over it. Being sly, coy, argumentative for the sake of it isn't going to make you one of the cool kids, unless the idea is to join Team Nabis. Go Team Nabis.


Ninja edit where and when someone said such a ridiculous thing. Are you still pulling things out of your *** since you can't back up your QC > TP Bonus on-all-things claim? The burden of proof is on you since you stuck your foot in your mouth. Ninja edit your way out of the hole you've been digging. Still not to late to retract your assumption and admit a mistake was made, but I have a feeling you will let this drag on for a few more pages before you can let it go. Hard to swallow your pride and let your ego take a hit when you are wrong we get it, so since you can't quantify QC's usefulness you will diminish the value of TP bonus over the next few posts instead.

QQ why are spreadsheet statistics unacceptable? Get over it alrdy. TP bonus wins you fool. Be happy. lol
complains about ninja edits then procedes with his own So hostile.

Quick Magic is the wrong choice.

Are they ninja edits, or are you just taking quotes out of context to BS around some more? Here I can do it too (taken from the relic weapon thread):


See how that works? Not that hard for you to quote yourself and say you made a mistake again. Has learning occurred?

Because I said I would be helpful. This is a simple gearset, I don't consider this fancy. But it makes a point.

Target: Tojil, 15% DEF down, Minuet V(@+5), Chaos Roll @ 35%, Boost-STR (because we're always in a party with other DD's who want Boost-STR)


4085 versus 3947, difference of 138. That's over double your max estimated 30-60. Blade: Ten? Even. better. In fact it would be funny to actually look at Blade: ten... maybe I'll do that after this post.

I suppose some gear in there could be adjusted depending on your setup or what you have available to you or what's new that comes out.

With a TP Bonus Moonshade earring, it is my opinion that based on the above example moonshade earring is better suited to me as a TP Bonus than QuickCast earring. I like to deal damage as a ninja. I don't like to insta-cast as a mage 3% more.

He took your advice and put together a QC edit posting set. Phaded saw how efficiently you edit your posts and wanted to do the same!

I found some interesting scenarios with Blade: Ten, not comfortable posting them yet because it could be sloppy spreadsheeting, and even if I was right the benefit of using it was only about 2% in controlled situations(as an increase in overall DPS). Regardless, as you said its a huge boon in that case and was contributing around ~14-15% WS damage.

The QC jokes aren't going to get old anytime soon, is it bro. lol And hey Inf!!! We should all optimize our melee sets via the gear we can wear on our mage jobs, because mage gear should always determine how we gear (gimp) our dps. Hey we can even justify it by saying "its my personal preference".

Yeah, I don't know how I feel about Blade: Ten. It's funky for sure. Easily knocking out similar dmg numbers on the same target (tojil) and higher when holding TP, but it takes ~14 attack rounds to get to WS time, than it takes (~9 rounds) to be able to Blade: Hi.

It's great for those times you get amnesia'd for sure.

I think all that time spent in aby has put you on such a high pedistal that your brain is bigger than your abilities.
Was that before or after he falsely quoted me without actually listening to a word I said?

I see nothing wrong with this and agree 100% other than the fact I don't feel the need to overcompensate on DPS for NIN when I have Nagi to begin with and QC on Moonshade works also on NIN. Moonshade QC is for mage jobs but it does have benefits using on NIN as well.

Edited typos and making my own personal statements more clear doesn't exactly = misquoting others does it. Na it don't. Just like QC on NIN ain't exactly 'questionable'. It's a personal choice.

Interesting coming from someone that has edited almost every post in the past 2 pages.

I'll quote myself since its relevant.


We done here? Would really like to actually move onto something that doesn't involve your questionable gear choices.

Yes, I did spend a lot of time making gil off players like you in Abyssea, they were too busy quickcasting to be able to kill anything efficiently. Also since when is having a big brain a bad thing, are you going to state that having a smaller brain is +3% better? Just to help you out, the word you were looking for is pedestal, ffs FFXIAH autocorrects your posts, how did you manage to mess that up? Did you quickcast type too fast?


No one is listening to anything you say, we are too busy laughing at your expense since your original Quickcast > TP Bonus post.


It's not overcompensating, its optimization. If you want to be a sub par NIN that mostly plays as a mage, its your $12.95 do as you wish. It still won't make you right.

"TP bonus or Quit game" yarrr
Phaded the Koga 'optimized' NIN

So now you are quitting the game because it requires optimization? Best choice you have made since you picked QC and rested your case, you've seen the light.


Now you are talking about relic equipment? Or are you just failing at more trolling. Having played this game since NA PC release, I'm sure I've experienced and forgotten more then you have ever learned. Seriously try harder to prove your point, quit dodging it.

His QC set is so fast he quoted you from future posts, that is truly amazing!

He's optimized it so the set has +3% more nonsense and unwitty sarcasm than his previous set. It also now insta-quotes so he can get the last word in, on an otherwise slow don't-have-a-job/have-nothing-to-do day. Soon he will flip to Gippali's "do you, I'll do me" point and ninja edit more posts to save face, Mr. Subpar wins! Just how will you prove your original nonsense that a quickcast earring which procs some of the time > a moonshade that procs 100% with your future edits?

Reminder, this was what you are supposed to be proving; 3% > 100%. Once you do that you can move on to proving 10% > 100%. We know how to use and update our own spreadsheets until Mote gets around to it, but don't despair, I'm sure someone will be kind enough to show you how update your (more than likely) outdated ones. You can even try and pass them off as your own corrections as well, we won't call you out on it. Keep pretending like you don't understand or remember what you originally said, no amount of ninja edits will erase it. Lets see you use a spreadsheet to prove QC > TP bonus like you originally stated. We know the amount of damage TP bonus provides, its value was never in question by anyone except you.

The point is it's a bonus we get every time we WS, not once every 100 casts. Even if it only gave 1 point of extra damage, that is still a damage increase on every ws vs QC's +3% bonus which will not proc on every single spell. You have overly estimated the trivial usefulness of quickcast for nin by eyeballing it, have been called upon to prove it and you have yet to do so. Diminishing everyone elses point of view via ridicule will never prove yours and no one will ever agree QC > TP bonus on moonshade. At no point has anyone declared a TP Moonshade to be a gift from the gods, the only one trying to sell that as everyone elses argument is you, sorry for the reality check.

If you feel like TP bonus is THE best thing EVER for NIN dps....

gdiShun did you manage to perform further tests with Blade: Shun?
The other day I was having fun for an hourish killing stuff in Yorcia, Foret and Marjami on NIN doing RoEs and Shun was producing much bigger numbers than expected, pretty consistantly too.
I don't know what to think anymore...

As you mentioned from your tests, I can confirm moonshade from 1000 to 1250 produced quite a big difference in damage.
Something's still not clear about this WS and what they changed with the last patch, I tell you...

I put in spread, out of curiosity, the exact same and didn't get same results.
Set:1 = WSA - 3403
Set:2 = WSA - 3367

You said you were using the pre ws-update sheets? You'll need to fix a few things in the lists part of the spreadsheet to update it.

Make sure Blade: Hi is set to 5.0 fTP and it's crit modifiers at 1k,2k,3k are 15%, 20%, 25% respectively it's crit modifiers at 1k,2k,3k are 15%, 5%, 5% respectively

I'm a 99 Hume with Red Curry Bun as the food since I didn't include that also.

Edit: If your sheet is old enough, it also may not have the fix for counting Taikogane's crit + on mainhand... but that was a long while ago.

Edit edit: Akson pointed out the spreadsheet is adding the bonus from excess TP over the anchor points. The correct information is in this post.

I have the latest download 10/14 think it was ty tho think that fixed it.

Unfortunately Mote hasn't been around to update the WS data on those spreadsheets, so any WS that was recently changed will need to be adjusted in any sheet you have.

'Other List' tab > Blade: Hi should be changed to > Crit0 15%, Crit1 5%, Crit2 5%. The spreadsheet adds Crit0 + Crit1+ Crit2 giving you Blade:Hi crit mod 1000, 2000, 3000 tp of 15%, 20%, 25%I assumed the crit mods for Blade:Hi were accurate. Motenten himself had Crit0 15% which is accurate and Crit1 plus Crit2 with 10% and 15% which is not. Knowing that TP bonus for Blade:HI gives a 1.25% crit rate boost. If you remove both earrings and equip only TP bonus the wsa should be an increase between a 1~2% crit rate bonus. Checking TP bonus wsa then removing TP bonus and manually adding crit rate 3% yall then see your wsa still is below TP bonus with Motenten's original spreadsheet. Which means having Crit1 at 10% effectively DOUBLES the TP bonus potency from a 1~2% crit rate boost to a 3~4% crit rate bonus. Changing Crit1 and Crit2 to 5% and 5% will make it so equipping TP bonus puts you in the 1~2% crit rate range.