The Sealed Dagger: A Ninja Guide

Quick 10% w/ Impatiens, Moonshade, Lebeche Ring, Weatherspoon Ring
Also Orunmila's Torque 5% FC > Voltsurge 4% FC

If you're using Moonshade to get Quick Magic on Ninja you're doing it wrong :P

ORLY?!?!
Gosh, I was so sure 4% FC was better than 5%, inorite?! :P

Yeah quick on Moonshade though works for both ninjutsu and mage jobs so picked that over TP Bonus. Yes it's true Orunmila's better if going for FC lol.

Moonshade is like Rajas. If you have a single melee job that can make good use of it, you get it (TP bonus). You don't get mage stats. Yikes..

I could see getting the refresh augment on it if all you really play is a Mage job, not the quick magic though. Better off just sticking with loq. Earring and enchanters +1. That tp bonus is just to great to pass up!

Possibly a dumb question here, but I just started using Sange, and noticed I go through a stack of Shuriken every 3-4 uses.

I understand Sange comsumes Shuriken, and that's fine, but is there anything you all are doing to control the consumed amount? (Aside from not using Sange as much, obviously)

Sounds about right. If you have buffs up consumption will increase. Sparks/Bayld shuriken are basically free so that's good!

Thanks for the quick reply! I've been using sparks shuriken, but didn't even think about the bayld ones. Those are probably a better option since bayld seems easier to come by right now.

If the coalition hasn't lost rank on your server, they're nice :D I haven't been able to buy them since Nov. on Quetz.

Also, remember you can get them made into pouches. It makes hoarding them all that much easier.

I was just about to say that! Couldn't get them on Bismarck for a good 6 weeks...thankfully coalition rank went back up the week before x-mas.

Ohh and gratz on the Liberator Orestes!

Thanks man! Still haven't got to do anything fun with it yet, but hopefully soon.

TP Bonus tho best is still nothing extraordinary for just about every WS I looked on DPS spreads with unless you're talking THF using Rudra's. Which job I do have and I do use yet THF nor Rudra's itself matters enough to me to care to pinpoint 1 item on said job negating my casting. No moonshade is NOT revolutionary for Blade Hi nor any other NIN ws. It's best yes but the 30~60? wsa pts it adds will not have me altering my instacast sets in any way shape or form whatsoever.
Far as refresh aug goes. I don't need such on my SCH which never runs out of mp let alone my RDM which I have to use convert once every 6mths on? There's plenty of refresh gear and buffs ingame as is. Again refresh aug itself is nothing revolutionary. You may think 15% quick cast ain't nothing special neither yet it works for me just fine.
While nothing ingame buff wise offers instacast, cept RDM's 10:00 recast /ja Spontaneity and SCH's 2~5 emp+2 set, both WSD and Refresh are easily modified from a slew of various pt buffs.

One last thing before I rest my case. If you're thinking some 2% fc earring or a fc set is capable of replacing and negating an instacast build. What is your recast timers on Utsusemi Ni/Ichi or Migawari? Is it up again yet? Fast Cast is not a substitute for Quick Cast unless both your casting and recast timers are nonexistent. fwyh

I would never use moonshade as instacast earring. Never.

Yes, my recasts are always up. Every single time I need them. Without fail.

TP Bonus moonshade, best earring in the world. :)

Don't forget about Blade: Ten. DPS sheets have TP Bonus moonshade increasing it by approximately 1000 dmg.

It may not be viable at 1k TP, but if you have overflow anywhere near 2k, it's pretty hard to beat.

By 30~60? wsa pts. Not nearly as impressive as a mage who can Chainspell bk2bk spells rapid fire w/o actually using said 1hr /ja. The whole notion and idea that TP Bonus is a MUST have aug is overrated at best. Unless you are not a mage or THF is THE job for you. It is what it is.

It is what it is. And it is the best choice.

I'm stickin with it. If we were in the mage forums I'd agree that it has a tiny measure of use.

If you find the quick cast beneficial to you, that's awesome. However, understating the usefulness of the tp bonus earring is pretty absurd.

The QC earring becomes even less useful when we're talking about high buff situations. Ni/Ichi/Miga all have low recasts when you are riding haste I/II/geo-haste/marches. Over the course of a 1-3min fight, the added dps from using a tp moonshade verse the alternative will definitely outweigh a QC earring. This is on any ws that can make use out of the TP bonus. You seem to be hung up on it only being useful for NIN, and that just isn't the case.

Ok so Ninjutsu don't count none then cuz TP bonus just gave ya Rudra's dmg? To each thier own but I think I made my point.

You really didn't. Everyone else did, though.

No, you expressed your opinion.

Also, what the hell does the first sentence mean?

I weapon skill far more than I cast magic, ninjutsu included. Is that what you're fishing for?

My original point holds, TP Bonus in the earring slot at a value of 250 TP is too good to pass up if you have melee jobs that can make good use of it.

Insta casting a little bit more often doesn't compare to the dps increase. It's not measurable, it's just my opinion. You can try to discount my opinion all you want Akson, but you won't do it.

Yes. I read. TP Bonus 30~60? wsa pts is Game Breaking and if you're not using it then you ain't doing it "Right". Of course not.

That's correct. NIN is a DD, and if you're not doing all you can to maximize your performance in that role, you are not doing it right.

Again, more opinion.

TP moonshade is better dps wise. Period. This is proven fact. FWYH

Im going by spreads not opinions.
I agree 110% except for the fact I have other jobs just as important as my Nagi NIN. I'm pretty sure TP bonus never turned NIN into a DD and never will nor is lacking TP bonus gonna drop me below sub DD levels.

You've mentioned multiple times that it is a DPS increase, so I'd love to know what spreadsheets you're using that tell you it's not a DPS increase while simultaneously being a DPS increase.

Wait did you just Utsusemi your own post? I'm seeing double of the same dribble.

Edit: NVM, I saw where you had adjusted your post

Moonshade is quite good for Blade: Shun, like gdiSHUN proved on these boards and like you can test yourself.
For Hi it's not insane like for Rudra or Resolution, but it's still quite a nice dps boost. Smaller boost, but still best option for Hi iir.