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 Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-05-20 12:33:40
Allelujah said: I see where you are coming from. lol @ me.
i was adding trait 1 and 2, didnt know if they stacked or if it just added. i was adding 20+24.
thanks~ Lol thatd be so rediculously overpowered just imagine what a blm main would have
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By Ramuh.Miemo 2009-05-20 13:04:47
Lemme know if anything going down off event in Sea. Not like im busy anyways..!
Blm and Rdm at your service.
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By Seraph.Allelujah 2009-05-20 13:12:53
just hoped it would have lol. ; ;
i hate inside sea... outside is cool.
how does everyone else fight JoL?
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-05-20 13:14:55
Rowland said: 1k sidewinders  This was my first Sidewinder on an unmeritted, just-reached-75 RNG/WAR. A 1k Sidewinder would make me cry. That being said, you have a point. DO NOT use Trueflight. It *** sucks just like 90% of the Mythic WSs.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-05-20 13:17:20
Enternius said: Rowland said: 1k sidewinders This was my first Sidewinder on an unmeritted, just-reached-75 RNG/WAR. A 1k Sidewinder would make me cry. That being said, you have a point. DO NOT use Trueflight. It *** sucks just like 90% of the Mythic WSs. You arent always fighting birds im sure it has its uses I mean its the same thing as the cor one and that one is pretty good
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By Asura.Yotevol 2009-05-20 13:21:30
Allelujah said: just hoped it would have lol. ; ;
i hate inside sea... outside is cool.
how does everyone else fight JoL? Take a minimum of 6 BLMs to Thundaga III the pops. Have 2 PLD/NINs as tanks with magic/elemental magic def build. Bring a BRD and RDM for each party and 2 WHMs. Bring the rest as DDs. Pop JoL and wait for 30 min till auto-regen of 500hp/tic (or some ungodly number) to wear off. Once it wears, DDs in and BLMs continue to nuke spawns. ~Yote
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By Seraph.Allelujah 2009-05-20 13:23:15
didn't say i was planning to use trueflight on piercing mobs. it CAN be good. with the right amount of gear.
and no offense. any ranger can break 3k damage with a bard + cor combo.
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-05-20 13:25:49
In theory, the only reason it's good is because it can't miss. But think about it for a second. Most RNGs will already have Archery fully geared, and switching to something as crappy as a Crossbow or Gun will mess with your damage right off the bat, so that alone is enough to deter it even warranting an effort.
Then on top of that, RNGs already carry around R.ATK, R.ACC, and MND sets. Are you really trying to imply that it's worth gearing up another set for a WS that's mediocre at best.
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By Seraph.Allelujah 2009-05-20 13:30:11
Yotevol said: Allelujah said: just hoped it would have lol. ; ;
i hate inside sea... outside is cool.
how does everyone else fight JoL? Take a minimum of 6 BLMs to Thundaga III the pops. Have 2 PLD/NINs as tanks with magic/elemental magic def build. Bring a BRD and RDM for each party and 2 WHMs. Bring the rest as DDs. Pop JoL and wait for 30 min till auto-regen of 500hp/tic (or some ungodly number) to wear off. Once it wears, DDs in and BLMs continue to nuke spawns. ~Yote I've done it a few different ways. BLM outparty for adds. KC/OC/MK drk's rape it with healing support. PLD/(nin/rdm/drk) tanks. or for other dd's we have had a full time ranger party on it and war and sam's full time melee. I personally like the kc drk way. :)
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By Ramuh.Kiriyu 2009-05-20 13:30:24
Miemo said: Lemme know if anything going down off event in Sea. Not like im busy anyways..!
Blm and Rdm at your service. Wanna come help for some Ix'DRG fun?! :O
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By Shiva.Artemicion 2009-05-20 13:34:11
Enternius said: In theory, the only reason it's good is because it can't miss. But think about it for a second. Most RNGs will already have Archery fully geared, and switching to something as crappy as a Crossbow or Gun will mess with your damage right off the bat, so that alone is enough to deter it even warranting an effort.
Then on top of that, RNGs already carry around R.ATK, R.ACC, and MND sets. Are you really trying to imply that it's worth gearing up another set for a WS that's mediocre at best. I think the main point of trueflight is that it's not physical and does not rely on base damage or ranged accuracy or attack. But instead depends solely on AGI (easy to stack) and MAB (not so much). This would and should only be used on something that is extremely physical resistant or incredibly weak to light based damage. Such as elementals, or when something uses r.atk shield.
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By Seraph.Allelujah 2009-05-20 13:36:47
None of my jobs are gimp lol.
simply, i am going to do further tests on trueflight using those MAB gears- since i have access to easily obtain all of it.
With the satchel out- yes it is easy to carry all of the gear. I'm a strict bow user. I love raping ***with kraken club and sidewinder, but after reading about trueflight w/ mab I was like wth I'll try it~ since my blm gear can be used with it. 1% damage per 1 MAB intrigues me. Only would use the ws when physical damage is nulled.
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By Ramuh.Miemo 2009-05-20 13:39:30
Kiriyu said: Miemo said: Lemme know if anything going down off event in Sea. Not like im busy anyways..!
Blm and Rdm at your service. Wanna come help for some Ix'DRG fun?! :O I'm Game^^ Grab me whenever :)
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-05-20 13:39:51
Enternius said: In theory, the only reason it's good is because it can't miss. But think about it for a second. Most RNGs will already have Archery fully geared, and switching to something as crappy as a Crossbow or Gun will mess with your damage right off the bat, so that alone is enough to deter it even warranting an effort.
Then on top of that, RNGs already carry around R.ATK, R.ACC, and MND sets. Are you really trying to imply that it's worth gearing up another set for a WS that's mediocre at best. Its not the acc that makes it interesting so much as the rather consistent dmg of magical wss. Not to mention its ignoring weapon dmg so doing the machine xbow spam wont hurt its ws dmg. And for that matter gun will always do more ws dmg then a bow. But im sure theres been fights were people have just said no to rng cause of its unaffectiveness. Some mobs defensive stats are just crazy but if its anywhere near as consistent as say atonement it has rediculous potential for some fights
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-05-20 13:41:11
Atonement has a hard cap. I don't think it's such a good idea to hope for that with True Flight.
It has its uses, sure, but it's not worth gearing up. That's what I'm trying to say.
So a mob is resistant to Physical damage. Does that mean you go out of your way to gear Shadow of Death on DRK?
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By Ramuh.Miemo 2009-05-20 13:41:18
Rowland said: Krissy, go get me a Vali's Bow prz Is what im camping atm lol. I'll give ya ToD if he pops while im here.
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By Ramuh.Miemo 2009-05-20 13:43:52
lol I hope you attacked her back :)
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By Ramuh.Miemo 2009-05-20 13:46:14
XD
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-05-20 13:46:27
Enternius said: Atonement has a hard cap. I don't think it's such a good idea to hope for that with True Flight.
It has its uses, sure, but it's not worth gearing up. That's what I'm trying to say.
So a mob is resistant to Physical damage. Does that mean you go out of your way to gear Shadow of Death on DRK? Your comparison fails due to the insane suckiness of the ws you describe. Dont knock it till you try it. It shows potential why write it off just cause you can epeen much higher under the right circumstances. I've seen some pretty good work being done with leaden salute. And if you look at it it has tp multipliers that are almost as high as side/slug
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By Seraph.Allelujah 2009-05-20 13:53:16
/clap dasva
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-05-20 13:57:21
Dasva said: Enternius said: Atonement has a hard cap. I don't think it's such a good idea to hope for that with True Flight.
It has its uses, sure, but it's not worth gearing up. That's what I'm trying to say.
So a mob is resistant to Physical damage. Does that mean you go out of your way to gear Shadow of Death on DRK? Your comparison fails due to the insane suckiness of the ws you describe. Dont knock it till you try it. It shows potential why write it off just cause you can epeen much higher under the right circumstances. I've seen some pretty good work being done with leaden salute. And if you look at it it has tp multipliers that are almost as high as side/slug TP mods don't determine how much damage a WS does >.> Guillotine has .875 Modifier, and Cross Reaper has 2.0. Does that guarantee Cross Reaper will do more? Again, I'm not saying it doesn't have its uses. But gearing a job for something that goes specifically AGAINST the gear/merits you would put into a job just doesn't make that much sense to me. It's like gearing BLM for melee. Edit: And I'm sick of people defaulting to calling people out for "epeen" just because someone did something better than someone else.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-05-20 13:59:04
Sorry just tired of no one even willing to unlock it or even try it. For that matter I'm tired of all these rngs that don't even lvl marksmanship. Back in the day 90% of the good rngs were marksmanship only. So what if some of the stupid aht urghan camps have light resistant mobs. Granted I refuse to merit pt anymore solo all the way... and even if I did I wouldn't base my way of playing around them. Merits are just a means to an ends for me. That being to fight hard ***better.
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By Shiva.Artemicion 2009-05-20 14:00:56
Enternius said:
TP mods don't determine how much damage a WS does >.>
Guillotine has .875 Modifier, and Cross Reaper has 2.0. Does that guarantee Cross Reaper will do more?
Assuming Guillotine was a single hit WS. Yes.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-05-20 14:01:19
Enternius said: Dasva said: Enternius said: Atonement has a hard cap. I don't think it's such a good idea to hope for that with True Flight.
It has its uses, sure, but it's not worth gearing up. That's what I'm trying to say.
So a mob is resistant to Physical damage. Does that mean you go out of your way to gear Shadow of Death on DRK? Your comparison fails due to the insane suckiness of the ws you describe. Dont knock it till you try it. It shows potential why write it off just cause you can epeen much higher under the right circumstances. I've seen some pretty good work being done with leaden salute. And if you look at it it has tp multipliers that are almost as high as side/slug TP mods don't determine how much damage a WS does >.> Guillotine has .875 Modifier, and Cross Reaper has 2.0. Does that guarantee Cross Reaper will do more? Again, I'm not saying it doesn't have its uses. But gearing a job for something that goes specifically AGAINST the gear/merits you would put into a job just doesn't make that much sense to me. It's like gearing BLM for melee. Im starting to think your purposely using horrible examples guillotine does more cause that modifier is only for the first hit and it has twice as many hits as cross reaper. Now try again with ws that have the same amount of hits. And it goes nothing against merits. Itd be closer to gearing blm for macc instead of all out dmg
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-05-20 14:04:07
Well since I'm purposely using horrible examples, give me a good example.
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By Diabolos.Cassi 2009-05-20 14:10:35
Rowland said: Cassie attacked me. RAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRR@
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