The Last Dance: Gearing Paradigms For A New Age

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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-01-02 18:33:46
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+2 those tights.
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By mortontony1 2012-01-02 18:41:05
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I'm just waiting for my LS to start doing empy weapon NM runs again then I will. But in the time being?
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-01-02 18:42:12
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Okay, well 1351/1418 = 95.28% +/- 1.6% (halved the sample size to compensate for only half the hits coming from Coruscanti)

Still, it looks like Coruscanti's Crit rate affects both hands. This makes me wonder about Senju and stuff.

3064 attacks @90% crit rate with Coruscanti Offhand:

Melee Crit Damage
Player #Crit C.Low/Hi C-0.Avg Crit%
Sylow 2921 14/482 209.74 95.33 %

I think it's a pretty safe bet that it's affecting both hands.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2012-01-02 18:58:35
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Wow, that dagger might be stronger than level 90 Twashtar.

13 delay vs. 1 base damage and 5% crit rate to both hands.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-01-02 18:59:14
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I think it will be without a doubt once they fix whatever Severe Damage means.

I'm wondering if it makes a better offhand than STR Thokcha now, though, assuming you need Rudra's for some reason.
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By Fenrir.Yuriki 2012-01-02 19:04:05
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
I think it will be without a doubt once they fix whatever Severe Damage means.

I'm wondering if it makes a better offhand than STR Thokcha now, though, assuming you need Rudra's for some reason.

I'm wondering about Coru vs. Fire Thok as well. I wish we knew about the severe dmg.

There is a GS with severe dmg during WS or SC. Do we know if that works? Could explain what Coru severe does.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-01-02 19:06:05
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"Anecdotally"

Severe damage was quadruple damage and had a decent proc-rate (around 10% apparently). SUPPOSEDLY it at some point worked on the test server. But I've seen no evidence of this.

Assuming that's true, it's basically equivalent to permanent LV1 Twashtar aftermath.


(10% OQD == 30% ODD)
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By Asura.Vrytreya 2012-01-02 21:28:05
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Hmmm things getting weirder again...
We previously started getting anomally where inital WS fTP affects all hit like Jishnu's now we see it more and more.
We established in the old days where weapon critical hit rate +% only affects strictly the crit hit rate coming from that weapon, then we got Coruscanti.
I'm really interested in this dagger now.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-01-02 21:31:34
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Also, apparently "when it worked" it also proc'd on WS. >_>
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By Asura.Vrytreya 2012-01-02 21:32:23
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Main hit only? Could it also work on subsequent hits?
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-01-02 21:34:43
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Who knows, like I said, I never saw the testing. I'm just telling you what I've heard. I'd assume it would be on a per-hit basis.
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By Foldypaws 2012-01-02 21:50:44
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Huh, I wonder if the Lux Pugio also affects off hand then. I think I can test it on THF.

(Not sure I can get my crit rate sans dagger between 96 and 99 on DNC)


Edit:

Seems to be true on lux pugio as well.

On THF. Lux main/ STR Kila +3 offhand.

GH RR DD, EMP +2 pants. Should be 99% crit rate before dagger. 425 swings (so ~210 with offhand) still no non-crit. Only a 12% chance of that happening if it doesn't affect off hand.

If someone can easily swing a 96% crit rate before dagger they could do a more powerful test.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-01-02 21:55:39
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Kacura Subligar +1 is +1% lol

For THF, the feet are good for Evisceration anyway, and uh
They're +2%
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By Fenrir.Yuriki 2012-01-03 08:45:05
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What are your thoughts on the Oce Head+1? It seems to be an amazing piece for Evis, Rudra, and Exe. I don't THINK I've seen a better head piece yet. Worth the 9m or is there anything better? Thanks :D
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-01-03 09:23:14
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It's rarely worth it to use Rudra without Climactic, so O+1 won't see any use there.

Agi, str, and attack all matter for Exenterator, and you're usually required to make sacrifices toward one direction. For any target with measureable defense, I think Cuauhtli Headpiece +1 is a better choice, versus EP mobs, fodder trash, or in cases where your attack is extremely buffed (bersserk, building flourish etc) O+1 will probably pull way out in front.

Worth the 9m? Probably never. Ideal in some situations? Yeah, but NQ will function just fine.
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By Fenrir.Yuriki 2012-01-03 11:20:57
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***, I sound like an idiot. Sorry, I meant Rudra's unstacked. I know I know, but I do use unstacked Rudra's sometimes, usually when I'm doing something boring like spamming trash mobs and I end up with 300 TP. 90 seconds of ODD is nice. But even bored I'll still switch to my WS set so that's why I ask about Rudra's.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-01-03 11:41:12
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Yeah, I figured. Still, I mentioned it not for your sake but for the sake of others lurking for info.

At this point, on trash mobs, I'm probably going to start main-handing Coruscanti, so I'll have even fewer reasons to ever use an unstacked Rudra's. ^^

Rudra's is still amazing for VW though! As soon as my friend finishes his Mjöllnir I'll actually be able to farm for HMPs, so hopefully in a few months I'll have my 95 Twashtar :)

Regardless, I usually find that if I have 300 TP, CF is usually up so I tend to use it to see pretty numbers instead of going unstacked, lol.
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By Fenrir.Yuriki 2012-01-03 12:56:23
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Same for the last bit. I'll only shoot it unstacked at 300 if CF is down or the mob is 30% HP or so. The paranoid part of me hates wasting CF on trash because I always think "what is a NM pops right now? I'll want to CF it!" One of those "kill any NM that you see up if it's not a trial mob" kinda things.

Generally I'm not bored on DNC though, so most of this goes out the window.

I was loving CF-R on Qilin. Feels good to have aggro with ukko wars and calad drks around.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2012-01-03 14:49:22
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Got a Potestas Bomblet to go with my Rancor Mantle. Took me many many fewer kills than the mantle. Mantle took me about 3500 kills. Potestas took me ~1000 or less.

For the love of god, just buy it off AH if someone is dumb enough to sell it.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-01-03 15:25:34
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Got a Potestas Bomblet to go with my Rancor Mantle. Took me many many fewer kills than the mantle. Mantle took me about 3500 kills. Potestas took me ~1000 or less.

For the love of god, just buy it off AH if someone is dumb enough to sell it.

This ^
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-01-05 21:33:36
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As an FYI, Evisceration generally (and largely) outperforms Exenterator in Voidwatch if you have Champion's Drink on.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2012-01-06 00:27:18
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
As an FYI, Evisceration generally (and largely) outperforms Exenterator in Voidwatch if you have Champion's Drink on.


so for voidwatch, is twashtar even really worth it? or is double x2 STR thokcha's ideal a reasonable alternative?
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By Asura.Armonia 2012-01-06 00:31:37
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I love all the data so far im a Career Dnc just getting back into the game so i missed out on ALOT from back when i was 75, im re-doing all my gear builds based on advise so far given.

Tp is locked.
WS build is in the works once I deiced which WS i wanna stick with so far im getting Evisceration in Aby, Ruda's outside? I really would rather use PK but i guess it fell behind since times of 75 plus my DE always does more it seems.

Long story short, im curious if your ganna do a section on Evasion/tanking sets.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-01-06 00:39:27
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Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn said: »
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
As an FYI, Evisceration generally (and largely) outperforms Exenterator in Voidwatch if you have Champion's Drink on.


so for voidwatch, is twashtar even really worth it? or is double x2 STR thokcha's ideal a reasonable alternative?

The ability to keep up 300TP aftermath, and pump out 3k+ weaponskills when Climactic is up really makes you worth bringing. Without that, you're severely neutered.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-01-06 00:40:03
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Asura.Armonia said: »
I love all the data so far im a Career Dnc just getting back into the game so i missed out on ALOT from back when i was 75, im re-doing all my gear builds based on advise so far given.

Tp is locked.
WS build is in the works once I deiced which WS i wanna stick with so far im getting Evisceration in Aby, Ruda's outside? I really would rather use PK but i guess it fell behind since times of 75 plus my DE always does more it seems.

Long story short, im curious if your ganna do a section on Evasion/tanking sets.


Yeah, if you check the item sets on my page, there are previews from sections that aren't here yet.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-01-06 00:43:43
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Asura.Armonia said: »
Aby, Ruda's outside? I really would rather use PK but i guess it fell behind since times of 75 plus my DE always does more it seems.
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Exenterator!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2012-01-06 00:44:18
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Asura.Armonia said: »
I love all the data so far im a Career Dnc just getting back into the game so i missed out on ALOT from back when i was 75, im re-doing all my gear builds based on advise so far given.

Tp is locked.
WS build is in the works once I deiced which WS i wanna stick with so far im getting Evisceration in Aby, Ruda's outside? I really would rather use PK but i guess it fell behind since times of 75 plus my DE always does more it seems.

Long story short, im curious if your ganna do a section on Evasion/tanking sets.


here's one i just threw together



each thokcha gives 20~ evasion so you get
37 +20 +20 ~ 77 eva plus some agi
25% haste (1% off)
and 27 subtle blow

you can make some swaps around in there, not really sure what to use for a back piece. In abyssea this will probably be overkill and you can swap the weapons out for something else. Outside abyssea it depends on what your doing.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2012-01-06 00:44:44
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ohh yeah sylo beat me to the post, ill check out his eva sets
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2012-01-06 00:47:31
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kk, im on the glavoid step of my twashtar, sooooooo i just wanted to know more about it thx!
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By Asura.Armonia 2012-01-06 01:39:37
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Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn said: »

here's one i just threw together



each thokcha gives 20~ evasion so you get
37 +20 +20 ~ 77 eva plus some agi
25% haste (1% off)
and 27 subtle blow

you can make some swaps around in there, not really sure what to use for a back piece. In abyssea this will probably be overkill and you can swap the weapons out for something else. Outside abyssea it depends on what your doing.

I came up with this:



Yes/no/maybe/suggestions?
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