The Last Dance: Gearing Paradigms For A New Age

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By Phoenix.Lillicarnage 2012-03-28 01:32:51
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I dunno, I have never liked the black jambiyas.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-03-28 01:35:50
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2012-03-28 01:41:08
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Haha, wow. My server sucks then. Ours are 500k -> 1mil -> 2mil with 3 up.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-28 01:44:43
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Sounds like TToF needs to join KampKweh instead of the other way around!
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-28 01:56:00
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Just beasted Aht Urghan T1s. They were pathetic.

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By mortontony1 2012-03-28 01:56:55
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Was working with Verus +1s and Oyonos for so long. Grabbed on on Fen for 700(800?)k which isn't too bad. Even for crit dmg +3 that's not that expansive, I've paid a lot more for a lot less. Overall I'll probably do that and str knife once I get to that. Probably over spring break get it done. Any idea if that/str would be 90 twash/str(or new knife)? Planning on getting 99 twash but for the long painful time it's stuck at 90, what would be better?

Edit: Also, what about the full Thaumas set for Exen? All but body have agi on them, around 10 each I think, and the 5/5 set bonus would give 15 more..
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By Fupafighters 2012-03-28 02:15:21
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mortontony1 said: »
Was working with Verus +1s and Oyonos for so long. Grabbed on on Fen for 700(800?)k which isn't too bad. Even for crit dmg +3 that's not that expansive, I've paid a lot more for a lot less. Overall I'll probably do that and str knife once I get to that. Probably over spring break get it done. Any idea if that/str would be 90 twash/str(or new knife)? Planning on getting 99 twash but for the long painful time it's stuck at 90, what would be better?

Edit: Also, what about the full Thaumas set for Exen? All but body have agi on them, around 10 each I think, and the 5/5 set bonus would give 15 more..
Hell, looking at it. I would say do 5/5 for exent. Maybe do 4/5 and use athos body, but then again your getting all that multi attack for the loss of 10 agi
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-28 02:24:46
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5/5 Thaumas for Exenterator.

Ignoring any new gear, that is. I haven't really looked at it much.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-28 02:43:11
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Kudzu Aketon and Tessera Saio are both worth looking at.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-28 02:48:17
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Tessera > Kudzu > Thaumas if 4/5 in other slots just looking at the gear.
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By Fenrir.Kut 2012-03-28 02:51:25
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I did the Qutrub NM that drops the dagger today, I would bet nearly half of the alliance had the dagger by the end of just those 4 pops. I mediocre parsed it to have around 5,100,000 HP but mule might have been out of range and missed some damage, so it can be a lengthy fight but over all he isn't very damaging at all. One fight we went around 5-7 minutes solely on Grellow procs and had maybe 1 mage death. Basically, don't be paying out the *** for this dagger, it's definitely a very common drop.
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By Fupafighters 2012-03-28 02:59:13
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
Tessera > Kudzu > Thaumas if 4/5 in other slots just looking at the gear.
Guess it all depends if you want to see higher spike damage 5/5 with 5/5 thaumas lol. But for more consistent damage, yes, yes new bodies will win.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-28 03:03:08
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why do people think "consistency" matters?
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2012-03-28 08:40:52
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Because it does.

Lets say you're WSing a monster that has 1500 HP left and you have two weapon skills. One is like Rudra's, high fTP on the first hit and an offhand. The other is like Exenterator, flat fTP and lots of hits. They both average 2000 damage. Which one do you use?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2012-03-28 11:41:50
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
why do people think "consistency" matters?

I didn't answer this because I think he isn't serious, or if he is, it's a trap question!

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By Bahamut.Serj 2012-03-28 11:47:18
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Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
why do people think "consistency" matters?

I didn't answer this because I think she isn't serious, or if she is, it's a trap question!

XD

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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-03-28 12:07:36
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So, what is the general consensus of STR-Thokcha vs Aluh Jambiya as an off-hand to Twashtar?

For the Jambiya:
Pros:
High damage
DPS is greater than Thokcha
Crit Dmg+3%
Jambiya models are my favorite (mostly irrelevant)

Cons:
Slightly less STR/ATK
Higher delay
VIT-10 if you really want to get technical

Without considering the DMG/delay, STR Thokcha has better stats for Exent spam, but Aluh I would think would be better for stacking Rudra (or Mercy Stroke for those THF that might check this thread).
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2012-03-28 12:16:44
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Bahamut.Serj said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
why do people think "consistency" matters?

I didn't answer this because I think she isn't serious, or if she is, it's a trap question!

XD

ftfy

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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-28 15:44:25
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Because it does.

Lets say you're WSing a monster that has 1500 HP left and you have two weapon skills. One is like Rudra's, high fTP on the first hit and an offhand. The other is like Exenterator, flat fTP and lots of hits. They both average 2000 damage. Which one do you use?
I was saying that more so to "I wanna lower my WS average so i can see similar numbers every time." not "Which WS to choose in a particular situation."
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-03-28 16:00:32
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Even in that specific scenario there's almost always other considerations that come into play. I'd still use Rudra's if I was going to immediately engage a new mob and could thus benefit from aftermath. If I'm not reengaging then Exenterator has a second factor going for it: less JA delay as a byproduct of not needing to activate Climactic beforehand.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2012-03-28 17:03:22
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If it was actually Rudra's Storm that I was talking about, it would be different. The point of the example was that consistency matters. You have 100TP and can choose between killing the monster 99.9% of the time or 95% of the time based purely on the consistency of your weaponskills.

As another example, lets say you're doing Dynamis - Sandy and have an Orc NM at 50% HP with 100TP and 5 FMs. Do you use Climactic Rudra's -> Rudra's or Climatic Rudra's -> Evisceration? It will die either way, but if it doesn't die then it will TP (<25% HP remaining) and potentially charmga you.

Smart money isn't always on the option that overkills the most.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-28 17:24:35
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About to use my last free voidstone QQ;
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-03-28 17:30:33
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
If it was actually Rudra's Storm that I was talking about, it would be different.
Well, that was kind of my point. How many jobs actually have two high-impact WS differentiated purely by spike potential rather than average output, with zero additional factors such as aftermath?

If you're talking gear, as was the intent of the original discussion, you're still netting a loss by using a "consistency" choice with weaker average damage unless you've got multiple sets constructed for this very purpose and you're using them accurately.

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Smart money isn't always on the option that overkills the most.
I don't think anyone is actually arguing otherwise.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-28 17:38:33
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Still wasn't what I was talking about. I don't understand why people would use a piece of gear for "consistency" when it would average less than something else.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-03-28 18:00:35
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There is no point for it. A higher average across a range of several weaponskills will always be superior to more consistent weaponskills except for in very few rare situations.
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By Phoenix.Lillicarnage 2012-03-28 21:47:56
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I usually go for consistency because I have shitty luck with spikey damage averages. I would say that on average my average averages are lower than the average averages of the average player.
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By mortontony1 2012-03-28 22:18:44
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Phoenix.Lillicarnage said: »
I usually go for consistency

So how's that 3% TA on Epona's?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-03-28 22:31:33
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Phoenix.Lillicarnage said: »
I usually go for consistency because I have shitty luck with spikey damage averages. I would say that on average my average averages are lower than the average averages of the average player.

You don't seem to know what an average is. Over time it will equal more damage. It isn't something that you can eyeball.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-28 22:38:16
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I just go for highest average. *shrug*
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By Shiva.Keyera 2012-03-28 22:44:59
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Any idea for the usage of the new dagger for a non-twash user? I mostly just proc h04r in dynamis and am wondering if this might be worthwhile in any way.
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