The Last Dance: Gearing Paradigms For A New Age

Outside Abyssea with Climactic, I think this:
Twashtar/TP Bonus/_____/Charis
AF3+2/Justiciar's/TP Bonus+Atk/Brutal
Athos's/Athos's/Thundersoul/Thundersoul
Atheling/Cuchulain's/Athos's/Thaumas

Maybe Jupiter's Pearl is better than Brutal and Nifty may be better than Atheling in some situations. Love may also be better than Justiciar's in some situations (but not ones that you'd really want to care about CF-Rudra's for).

Without Climactic:
Twashtar/TP Bonus/______/Potestas
Ocelo +1/Justiciar/TP Bonus+Atk/Brutal
Toci's/Athos's/Thundersoul/Epona's
Atheling/Cuchulain's/Tumbler's/Thaumas

Edit:
If you want to see what I actually use, I think my sets are up to date. Also, this thread is Sylow's baby and he has done all the work on it. I just post here sometimes.

Double Edit:
Thaumas feet -> Athos's feet -> AF3+2

Hmmm so you wouldn't use thundersoul/epona's when climactic is up? Or is having more DEX with CF going to give that much more of a boost? And in what situations would nifty > atheling? I'll probably count out thaumas for a while (forever) as I will Toci's.

When I finish I'll probably be at:

Twash/TP bonus/___/charis
Charis/justiciars/Flock/Brutal
Loki/Athos/Thundersoul/Rajas
Atheling/Cuch/tumbler/Athos

Questions with those would be: would it be better to use flock/thunderpearl or flock/aesir if CF is up? (havent redone WOTG earring yet). And since you suggested 2X thundersoul rings wouldn't artful belt/+1 be better than Cuchs?

I think I just wrote whatever the spreadsheet pooped out as the "best option" the last time I played with it.

Tradeoffs:
Artful Belt +1 is 4 DEX for 10 Attack.
Nifty Mantle would be 5 DEX for 11 attack and 3% DA.
Rajas Ring (outside Abyssea) would be essentially +2-3 attack and the same base damage as a Thundersoul (if you weren't fSTR capped already).
Thunder Pearl, Flock, Delta, and Pixie earrings are 7 attack/3 CTP for 3 DEX

From your build, the one thing I can say for sure is that you'd be better off with a TP Bonus/Attack Moonshade than Flock.

Even though I posted in here before I never actually said it- I love all you fabulous~ dancers. This thread motivated me to get off my butt and work on gear I'd been too lazy to do.

Tagging along and watching dawnn fight glavoid today has given me some hope on maybe someday finishing twashtar, even though I was apparently panicking all through the fight

Is Twashtar 85 even a contender these days? Honest question. I'd assume dual STR Thokcha would be anywhere from better to indiscernibly close to it at this point. Even if it does edge it out, the amount of time - and by extension, money - put into soloing one of the most arduous Empyrean paths could be similarly put into spamming Qilin which, while notoriously unfulfilling, must on average put out a dagger or ten in the time it would take a dancer to wipe out ~75 total Glavoids and Itzapopanlockits.

From what I understand Twash is more for aftermath and solo dark SCs which if you didn't count I'm sure dual STR would win, but with them I have no idea. Not an expert, so I'll let one take over from here.

Many level 85 (and 90) Empyreans are no longer "worth it." Twashtar (90)'s only competition is really Coruscanti and a STR Thokcha, which makes it one of the fortunate ones. Coruscanti is probably better than it, and the STR Thokcha is going to be competitive in some situations.

Compare level 90 Farsha to the level 99 STR Axe though...

Eh:
D74, 11 STR, 22 Attack vs. D74, 10 STR

Same Delay. That's a lot of Bukhis wings and Alfard Fangs to miss out on 1 STR and 22 Attack.

But nobody has ever made a Farsha with serious intent of doing damage.

I hope.

Twashtar poo's all over all others for dancer..unless of course you don't like to SC or take advantage of aftermath lvl 3 with the insane delay/saber dance we have.

From a soloist's perspective, then, Twashtar really doesn't seem reasonable. The money certainly, and most likely the time one would put into a 90 Twashtar is heavily in favor of just setting up shop in Tu'lia.

How does one stray from such a compelling argument.. My mind is at ease.

Kannagi (85): D52/210 delay, 10 AGI, Blade: Hi (and Aftermath)
STR/Atk Katana: D50/201 delay, 11 STR, 22 Attack (Blade: Shun)

The latter one is very likely better outside Abyssea.


Redemption (90): D136, 502 delay, 10 STR
STR/Atk Scythe: D142, 513 delay, 11 STR, 26 Attack

Sad part is that the OAT Scythe is better than both, and the OAT GS is really the one you should use.


Caladbolg (90): D120, 430 delay, Torcleaver (worse than Resolution)
STR/Atk GS: D123, 444 delay, 11 STR, 26 Atk

STR/Atk one is better, and again the OAT GS is the best of the above 4 options.




A lot of empyreans that are cockblocked by the HMP trials are really not worth using over other alternatives.

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Do you guys even take advantage of aftermath lol? It is very potent at level 3 :P

At least they're going to be more reasonable to get now that we'll be able to clear floor 80 200 times to get them!

I am aware that there is a 50% chance of ODD when you use Rudra's at 300 TP.
Of course, this implies that you are consistently using Rudra's at 300 TP.

Which is great for situations where it's reasonable to keep up AM3. Unfortunately, those situations are Voidwatch, Voidwatch, and Voidwatch.

itt: We ws only at 300tp

Also, Sylow, unfortunately they specifically said that the voucher system won't let you "trade up" for level 100 gear, I think. The stopper should really make 100 viable, though.

I would agree that for a soloist, you should probably just do Thokchas.

But you should have also just leveled BST and been invincible!

I'm a little confused what you mean by setting up shop in Tu'Lia, though!

Dynamis usually allows you to keep aftermath up. Via your stuck there trying to proc stupid bats and kraken lol, thus building tp. And there are other methods to take full advantage of rudra. Have you guys tried evisceration --> reverse flourish ---> box step climactic ---> rudra. It one shots all dyna mobs.

I think they said you'd be able to, but they were going to make it such that there was actually a reason to shoot for 100. So basically it'll work like this:


1.) Set your goal for 100
2.) If ***goes down, shoot for 80 and get an 80 credit.

That's kind of a fundamental misunderstanding of how to do Dynamis. You should be WSing while you're proccing, not waiting to proc so yo ucan WS. Also, the order you gave wouldn't give you AM3.

Maybe it's just me... but I'm not so fortunate on procing on every JA like some people. Alot of times it takes 7-8 JA. And with the slim picking of monsters, i would rather not kill them fast to move on to next one.

This is unrelated, but there's a JP shouting in Port Jeuno right now with the name "Transrate" and it made me smile. <3

But it does make rudra a little more potent than str thokcha just from that alone.

And that's why I constantly see many dnc failing with their twashtars...because they don't take full advantage of what they created.

Qilin? <.<

I think this still stands if you're just using DNC as a job to solo ***or *** around on: