Tachi: Shoha
Tachi: Shoha
Fudo's only use is putting up Aftermath.
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Smurfite said: »
Come talk to me when you actually know something about the weapons you are talking about, and the weaponskills, its plain to see you have no clue, enjoy wiffing fudo, and doing less damage than shoha when you actually do land your ws.
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Fudo's only use is putting up Aftermath.
Fudo at 300 tp, and shoha til AM wears. 85 Masa still pulls ahead in situations with high TP overflow like VW. I thought this was common knowledge by now >_<.
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Odin.Eikechi said: »
Fudo at 300 tp, and shoha til AM wears. 85 Masa still pulls ahead in situations with high TP overflow like VW. I thought this was common knowledge by now >_<.
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Siren.Fupafighters said: »
Odin.Eikechi said: »
Fudo at 300 tp, and shoha til AM wears. 85 Masa still pulls ahead in situations with high TP overflow like VW. I thought this was common knowledge by now >_<.
I don't even have the tp bonus earring, but there are 2 +50 tp bonus atmaciates, so yeah...
Maybe I didn't word my question correctly, but how exactly does the Aftermath effect work on Masamune? Can anyone please clarify for me?
Ok Eikechi had posted before I finished writing that lol. Thanks, I got it now.
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Out of town until Friday so I'm on my phone of I'd pull he links up. JPwiki was the first to report it and was then tested by BG members.
Im getting Avant coming out ahead either way unless you are uncapped on ACC.
I don't know what has happened to this thread after the necro bump...
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Fudo's only use is putting up Aftermath.
It's actually really good if pdif is capped (not sure if all this is from a VW standpoint though where you are 100% right and would usually favor shoha and just fudo for aftermath)
Smurfite said: »
Im calling it superior to a 90 masamune, you are saying you cant compare an 85 weapon, that has higher base damage, and 10 str, to a 99 weapon, TP bonus + shoha will beat fudo everytime, and i never stated anything about a 95 masamune, I know that will beat out shoha with kanto, not in ws damage but in DOT. Cause as stated before, shoha > fudo.
If you never had to swing kanto it would be superior because it's shoha's are sexy but as soon as you have to swing the pissing thing it looses massive ground.
Smurfite said: »
Come talk to me when you actually know something about the weapons you are talking about, and the weaponskills, its plain to see you have no clue, enjoy wiffing fudo, and doing less damage than shoha when you actually do land your ws.
Smurfite said: »
Shoha = win. Fudo is nice for skillchains, but everyone I know including myself hates fudo. I have missed more fudo's than all other sam ws combined in the years I have the job.
WUT?
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Siren.Fupafighters said: »
Smurfite said: »
Come talk to me when you actually know something about the weapons you are talking about, and the weaponskills, its plain to see you have no clue, enjoy wiffing fudo, and doing less damage than shoha when you actually do land your ws.
I would even push it further, Great Katana isn't all there is, especially if we are talking weapons that aren't maxed out (bar Kanto).
Shoha with Kanto isn't anymore accurate than Fudo. That would be you. Unless that 1 tp return Shoha makes you happy.
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Someone do the math for us then lol. Tachi: shoha at an average of 275 tp capped attack vs tachi: fudo 175 tp attack caped.
85masa?
Edit: looks like its shoha with kanto vs fudo on masa? or are you talking both on the masa.
Edit: looks like its shoha with kanto vs fudo on masa? or are you talking both on the masa.
I'm not a math guy but from owning said weapons in the past I'd assume the 85 Fudo would be lesser than Shoha even with capped pDIF. I think the difference could be made up by aftermath, but even that is probably just breaking even with one another. Unless Fudo was making light I don't see a clear cut winner without some math. It's that close.
If you are gonna make a Masamune don't half-*** it. Invest in it. If you have no time/money to upgrade it then don't make one and start grinding Kanto trials.
If you are gonna make a Masamune don't half-*** it. Invest in it. If you have no time/money to upgrade it then don't make one and start grinding Kanto trials.
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No! I'm talking ATTACK caped only lol. W.o attack caped, there is no way fudo is worth using lol.
Kant: 105 200str 3.5ftp .85wsc
masa: 107 210 str 4.5ftp .51wsc
(105+200*.85+20)*3.5=1,032.5
(107+210*.51+20)*4.5=1,053.45
Fudo pulls ahead.
assumtions:capped fstr on both, 200str in ws set using same set for both WSs, no other stats counted cause I don't know ws gear well, and i'm pretty sure this has been in depth mathed like 100 times already.
Edit: i'm pretty sure multi attacks benefit shoha more, and I know wsc belts do if those are still used. That said, if you are counting the sam is using masamune, the tp you would WS with would be the same, so fudo would actually pull ahead more by a decent ammount.
masa: 107 210 str 4.5ftp .51wsc
(105+200*.85+20)*3.5=1,032.5
(107+210*.51+20)*4.5=1,053.45
Fudo pulls ahead.
assumtions:capped fstr on both, 200str in ws set using same set for both WSs, no other stats counted cause I don't know ws gear well, and i'm pretty sure this has been in depth mathed like 100 times already.
Edit: i'm pretty sure multi attacks benefit shoha more, and I know wsc belts do if those are still used. That said, if you are counting the sam is using masamune, the tp you would WS with would be the same, so fudo would actually pull ahead more by a decent ammount.
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
Kant: 105 200str 3.5ftp .85wsc
masa: 107 210 str 4.5ftp .51wsc
(105+200*.85+20)*3.5=1,032.5
(107+210*.51+20)*4.5=1,053.45
Fudo pulls ahead.
assumtions:capped fstr on both, 200str in ws set using same set for both WSs, no other stats counted cause I don't know ws gear well, and i'm pretty sure this has been in depth mathed like 100 times already.
Edit: i'm pretty sure multi attacks benefit shoha more, and I know wsc belts do if those are still used. That said, if you are counting the sam is using masamune, the tp you would WS with would be the same, so fudo would actually pull ahead more by a decent ammount.
masa: 107 210 str 4.5ftp .51wsc
(105+200*.85+20)*3.5=1,032.5
(107+210*.51+20)*4.5=1,053.45
Fudo pulls ahead.
assumtions:capped fstr on both, 200str in ws set using same set for both WSs, no other stats counted cause I don't know ws gear well, and i'm pretty sure this has been in depth mathed like 100 times already.
Edit: i'm pretty sure multi attacks benefit shoha more, and I know wsc belts do if those are still used. That said, if you are counting the sam is using masamune, the tp you would WS with would be the same, so fudo would actually pull ahead more by a decent ammount.
Yeah this horse has been dead since the saveTP nerf.
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
Kant: 105 200str 3.5ftp .85wsc
masa: 107 210 str 4.5ftp .51wsc
(105+200*.85+20)*3.5=1,032.5
(107+210*.51+20)*4.5=1,053.45
Fudo pulls ahead.
assumtions:capped fstr on both, 200str in ws set using same set for both WSs, no other stats counted cause I don't know ws gear well, and i'm pretty sure this has been in depth mathed like 100 times already.
Edit: i'm pretty sure multi attacks benefit shoha more, and I know wsc belts do if those are still used. That said, if you are counting the sam is using masamune, the tp you would WS with would be the same, so fudo would actually pull ahead more by a decent ammount.
masa: 107 210 str 4.5ftp .51wsc
(105+200*.85+20)*3.5=1,032.5
(107+210*.51+20)*4.5=1,053.45
Fudo pulls ahead.
assumtions:capped fstr on both, 200str in ws set using same set for both WSs, no other stats counted cause I don't know ws gear well, and i'm pretty sure this has been in depth mathed like 100 times already.
Edit: i'm pretty sure multi attacks benefit shoha more, and I know wsc belts do if those are still used. That said, if you are counting the sam is using masamune, the tp you would WS with would be the same, so fudo would actually pull ahead more by a decent ammount.
Yeah this horse has been dead since the saveTP nerf.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Fudo's only use is putting up Aftermath.
didn't fudo pull ahead when pdif is capped?
I only put fudo down since it was 85 with my eyeball powers, but it was close enough for a guess, I suppose. This is why I don't gamble lol.
On another note my friend is swearing by his OAT GK for dyna farming. Would anyone be so kind as to compare that to Kanto? Shoha on DC mobs.
On another note my friend is swearing by his OAT GK for dyna farming. Would anyone be so kind as to compare that to Kanto? Shoha on DC mobs.
Ragnarok.Daffel said: »
Smurfite said: »
Come talk to me when you actually know something about the weapons you are talking about, and the weaponskills, its plain to see you have no clue, enjoy wiffing fudo, and doing less damage than shoha when you actually do land your ws.
Smurfite said: »
Shoha = win. Fudo is nice for skillchains, but everyone I know including myself hates fudo. I have missed more fudo's than all other sam ws combined in the years I have the job.
WUT?
Beat me to it! All credibility took a nosedive out the window at this point.
Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Fudo's only use is putting up Aftermath.
didn't fudo pull ahead when pdif is capped?
Yes, if pDIF is capped, I haven't mathed it myself though, in my head they'd be closer due to Shoha's far higher WSC, but Fudo's fTP is much higher at 100~125TP than Shoha's which would make a bigger impact. Technically, I guess you wouldn't even need capped pDIF, just a high enough pDIF to where Shoha's ratio bonus is devalued enough to have Fudo's superior fTP take the lead.
But from my understanding Stardiver > fudo in those situations too right lol?
Pretty much... lol
I just hate that people think its shoha or gtfo.
in plenty of situations they're correct, but yeah. It's not always cut and dry.
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