Tachi: Shoha

Atheling over Unkai otherwise pretty much optimal ws set.

What I'm using currently.

Atheling really wins? O_o I would have figured that Unkai would win due to the STR+5. Interesting, I'll have to look into making that change for my Shoha set.

Keep in mind Shoha has a massive attack boost, which will possibly (almost likely) devalue attack in your ws sets, alongside the massive 100% str mod.

I can throw it in Kin's spreadsheet later if he has it updated if I can be bothered, but I'd think atheling would be worse than Unkai on average.

This is through kines spreadsheet and parsing, atheling wins, marginally

So if sea gorgets are the best neck for Shoha, I guess the 2m I just spent on a Justiciar's torque was a waste?

Absolutely

I'd be comparing it through different targets and with different buffs.

If it is so marginal, then screw the unkai back honestly. I'll still check it later.

I'd say so.

Although it may be a solid neck item for Tachi:Fudo and Tachi: Kaiten.

Well, I just finished Masamune 85, but considering that I only play on Xbox, I don't think I want to mess with extra macros to have a different WS set for Fudo if Shoha will just destroy it in damage.

So probably gonna sell the Justiciar's.

Keep in mind that if you're using Masamune, Shoha at 100% TP is probably have virtually no difference on mob you can cap attack your Fudo.

not sure if anyone has asked yet, but has anyone mathed out the boost to overwelm on relic domaru +2?

So Fudo is the same as Shoha on weaker mobs (non-VW)? I'm only 2/5 and haven't really used it.

I plan to when I come back on wed/thurs on the test server.

Unfortunately, it will take many hours of testing.

I'll post here when I find out the boost on it.

cool ty

To elaborate on what Serj said, there's no quick way to test it. I tried Spirits Within and magic WS but neither is affected by Overwhelm. Given that ranged WS are also not affected, this forces you to use normal physical WS. You're thus subject to the variability of the melee equations, which means you have to gather a significant sample size instead of being able to gather data fairly quickly (assuming it's a straight enhancement to the damage bonus at any rate).

i figure it would be a straight %, but regardless, im in no hurry to figure it out. just got -1 domaru a few min ago and am waiting on the memories to collect also. not expecting that it will be better than aces mail, but it would be nice to know where it stands.

ps kudos to all u testers, helping lazy *** like myself figure ***out lol.

Haven't played Sam in a while. Is it worth capping Shoha for higher defense mobs (new VW mobs) if you have 90 Masa? Open with 300 Fudo then ride the rest with Shohas? Thinking about dusting off Sam and having some fun after they nerf smite/ukko.

is what i posted a few pages back.

From my findings--without parse or anything--Fudo seems to be better than Shoha on mobs with little to no defense. EP Dynamis mobs that have low defense or high evasion, Fudo (I was disappointed far too much by one of Shoha's attacks missing on flies/hippogryphs). Abyssea XP mobs such as Abyssobugards, Fudo (at least using VV/RR/GC).

All others, SHOHA. If in doubt, use Shoha. Crab mob? SHOHA.

Voidwatch zerg: lay down dat lv. 3 Aftermath, then Shoha spam.

Only thing I hate is the chance to miss on one hit of Shoha, as it's very apparent when that happens. Guess it's time to break out the gorget/belt. D:

Hi guys, this is the set im using atm

It seems so be doing consistent 2>2.2k average dmg on T6 Jeunos (parsed)
Just wondered if theres anything i can improve the build with,
the ogi legs apparently add +3%ws dmg so started using these over hachi. Would the new avant+1 be better for sho or fudo?
Any advice would be welcome, thanks in advance.

This is my tp set also, 5hits w/ the ws build i use and has alot more str/atk than af3+2body/zelus combo

could cap out haste w/ aces feet and the stp+3 back but at a loss of 19atk and 11acc, so not sure if its worth it 2bh

is there any place for the prosilo belt or would the da- be more detrimental?

Is thunder gorget and thunder belt aligned with this?

The att isn't doing much and the STR is equal to bier+1 so nope there is no use.

thanks!!

Yes. Tachi:Shoha can use Breeze or Thunder Gorget/Belt.

Its primary skillchain attribute is Fragmentation.

I think that's something that many of you using Masamune might be missing. Tachi:Shoha fills the "missing link" that used to be in a SAM's Skillchain palate.

Spamming only Tachi:Shoha or only Tachi:Fudo is limiting your potential, in my opinion, unless you're in a group-zerg situation.
Especially if you're working with another SAM in your party/alliance.

Take 2 SAMs with 300% TP. Let's call them "Jim" and ... oh, how about "Tanaka":

Jim Sekkanoki
Jim Tachi:Kasha (200% TP remain)
Tanaka Sekkanoki
Tanaka Sengikori
Tanaka Tachi:Shoha >> Light (200% TP remain)
Jim Hagakure
Jim Meditate
Jim Tachi:Fudo >> Double Light (~40% TP remain, Meditate rising)
Tanaka Hagakure
Tanaka Meditate
Tanaka Tachi:Kasha (~40% TP remain, Meditate rising)
Jim Sengikori
Jim Tachi:Shoha >> Light
Tanaka Tachi:Fudo >> Double Light

Granted this takes some coordination, but shouldn't be difficult for experienced SAMs. Those Sengikori-boosted Double Light renkei bonuses could be gigantic.