AllSeeingEye

Yeah... like getting your FFXI account banned is really a bad thing. lol...

The death of Harambe and Peanut were a bad thing.

There are those who value their own virtual existence, and those who dont.

I made it through 3 mythics - one at 75 cap, two after - before this thread where I learned about using ASE to skip the assaults.

It's a neat hack and I don't really begrudge people for using it at this stage of the game's lifecycle. You can buy all merc ranks up to Captain at Curio Moogle and I don't hear cries of "cheating" about that. We're apparently about to be able to straight-up buy limbus upgrade items, also somehow not cheating.

The thing about assaults (and nyzul, actually) is that they're good content to squeeze in between your time-gated Einherjars. It's a neat little cycle of Ein->Nyzul->Assault or 2->Ein. It works. You're gonna finish assaults before tokens, so then you squeeze in 2 nyzuls between eins.

Some assaults are more fun than others and some benefit more than others by bringing a friend along or lvl capping (looking at you, azure ailments). But if SE added book clears to curio moogle, I'd never look back.

You really are insufferable aren't you.

Try this one simple step before coming to FFXI AH forums with your childish personal insults.:

With gil? Kind of like Dyna D really which ruined the content.

SE could obviate this use-case pretty easily. In possession of a scintillating rhapsody and a book? The rune of release pops when you enter and you can decide whether to actually do the assault or just trade the book and bounce.

Who's using assault points these days? To spam salv to farm alex? Really? Only ppl I see doing that are the galkabots 24/7 and they prob source their assault points from copper vouchers if they haven't found some way to enter without needing a remnants permit.

I don't think we know yet. I think they just said you'll be able to get it from Curio.

Maybe add a gil sink for people that want to skip them entirely by paying an NPC.

The salvage bots alternate salvage and assault. You can pull salvage permit with packets and be in negative assault points up to a point though.

They want you to do them, and the reason they want you to do them is to help other players to get captain.

A lot of the grinds they add for established players, are made the way they are to help lower players. In this case it's to help people shouting for 3 hours for help on assaults, cause most people don't need to do them anymore. The game is all interconnected, and they do things for reasons.

There are actually players who can't get captain anymore, cause barley anyone does them and some assaults are actually really difficult to solo. At least on Asura you can pay people to help you, but it's not so easy on none merc servers.

I don't believe this. At 99 cap, I solo'ed all 50 Assaults as Monk 99, no tricks, no hacks, no tools, whatsoever. At least 42 of them went 1/1. The ~8 annoying ones took at most 3 tries. (The triangulating assault, just took longer, but still doable).

...Are you expecting people to get to Captain at level 60 cap or something?

The triangulation one is a pig to solo, especially for new players. To the point they might just give up after 5-6 fails and nobody offering to help.

The one where monsters come at the npc from 3 sides at once is also annoying, and the feed one also sucks. There are others too.

You can probably do them completely solo if you try enough, are experienced and have mov speed but they are still really awful to solo for new players.

IDK if this is rhetorical or a real statement but...people aren't calling buying Merc ranks at the Curio Vendor Moogle cheating because SE put the KIs on the Moogle. Ditto Limbus items, not cheating because SE put them there.

It's a bit of an aside but you really aren't buying much with the upgrade items. You still need to have the assault upgrade "points" by doing enough assaults, and to get Captain you need to have done all the assaults. The only thing you're able to skip are the Naja missions which in some cases are literally "Trade Naja an imp wing" or "wide scan for the warhorse hoofprint."

SE didn't code ASE. That's why it's called cheating, and buying the mercenary KIs from the vendor isn't. I feel like I shouldn't have to point this out, but here we are.

Yeah.. also people using windower which is a third party tool not allowed by SE. Disgusting cheaters.

I personally dont care what people do or don’t. There’s just too much in the game, yes this or that is against rules.

But did this or that hurt did/or prevented you to play the game the way you want? That is the question.

In my normal not endgame LS, we have a constant incoming amount of newer players, if they need assault or assistance on anything, people help, pretty sure people help even if they have the thing.

Somehow, I’m on the same server that Enoch, another person I have never played with nor met (is Phoenix has more people than I realize?!?), and I tell you what, it didn’t hurt Gav.

So move along.

The interesting thing I found from those pictures, is how the game is build. It has layer (even layer of sounds someone said), they are apparently always on, just don’t show up. The layered cake is what interested me. I can see how the game was designed to begin with, and why so many things are hard to change, after probably 25 years of development.

Now, why are the updates so longs if everything is already there?!?

Have you ever wondered why why some BCNM's load up the entry prompt within 1 second and some BCNM's take 10 seconds to load up the prompt? Its kinda related.

I do, but now I can see why some zone are exponentially longer than others. Interesting stuff

idk how this went on so long, because that guy is a little slow... Think we all know that by now, best to just avoid it honestly lol

Despite what I said earlier, I actually dgaf if anyone uses ASE for assaults and I don't blame them at all. I just find them mostly enjoyable, but that's personal and I wouldn't put that off on anyone else b/c I get why people don't wanna do it.

I also agree that it's harder to find people to do them with because most people just tell you to use ASE, though, and that makes it harder to do some of them legit. The few times I've pulled players in to do these legit with me - there was a lot of whinging about it.

I also find the whole mythic process to be overly burdensome and the Alex requirement in particular feeds RMT. The Alex requirement also means Salvage is botted 24/7 and some zones are impossible to get into, when I finished Terpsi it took a lot of effort to get into the instance due to bots farming Alex. The Captain prerequisite, Assault requirements, Alex requirement, Ichor, Tokens - the mythic process is just overly burdensome and that's just to get the 75 weapon. To finish trials you have some of the worst trials there are and then AG and r15 is expensive also. IMO they need to make the level of effort more in line with others in this era and something on that list needs to give or they need to open alternative paths to completion. There's no valid reason IMO we need to slog through so much dated content then pay an arm and a leg to finish one.

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wait, there's an addon for nyzul?

It has been like this for 10 years with the bots. Pretty sure SE spent more effort trying to ban dynamis bots though and did seem to get rid of them for a while

Assault is: Use ASE, skip everything.

In Nyzul, its more like, which cheat do you wanna use first? None of them makes you skip everything, but all of them help greatly.

That being said, having a team of BST for the kills, plus COR and BRD for the Movement Speed, is much more valuable than any of those cheats in Nyzul.

To me, it feels like they do this once a month. But a lot of regular players have started botting dynamis as well, so its hard to tell.

Sortof? The only two addons that come to mind that make Nyzul easier are Clipper and AP-Radar (If it still works). Clipper is go-fasters and booping through walls, the usual stuff.

AP-Radar pulls and names all Mobs and NPCs in your immediate area with the Server's IDs for them. This makes it useful for finding Unique Monsters and/or Gears from a safe distance BUT ALSO useful for Lamps as they'll be numbered. So when you get Order Lamps, they're already labeled for you instead of needing to memorize them and you can figure out the sequence from there.

IT USED TO BE that the Lamps were already ID'd in their exact order every time but SE patched that ages ago lol. They figured out what we were doing and randomized the Lamp IDs but I guess their system will not allow them to remove the IDs completely?

Idk, this game is great in a lot of ways but wacky at the same time lol

Apradar letting you have a map within nyzul is more of a cheat than anything else

Oh most definitely, but that was basically this whole thread I thought? Or was I mistaken?

Some could argue for it being QOL too since it lets you more accurately track things around you, especially for NM placeholders buuuuut it gives off A LOT of information that it probably shouldn’t be so yeah.

My point was that what's cheating one day is QoL improvements the next. I had hoped to counter some of the rhetoric around "why choose to play a game and then not actually play it?"

SE has added a bunch of QoL improvements over the years to smooth out some of the rough edges - including alternate ways of obtaining items and achievements. While doing sparks this morning I watched someone popping a zillion skillup books. Gaining skill without using the skill? Sacrilege!

I gave an example of a small QoL tweak SE could make that would stop folks wanting to bother with ASE for assaults - but I'll go a little farther on that line of thought. SE really should engage the third party tool community - and make no mistake, it's a community. They'd learn a lot about their subscriber base that they're not getting in their formal surveys. They could also probably stand to learn a bit about their service and possible ways to further improve it in ways they'd deem acceptable. If I were SE, I'd be looking to hire on a few as consultants just for help scoping changes and modernizing the client.

And again, none of this is new. We're rehashing really old conversations that remain sadly relevant.

Remember when TParty was a third party cheating tool because it gave you the advantage of being able to see your party members TP??

Pepperidge farm remembers.

I agree SE should look into the third party community, and they should create some guidelines. There are so many fights where you need to know the enemy's exact hp % in order to perform crucial mechanics, or times when knowing the distance from the enemy is also crucial for positioning or kiting, etc, it's almost like they expect us to already have these

I did a quick check to see how other games deal with third party addons and saw WoW has a detailed list for example here are just the titles of each section:

1) Add-ons must be free of charge.
2) Add-on code must be completely visible.
3) Add-ons must not negatively impact World of Warcraft realms or other players.
4) Add-ons may not include advertisements.
5) Add-ons may not solicit donations.
6) Add-ons must not contain offensive or objectionable material.
7) Add-ons must abide by World of Warcraft ToU and EULA.
8) Blizzard Entertainment has the right to disable add-on functionality as it sees fit.

Fair enough. I've never played that game but I think it's interesting to see this approach compared to how SE pretends to not care or turns a blind eye to the community unless it's something that crosses their secret line with what they'd allow. Some acknowledgment/transparency would be great for the community, and I'd also imagine more retail players would feel at ease to stream or share their gameplay which would also be promotion for the game

Borderless Window and Tab without crashes was probably "cheating" at one point too :>