AllSeeingEye

Nah, this is blatant cheating. Cheating at its finest.

I dont even know how this is up for discussion, because it's not.

Using ASE to skip bookfarming for mythics isnt even top 10 cheating in FFXI.

I mean sure, but like...he didn't say it wasn't cheating? He just said he thinks that preventing knockback is MORE like cheating than this.

I think most people would agree cheating is a spectrum and not a binary. Therefore, some things are more cheating than others.

It's his opinion that blocking knockback is more serious cheating than ASE for assaults, that's all. Frankly, I agree.

That doesn't mean ASE isn't cheating, and in fact that's not what he said in the post you quoted at all.

Ah yes, the fine levels of cheating.

It's not even hard. You don't need this addon to do it. Same for Nyzul.

I mean...do you think dress-up is the same level of cheating as tako? Do you think equip viewer is the same level of cheating as cure please?

There are clearly levels of cheating, dude. You can argue all day about where to place each program on the line, but it's undeniably a line. Pretending there aren't levels of severity won't make it true.

No, I think Whataboutism should not be used in a thread about ASE, the mother of all Assault cheats.

On the scale of 1-10, doing this is a 10.

Simply in terms of what it does, it beats the content for you without you doing anything.

I understand people don't like doing assaults, and so are justifying it. In terms of what it does though, it's undeniably as bad as you can cheat something.

If you want to argue about how bad it is relative to the content, I'd take Radial's side here. It's bypassing the entire event. That's pretty serious cheating.

If it's relative to the game as a whole, pretty minor. I can do all 50 legit in 10 hours or so, and it still takes over 8 with ASE. Sure, you could probably do 5 and then do something else and get the sum time down to like 4-5 hours.. but shaving 6 hours off every mythic you make isn't going to put you at some colossal advantage over other players.

In contrast, anchor allows groups to clear content that's completely out of their reach. I think most people underestimate exactly how much easier it makes things, especially for fights where positioning matters. It doesn't clear the entire event for you, but it has a much bigger impact relative to the game as a whole. Also encourages exclusion, since players may pressure others to use it if their group sees it as normal.

Edit: There's probably some negative effect to others with ASE too; it removes grouping incentive which makes it harder for new players to get captain and perpetuates the attitude of 'just use ASE' for people making mythics. If it wasn't an option, there would be much more opportunity to team up with friends and goof off while clearing your assaults. This would be extra beneficial for people seeking captain clears.

I just think it's funny that we have addons that are like, "No thanks, rewards only" and the servers are like "sure thing boss"

You do lose the assault. People may not know or realize that.

It doesn't beat it without you doing anything. You have to do it first, all 50 assaults, before you can use allseeingeye.

What it does for you is it allows you to be lazy when the content was built in a lazy and abusive way. Why stop at once? Make us redo all assaults again, five times per mythic.

We did these assaults back when the cap was 75. We needed a whole PT to do them. Why do we need to do them again?

They can make assault iLVL with really good rewards. By the end of doing all assault legit you have almost all the Alex you need to make your mythic.

Nah.. why bother? Just make them redo it... Some people would even argue in our favor.. lol.

I mean i get what you're saying, but the impetus is backwards here.

They didn't actively choose to make you re-do assaults in 2025 for a mythic because they couldn't be bothered to design ilvl assaults.

They made the mythic process in 2007 (or whatever year it was) and made it so you have to do assaults. They did this when assaults were difficult and tags were hard to come by.

Then, when assaults became really easy and people wanted to make 20 mythic weapons, they DIDN'T rework it. But it wasn't an active decision to make you repeat them despite them being easy, it's an indecision or, imo, a lack of priority.

This is an important distinction. Also: despite how much everyone talks about how easy it is to do and how they could do it in their lunch break, despite nobody having ever done it once, it's not an extremely trivial effort to rework all 500 pieces of old content while retaining the original version.

Like it or not, some people want to experience the game how it was designed and balanced originally, so replacing the content entirely isn't really an option either.

Not really sure what people are expecting here.

Yeah.. this doesn't make it less abusive. It makes it far more abusive actually. You just went through the pain of doing 50 assaults. It was huge labor.. but fun.. you did it!!!

Then you find out you have to redo the whole thing again? Nothing changed... they just want to make you do it to keep you playing and paying subscription.

If it's fun for you do redo them every time time you want to do your mythic then it's great that you can. I think you would be much happier if you found random chests along the way that would give you a bunch of alexes. Maybe double the alex gain if you do it under a certain amount of time? Or do some extra objectives?

Nah... just redo them... It takes SE a SQL query update to force you to spend all day (or months like Sortie) doing something. SQL query is not a content, it's a theft.

It's Bilnes

Sometimes I wonder why people pay for a MMORPG subscription, then refuse to play it.

Theyre still playing it. The more fun way. Skipping to the reward faster.

Congratulations you just described MMORPGS?

You just finished an Empyrean weapon congrats, it was a huge labor, fun but you did it! Now you have to re-do all the lotto NMs, farm plates, and do the Abyssea NMs again? Nothing changed...they just want to make you do it to keep you playing and paying subscription.

You just finished R25 a +2 Neck
You just finished R25 a Su5 weapon
You just finished an Aeonic weapon
You just finished a Relic weapon
You just finished empyrean+3 armor
You just finished Omen card farming
You just finished Sinister Reign farming
You just finished Vagary
You just finished Delve

...This is just describing MMORPG content. You grind. That's what you're paying for. If you want to clear content once and then never play it again, you're looking for a single player game my dude, try The Witcher?


I have no idea what you're trying to say here...are you implying that they can add chests into assaults with 600 Alexandrite in them per chest? Are you implying that somehow SE can execute a single SQL query and it pushes out content? Do you think that paying a monthly subscription and not getting monthly content updates is somehow equivalent to theft? I have...so many more questions...

I wonder the same thing. Why people pay for subscription, then go to Crawler's Nest and spend months getting a single job to ML50.

If you pay subscription because you can't wait to do another 50 rounds of assault, then kuddos to you. I'm glad I have other options, which is why I still pay subscription.

I won't even bother replying to these hyperbolic takes of something that nobody actually said. lol. I'm used to arguing with you.

Very soon you will start using quotes around statements you wish people had made, but they didn't.


You just finished R25 a +2 Neck: Dynamis iLVL where you can make gil and get a bunch of other things. Also, you can idle while other people get it done. You don;t need to cheat.

You just finished R25 a Su5 weapon: Same thing as above.

You just finished an Aeonic weapon: Fun ilvl content with a bunch of other drops.

You just finished a Relic weapon: Not sure what you are implying here. Relic Weapon is an item, not a content.

You just finished empyrean+3 armor: Yeah.. doing sortie. An ilvl content that, made for a bunch of other things.

You just finished Omen card farming: Yeah, ilvl content, fun, has other drops, has Ou in the end in case you wanna kill it.

You just finished Sinister Reign farming: if you get sinister reign drops you need you dont need to repeat it.

You just finished Vagary: if you get the items you need from vagary you dont need to repeat it.

You just finished Delve: You need to do delves a few times, for just two weapons. iLvl content with other rewards.

Assault: You just need to redo all 50 assault for every single mythic you make. The content in itself doesn't give you anything. It's just a SQL query.

I quoted your entire paragraph, and you're refusing to explain what the *** it means, so accusing me of quote mining is pretty hilarious, TBH.


What does this mean? Do you believe SE created Sortie with a SQL query? What content is SE creating by SQL query? How does SE steal from you, personally?

I think Besieged is the best possible example of "creating content by SQL query" but if you think you can type "update table besiegedmonsterlevel set monsterlevel = 119 where monsterlevel = 80" and then push the update to the server in 6 seconds, I'm afraid you have a very flawed understanding of software development and you might want to re-visit that before making broad statements online about how simple it is.

Comments in-line. I disagree with your definition of what grinding is and I think your understanding of game development, game design, and the software development lifecycle are extremely weak based on these posts.

The replayability of Sortie is not based on it being fun, or innovative, with reasonable drops. The replayability is based on the fact that you want to make a prime and the prime is gatekept by an exorbitant amount of muffins and a stupid, abusive, lazy real time gatekeep on psyche.

If you want a prime stage 5 for all your jobs you will waste years of your life doing it.

I know you are gonna say : Youz DUnt Hevsz to Havz aLl prIMez stage 5. Which I understand. It's very hard being you, standing up for what you believe. lol.

The difference between me and you is that I do what I enjoy in FFXI. What I don't enjoy, I don't do.

I dont have any ML50, and guess why, because I dont enjoy that grind. And that doesn't mean I'm gonna bot myself to ML50, just because it seems required for Epeen.

Pftt... I do it legit... If you send me a tell at 4 am in CNest and I don't reply, it's because I am laser focused on make a step 5 SC for my BLM friend to MB the locust crawler to death.

There are those times when I say, please don't ban real players, let them be, we dont need less population.

And then there's people like you, who should be banned just for the attitude.

I mean, if your entire argument is:
I don't want to do it legit, so I don't.

That's a perfectly valid way to look at things. ASE exploit currently works. You can use it. So, you use it.

That doesn't make it not cheating. It doesn't matter how unfair you think repeating assaults is; the game requires that you do it. If you choose to bypass that, you have cheated. No amount of whining or twisting of logic will change that.

Wrong. I should be banned, like I have been, because, like Thorny said, these tools are a way of cheating. They are against the ToS. I don't come here and cry when I get punished for cheating. I think allseeingeye is cheating and if I get caught using it and SE bans me... it's fair game.

I do not think I should be banned for my attitude, however, because that's not against ToS. You can just stop replying if your skin is that thin.

Heh, Karma.

I just want to say it is absolutely hilarious to read this sentence and then get to the "except for Nyzul" part. It's akin to saying "Murder has no place in modern society, except the people I don't like."

Regardless this discussion is stupid and is only happening because an oblivious dude who thinks we wanted to see screenshots of his cheating got a dose of reality and wandered off, leaving this dumpster fire behind as a result.

Wherever you stand on these issues, we can all agree: don't document your cheating and flaunt it. That's just stupid.

Edit: And I am just NOW realizing he said "same for Nyzul" and not "save for Nyzul", completely invalidating my first point and making me look like a fool. Point and laugh.