Ebisu Fishing Rod = Relic

Also i approve of making ebisus an achievement. It easily can take more time/effort than a empyrean

Neon has been topicbanned. Don't instigate and then expect me to lock the thread.


For everyone else, don't discuss bots by name.(I'll see if we can get some clearcut bot related rules with the new ones)

Honestly this thread should be locked. People brought up the question (it's been brought up in the past apparently).

Jaerik's answer was a no.

/thread

Keeping it open is just leading to more trouble(bans).

I know it's unlikely, but it would be pretty cool if we could have a bit more customisation for our pages.

Hell, if you guys made a subscription model for more customisation, like choosing where our different tabs were etc (think youtube) I'd happily pay.

i respectfully disagree, i think the thread still has value

i understand that jaerik is against the idea, but though i often disagree with him, he's generally a reasonable dude, and he has been know to change his mind in response to user feedback. (see block feature)

the admin crew doesn't play the game anymore, so i think it's beneficial if users can come to a consensus and keep the admin crew updated on what's happening

i think that if it's made generally clear that at this point eisbu is now the hardest item in the game to get by default, he might make the change next time they decide to do a major revamp

as for some of the arguments against giving eisbu at least non achievement point relic status:

the "luck-based" argument: i think one of the most major sources of gil, and therefore relics, is getting lucky on drops. to be frank, it's a luck-based game.

the botting argument: levelling bots are at this point more widely available than fishbots, and levels are the primary source of achievement points. just about everything in the game is bottable, and throwing out achievements because some people bot them is throwing the baby out with the bathwater

the making non fishers unhappy argument: i think the reason they are unhappy is that it's not widely understood just how much it takes to get an eisbu, people like to think the only things involved are getting the two main KIs, and i don't think pandering to ignorance is the best solution

Also I'd add crafting bots will lvl your other crafts faster and make you much more money to get say relics.


Also not exactly alot of bots that craft new bait when you run out repair your lu shangs when it breaks which is often and then know not to start doing so when the boat is about to pull in or you lose the rod then get back on the boat and into a safe spot to fish again. And even then your looking at 1-3 gugrus an hour. Then getting more supplies turning fish in and heaven forbid you don't have woodworking lvld and you have to go to rabao to get your rod fixed each time and I had about 2/3 rod break on me at lower fishing lvl 1/3 at 100. And the price to get it repaired like that is a bit and you lose the enchantment on the rings so you'll have to farm more rings etc etc

the point system in general is just stupid, like people pointed out so much has become easier and easier to get. Why not add it? for the same reason it would be dumb to take away points for a relic weapon. Putting any extra thought into it at all is just a waste of time in my opinion.

I don't see why people are getting so butt hurt on either side. Would it be the end of the world if they added it as a relic? No, it would just be stupid and a waste of time. Would it be the end of the world if they did not add it as a relic? No, we would be in the exact same position we are in today it's really not that big of a deal.


For all I care take away the points on everything like the points were taken away on maat's cap, it's not a big deal to get a maat's cap just like it's not a big deal to do much of everything in this game like so many people have pointed out in this thread. It seems silly to me though for rewarding someone for getting the fishing pole when so many people in this community openly talk about fish botting.. whether or not you agree or disagree with someone botting I don't see how anyone could make a case that they should be "awarded" for doing so.

saying "some" people bot when fishing is lolworthy, people on these forums talk in so much detail about the fish bots openly it's pretty obvious a good amount of the people who fish in this community bot. The majority of the people who don't bot but do fish probably aren't a big part of this community I could see them not caring. The one's who I think would care the most are the ones who earned the fishing rod without botting and I can empathize but sometimes a few bad apples spoil the bunch, it's how the world goes.

Maat's Cap never was worth any points. The points "for it" were earned by gaining experience.

I was told different, but in either case it's not as valued in the community on the site as it once was, it no longer appears on your page.

Just because the troublemakers on the site are causing trouble doesn't mean the topic is to blame.

And this isn't a pointless topic, not everything has been discussed in the thread itself and rather through personal messages with admins that don't make it to the forum. There have been good suggestions for alternatives and shouldn't be ignored just because of the past. There have been so many valid points of what the game is now that the past cant be a factor anymore just like anything that use to be a factor in the game no longer matters.

This is because of Astral Burning and more recently Abyssea leeching. When I got my cap it was through regular exp parties. Seeing the value of it diminished is sad, but I'm not going on a holy crusade to get it put back on the relics list. Its not that big of a deal anymore.

The same can be said for Eibsu. Sure there are people who get it "the hard way" by fishing every day... but there will be far more people fish botting it. It will in turn be just as common and "not as valued".

Even botting Ebisu's will never be common. It's alot of effort and time. In the time it takes to just fish up the fish for ebisus forget the KI's and running around to get bait turn fish in fix rods etc could possibly fish up a good 100mil+ gil.

Back when I did it took a good 2-3 months of all day fishing everyday and only took 350ish fish total (someone has the record of over 2k lol) was so icky that ended up just fishing for gil and buying them instead for most of them. Now being busy and fishing for maybe half the day at most making a good 800k-1mil a day. If I did it all day long from what I hear 1.5mil isn't to uncommon.

The potential gil gain easily comes out to what a relic is. And fishing for gil is so much easier than doing the boat and repairing and getting more bait turning fish in etc

The topic at hand is a valid one, no disagreement there. People who claim that all you do is bot for it perhaps miss the fact that people use cure bots too. So to me the whole bot argument is silly.

Personally I wouldn't mind if it gets achievement points.

My point is this post:
is a clear cut, NO, and leave the issue alone.

By continuing the discussion, you're just arguing back and forth, which seems to defeat the premise of Jaerik's answer.

like i said, he's changed his mind when presented with new evidence before, even after taking a hard line stance on it

i think if he truly wanted to quash all discussion

he would've locked the thread

Yeah that's what baffling to me.

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Nothing is ever a solid no as long as your polite :P

is it that baffling to let a civil, mostly pleasant discussion continue, even if you disagree with some of the points of view presented?

that would be a very closed-minded approach to take

That I will agree with you on :D

the thing is, unlike maats cap, eisbu is honestly even harder than it used to be

you also have to do a LOT of non bottable stuff to get it, enough to dissuade most botters (like me)

like i said, if you want to throw away stuff because some people bot some parts of it, you'd have to throw out all the achievement points we have

Civil being the key word.
If it's kept civil, then fine. But these e-peen discussion hardly ever lead to anything civil. Just wait for the people who start to bring up your gear and say you have no right to say what should be counted, etc.

Omg I'd hate to have to fish for it now. Sure I can make money like 10X faster now but no one sells the fish so I'd have to actually fish them all up myself. I'd have to end up farming stuff just to fix rods in rabao... I'd probably end up getting so aggravated that I'd lvl woodworking on a mule just repair it.

And yeah so much non bottable (or things you don't want to bot) involved eat up almost as much or even more time than the actual fishing

a. you can keep a thread civil with topicbans without locking it

b. it's silly to lock it in ANTICIPATION of it becoming less than civil, if we were going to unlock discussions that could become unpleasant at some point in the future, you'd have to lock every thread at post one

that being said, backseat modding is about the most douchey thing you can do, so i'll shut up now and leave it at that

Isn't bahamut coming to siren next month? I'll help you if you want, I just don't get many people asking me lol.

he's got eisbu

i'm jealous >.>

Ramuh and I already have it and sure as hell not going to do it again even if I still had an alt to fish with at the same time lol. Just too much work and lose out on too much potential gil. Heck if someone was to ask me to fish them up for them I doubt I'd sell for less than 40k each even if they were a friend just because I easily could've made more in that time and that's with an ebisu lol

Yea I know. I just do it because I like to break away from the everyday grind to help people lol. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside~ :P

I actually fished up a 2nd lu shangs back when I did it because I got tired of using rings and on the very first fish it breaking basically wasting the charge and having to warp out to get them fixed and wait on boat again. Put a mule in rabao so I could stop running over there to get it fixed etc lol