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Best Job?
Cerberus.Rayik
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By Cerberus.Rayik 2011-01-10 08:24:47
Leviathan.Pimpchan said:
People play the most useful jobs on average. There is a reason mages (the REAL mages, not fake copies) come first. Having a mage is useful unlike having DRG or BLU. That's 2009 official numbers, btw ; nowadays WHM should still have predominant position and blm is probably under mnk,war,thf but should be more useful than loladin.
I completely disagree. I only play my "useful" jobs during LS events, the rest the time I play my "fun" jobs. Same goes for a lot of people I know. Not the case with everyone, just the people in my circle.
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By Asura.Buddhsie 2011-01-10 08:26:32
Did I miss the moment blue MAGE became not a mage? lol
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By Asura.Masekase 2011-01-10 08:41:07
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Unicorn.Marrs said: A complex question to say the least, simply because of what we can be talking about, dmg output, soloing, the necessity of having a healer, whats the mob etc...
But, if you had to decide which job would be the best to take to 90 (99, whatever), taking these things into account what would you say comes out with the most pros? For example consider a graph, a questionnaire of scale, 1 -10, one category is DMG output over speicified amount of time, one is the ability to Solo on a scale of 1 - 10 (which would most likely rest on the amount of mobs the job can take on as opposed to which can take on the least)
Of these categories, what job would you say comes out with the most points?
1 White Mage 14.06%
2 Red Mage 13.07%
3 Black Mage 12.50%
4 Thief 8.39%
5 Warrior 7.79%
6 Monk 6.49%
7 Paladin 5.51%
8 Ninja 4.73%
9 Samurai 4.27%
10 Bard 3.01%
11 Dark Knight 2.97%
12 Dragoon 2.73%
13 Dancer 2.67%
14 Blue Mage 2.60%
15 Beastmaster 2.39%
16 Summoner 1.93%
17 Ranger 1.49%
18 Scholar 1.41%
19 Puppetmaster 1.07%
20 Corsair 0.92%
Which means nothing.
What people play the most =/= the best to level
People play the most useful jobs on average. There is a reason mages (the REAL mages, not fake copies) come first. Having a mage is useful unlike having DRG or BLU. That's 2009 official numbers, btw ; nowadays WHM should still have predominant position and blm is probably under mnk,war,thf but should be more useful than loladin.
So what is point of them results like you said that was popularity of 2009. The game changed since then abyssea came in 2010 and changed what is most useful jobs.
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2011-01-10 08:48:03
Cerberus.Tidis said: By your logic pimpchan, COR is the worst job in the game which certainly isn't true.
It's true.
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PLD might be required again?
No, it never was.
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RDM might actually be able to do a decent cure due to HP being much lower?
Not lower than at 75 so now whm still better healer.
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People might go on about other DDs than WAR and MNK?
DRK can stop QQing?
Nope other DDs suck even more than at 75
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2011-01-10 08:49:40
Asura.Masekase said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Unicorn.Marrs said: A complex question to say the least, simply because of what we can be talking about, dmg output, soloing, the necessity of having a healer, whats the mob etc...
But, if you had to decide which job would be the best to take to 90 (99, whatever), taking these things into account what would you say comes out with the most pros? For example consider a graph, a questionnaire of scale, 1 -10, one category is DMG output over speicified amount of time, one is the ability to Solo on a scale of 1 - 10 (which would most likely rest on the amount of mobs the job can take on as opposed to which can take on the least)
Of these categories, what job would you say comes out with the most points?
1 White Mage 14.06%
2 Red Mage 13.07%
3 Black Mage 12.50%
4 Thief 8.39%
5 Warrior 7.79%
6 Monk 6.49%
7 Paladin 5.51%
8 Ninja 4.73%
9 Samurai 4.27%
10 Bard 3.01%
11 Dark Knight 2.97%
12 Dragoon 2.73%
13 Dancer 2.67%
14 Blue Mage 2.60%
15 Beastmaster 2.39%
16 Summoner 1.93%
17 Ranger 1.49%
18 Scholar 1.41%
19 Puppetmaster 1.07%
20 Corsair 0.92%
Which means nothing.
What people play the most =/= the best to level
People play the most useful jobs on average. There is a reason mages (the REAL mages, not fake copies) come first. Having a mage is useful unlike having DRG or BLU. That's 2009 official numbers, btw ; nowadays WHM should still have predominant position and blm is probably under mnk,war,thf but should be more useful than loladin.
So what is point of them results like you said that was popularity of 2009. The game changed since then abyssea came in 2010 and changed what is most useful jobs.
The game changed, yes, the jobs didn't ; if anything the unbalance between jobs is bigger than what it was, thanks to the new team. Exemple : impetus given to monks and a JA about as useful has arcane circle to fail DDs.
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By Asura.Buddhsie 2011-01-10 08:58:31
Caitsith.Shiroi said: Quote: Having a mage is useful unlike having DRG or BLU Wut lol blu isn't a mage and drg goes in the the same category? =/ If only those 2 jobs had good crit WS and blu could proc grellow then they would become useful :O
lol :p
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2011-01-10 09:01:26
I cannot understand why people are trying to prove the best job here, soon as we get to 99, this will just start all over again.
Like i said before, every job is useful in their own way, PLD is not useless, COR is not useless, DRK is not useless.
Also according to that popularity thing on jobs in 2009, its really biased for a number of reasons.
1) All the main jobs which were there when the game was first made (WAR MNK THF WHM RDM etc), of course a lot of players would have gotten attached to those jobs from the beginning and made those their main job. Therefore its obvious more people would have those levelled compared to a the jobs which come out many years later. (BLU PUP COR DNC SCH).
2) These jobs which came out earlier have generally just being more useful, who really needs a BLU PUP COR DNC or SCH? There are plenty of jobs out there which can do their jobs just as good if not better.
3) A lot of jobs have been levelled with no skill involved (SMN burn, leeching in campaign, and Abyssea) and therefore were levelled by methods which aint really fair to the game balance, back in 2004 it could take a long time to level a job to 75, now you could level 1-90 in a day or 2 if you do it right.
The game will continue to change, and the balance will shift, i really cannot see it, before 75 a number of people were badly complaining that all the other DD were getting upgrades and MNK was not, now that MNK gets impetus and the other jobs dont get an upgrade equally as good, MNK has all of a sudden become better then the rest?
I disagree with this and the thread now.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2011-01-10 09:02:33
Caitsith.Shiroi said: Quote: The game changed, yes, the jobs didn't ; if anything the unbalance between jobs is bigger than what it was, thanks to the new team.
Um ... the only jobs that are severly lacking are drk rdm and sch ... drk because they would need a good crit WS, rdm and sch need Cure V.
Thf, nin, dnc, drg, pup, blu dps increased dramaticaly.
I agree with DRK needing a new ws, im kinda really sick of Guillotine, been using it for many years now.
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2011-01-10 09:03:08
Caitsith.Shiroi said: Quote: The game changed, yes, the jobs didn't ; if anything the unbalance between jobs is bigger than what it was, thanks to the new team.
Um ... the only jobs that are severly lacking are drk rdm and sch ... drk because they would need a good crit WS, rdm and sch need Cure V.
Thf, nin, dnc, drg, pup, blu dps increased dramaticaly.
And they still suck at DD. Why ? because SE gave better toys to mnks. Simple.
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By Asura.Buddhsie 2011-01-10 09:03:29
Cerberus.Kylos said: 2) These jobs which came out earlier have generally just being more useful, who really needs a BLU PUP COR DNC or SCH? There are plenty of jobs out there which can do their jobs just as good if not better.
We'll just have one of those other jobs that uses blue magic trigger weakness!
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By Asura.Buddhsie 2011-01-10 09:04:40
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Caitsith.Shiroi said: Quote: The game changed, yes, the jobs didn't ; if anything the unbalance between jobs is bigger than what it was, thanks to the new team. Um ... the only jobs that are severly lacking are drk rdm and sch ... drk because they would need a good crit WS, rdm and sch need Cure V. Thf, nin, dnc, drg, pup, blu dps increased dramaticaly. And they still suck at DD. Why ? because SE gave better toys to mnks. Simple.
It's still not hard to beat a mnk on drg lol... Least that hasn't changed.
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2011-01-10 09:07:03
Asura.Buddhsie said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Caitsith.Shiroi said: Quote: The game changed, yes, the jobs didn't ; if anything the unbalance between jobs is bigger than what it was, thanks to the new team. Um ... the only jobs that are severly lacking are drk rdm and sch ... drk because they would need a good crit WS, rdm and sch need Cure V. Thf, nin, dnc, drg, pup, blu dps increased dramaticaly. And they still suck at DD. Why ? because SE gave better toys to mnks. Simple.
It's still not hard to beat a mnk on drg lol... Least that hasn't changed.
It's impossible.
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2011-01-10 09:07:35
Caitsith.Shiroi said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Caitsith.Shiroi said: Quote: The game changed, yes, the jobs didn't ; if anything the unbalance between jobs is bigger than what it was, thanks to the new team.
Um ... the only jobs that are severly lacking are drk rdm and sch ... drk because they would need a good crit WS, rdm and sch need Cure V.
Thf, nin, dnc, drg, pup, blu dps increased dramaticaly.
And they still suck at DD. Why ? because SE gave better toys to mnks. Simple.
Mnk suck at DD because war is stronger. Your point? I'm not saying they are the best DD jobs but they all have their use. Nin dnc and thf can solo NM's mnk and war can't. Does that make them better DD than them? No, but they aren't the trash you are thinking they are.
Mnk is not a DD it's a tank that's why it's useful unlike DRG. It happens to be a better tank than WAR, but that's old news and has been glorified by SE (perfect counter).
edit : if I was to choose a DD without tanking consideration I would pick THF, not because it's good at DDing (it's not) but because it's good at making stuff drop, which is why it's ABOVE mnk and WAR in the list.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2011-01-10 09:07:36
Not exactly on about this magic trigger proc ***, when it comes to taking off damage, other jobs can do that over newer jobs, not trying to shoot down any job here, because i was in a party with 3 blus the other day and i loved it.
Really we never needed new jobs, the jobs we already had could do that, which is why its very possible a lot of players never bothered to level them, out of the new jobs the only one i use is DNC, and thats for a subjob, all the rest have no use to me, unless i wanted to use sch or blu as a subjob maybe?
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By Asura.Buddhsie 2011-01-10 09:08:32
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Asura.Buddhsie said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Caitsith.Shiroi said: Quote: The game changed, yes, the jobs didn't ; if anything the unbalance between jobs is bigger than what it was, thanks to the new team. Um ... the only jobs that are severly lacking are drk rdm and sch ... drk because they would need a good crit WS, rdm and sch need Cure V. Thf, nin, dnc, drg, pup, blu dps increased dramaticaly. And they still suck at DD. Why ? because SE gave better toys to mnks. Simple. It's still not hard to beat a mnk on drg lol... Least that hasn't changed. I'm Delusional.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2011-01-10 09:10:24
Stop fighting over this, MNK and DRG are both very useful jobs, MNK can change between a tank and a DD when they want, DRG is just pure power and can be a mighty solo job, i still do not get why your trying to compete between jobs as both are great in certain situations just like any other DD
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 09:11:44
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Caitsith.Shiroi said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Caitsith.Shiroi said: Quote: The game changed, yes, the jobs didn't ; if anything the unbalance between jobs is bigger than what it was, thanks to the new team.
Um ... the only jobs that are severly lacking are drk rdm and sch ... drk because they would need a good crit WS, rdm and sch need Cure V.
Thf, nin, dnc, drg, pup, blu dps increased dramaticaly.
And they still suck at DD. Why ? because SE gave better toys to mnks. Simple.
Mnk suck at DD because war is stronger. Your point? I'm not saying they are the best DD jobs but they all have their use. Nin dnc and thf can solo NM's mnk and war can't. Does that make them better DD than them? No, but they aren't the trash you are thinking they are.
Mnk is not a DD it's a tank that's why it's useful unlike DRG. It happens to be a better tank than WAR, but that's old news and has been glorified by SE (perfect counter).
edit : if I was to choose a DD out of tanking consideration I would pick THF, not because it's good at DDing (it's not) but because it's good at making stuff drop, which is why it's ABOVE mnk and WAR in the list.
You don't even play any more.
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By Asura.Buddhsie 2011-01-10 09:12:03
Lol if he's gonna say that a mnk can beat a drg I've gotta object.. but in no way is drg even remotely useful, i mean.. who's stupid enough to argue that? lol
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2011-01-10 09:13:37
Can't argue against statistics. DRG has been in the game since the start just like monk and noones wants to play it.
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2011-01-10 09:14:27
Caitsith.Shiroi said: Quote: Mnk is not a DD it's a tank that's why it's useful unlike DRG. It happens to be a better tank than WAR, but that's old news and has been glorified by SE (perfect counter).
Snaps, Mnk will take less dmg than a war, but the war will kill the monsters faster and as long as you have a whm which mnk also needs the outcome will be the same.
Killing faster + Same outcome = Need mnk because it takes less dmg
Wut?
So what ? Killing x% faster is not useful as long as it does not make the stuff drop faster. This is why THF own MNK and WAR as far as usefullness goes.
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By Asura.Buddhsie 2011-01-10 09:16:53
DRG was a bit of a bandwagon job there for a while with bird merit paries, kinda sad now its only use is blue trigger.. but who's stupid enough to pop or claim something during piercing times if they have a choice @.@
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 09:17:12
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Can't argue against statistics. DRG has been in the game since the start just like monk and noones wants to play it.
Ever thought people play jobs they find aesthetically pleasing? When I first started playing I certainly didn't pick MNK because I thought it would be an awesome DD/tank
I just played it because I like to punch ***.
Those statistics mean very little.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2011-01-10 09:17:57
No one plays DRG? Confused by that statement, i remember when all anyone wanted for Merit parties was DRG and SAM, we would have full parties just full of DRG, while other jobs like MNK and DRK found it hard to even get into one of those.
Can't really believe you guys are trying to blast different jobs, they all have uses and guess what...
Its only a game!
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A complex question to say the least, simply because of what we can be talking about, dmg output, soloing, the necessity of having a healer, whats the mob etc...
But, if you had to decide which job would be the best to take to 90 (99, whatever), taking these things into account what would you say comes out with the most pros? For example consider a graph, a questionnaire of scale, 1 -10, one category is DMG output over speicified amount of time, one is the ability to Solo on a scale of 1 - 10 (which would most likely rest on the amount of mobs the job can take on as opposed to which can take on the least)
Of these categories, what job would you say comes out with the most points?
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