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By Fenrir.Skadoosh 2011-11-30 18:58:12
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Ragnarok.Athina said: »
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Would Hope Torque or Justiciar's Torque perform better with capped Crit hit rate?
Hope Torque because of the high base fTP on Hi.
Hope Torque because NIN can actually wear it.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-11-30 18:59:19
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Ragnarok.Athina said: »
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Would Hope Torque or Justiciar's Torque perform better with capped Crit hit rate?
Hope Torque because of the high base fTP on Hi.
WSC not fTP, and yeah NIN can't wear Justiciar's anyways.
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2011-11-30 19:02:32
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Oh, whoops~ My mistake.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-11-30 19:13:11
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Ragnarok.Athina said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Ragnarok.Athina said: »
Odin.Llewelyn said: »
Would Hope Torque or Justiciar's Torque perform better with capped Crit hit rate?
Hope Torque because of the high base fTP on Hi.
WSC not fTP, and yeah NIN can't wear Justiciar's anyways.

Totally tripped out atm. I was under the impression that the torque along with DA, Brutal, Eponas etcetcetc and AoA would increase the fTP?
I believe there was something said on it earlier in here, I'm just too lazy to flip through the pages ;-; What's it's effect on WSC?
Extra hits are all 1 http://fTP. WSC is the effect of mods.

Why the *** is that a link?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-11-30 19:13:53
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Ragnarok.Athina said: »
Odin.Llewelyn said: »
Would Hope Torque or Justiciar's Torque perform better with capped Crit hit rate?
Hope Torque because of the high base fTP on Hi.
Justiciar's is STR/attack, not DA...
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By colway 2011-12-01 10:36:20
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i just read the BG forum post on ele belts and im slightly confused, i have a shadow belt in my locker collecting dust. i normally use anguinus for blade: hi inside and cuch outside. would shadow belt be better as outside belt (maybe inside too)?

(i did read the whole thread a while back, dnt recall having seen this belt mentioned, but it was a while ago, and im not willing to re-read 20+ pages lol)
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By Odin.Zelphes 2011-12-01 10:56:49
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colway said: »
i just read the BG forum post on ele belts and im slightly confused, i have a shadow belt in my locker collecting dust. i normally use anguinus for blade: hi inside and cuch outside. would shadow belt be better as outside belt (maybe inside too)?

(i did read the whole thread a while back, dnt recall having seen this belt mentioned, but it was a while ago, and im not willing to re-read 20+ pages lol)

Stick with Anguinus's Belt for outside/inside builds (Cuch when applicable outside).
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By colway 2011-12-01 11:22:29
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any particular reasoning?
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By Odin.Zelphes 2011-12-01 11:52:54
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colway said: »
any particular reasoning?
This whole thread is filled with relevant info regarding this. Since you want the long answer, I'll fill you in.

Because Blade: Hi has a high fTP mod (100%-300%TP@ 4.0) the gains are lower using ele belts to that extent something that adds high ATK in same slot will beat ele belts. In addition to that, if you are in ATK capped situations on anything with relative high defense such as Dragua, Isgebind etc (Stalwarts, berserk up, RCB, minuets and/or chaos rolls on) Crudelis/any belt with high AGI will overtake Anguinus because that atk does nothing for WS, and stacking AGI for higher WSC DMG pulls ahead.
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By xenomasterkenshin 2011-12-07 14:55:51
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Question about haidate and hi here.

I currently use haidate with crit dmg +4% for HI but today in PT chat with some nerds claiming haidate can get crit rate +1/2% augmented (as wiki says) which i said its not possible, all i got augmented is + crit dmg % and sTP/random stat.

So i ask the community, is it possible to get crit rate on haidate? the page in BG says crit dmg % only.

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By Asura.Ina 2011-12-07 15:04:54
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Never seen one with crit rate.
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By Bismarck.Rinomaru 2011-12-07 15:06:20
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I think we need to make a
"Blade Hi for aftermath for Blade Shun"
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2011-12-08 16:52:17
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Can you get aftermath to kick in on non-;hi weapon skills? 300% TP :HI and 3 minutes of 5hit weapon skills could be sick!

Blade Shun is sexy. Seemed to benefit a lot from attack and STR gear as well as DEX. A beefy :jin build will be a good starting point for it. 5 hits is redonculous too. Don't quote me, but I swear I saw a TP return off of one of them for like 22% TP. With DAs and TAs, looking at 7-8 hit WSs on occasion.

I also pulled a 1500 dmg one on a fodder mob outside of abyssea. Bye Bye :jin, was a long arduous road with you by my side, but it is time for you to die!

I really wish that we could use all WS and get some decent damage out of them, seems like it would add a lot more variety for our play styles, if we could use all our WSs in different situations for flashy results. MB/SCs mostly.
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By Sylph.Sukasaroth 2011-12-08 16:59:00
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Leviathan.Draugo said: »
Can you get aftermath to kick in on non-;hi weapon skills? 300% TP :HI and 3 minutes of 5hit weapon skills could be sick!

Blade Shun is sexy. Seemed to benefit a lot from attack and STR gear as well as DEX. A beefy :jin build will be a good starting point for it. 5 hits is redonculous too. Don't quote me, but I swear I saw a TP return off of one of them for like 22% TP. With DAs and TAs, looking at 7-8 hit WSs on occasion.

I also pulled a 1500 dmg one on a fodder mob outside of abyssea. Bye Bye :jin, was a long arduous road with you by my side, but it is time for you to die!

I really wish that we could use all WS and get some decent damage out of them, seems like it would add a lot more variety for our play styles, if we could use all our WSs in different situations for flashy results. MB/SCs mostly.

Ever met Kuroganashi?
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2011-12-08 17:01:35
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Do you have a point?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-08 18:07:48
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Birds of a feather.

They're buffing Shun so the results in practice will heavily depend on how far they're willing to go. It could end up being a sidegrade to Jin depending on critrate/cRatio (more or less where it's at now), or it could end up replacing Hi in many situations.

EDIT: With the obvious caveat that Kannagi users will continue using Hi due to aftermath. Voidwatch might afford some opporunities to use Shun via 300 TP His, but given the combination of low cRatio, moderate critrate (Innin), and high TP overflow I would be unsurprised to see Blade: Hi outdamage Shun in such a situation. All speculation though.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2011-12-12 17:12:15
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Back from a break. Kind of lazy to window shop.



I know I should get that new feather helm thing, the big AGI ring and hachiryu sune-ate.
Been working on Haidate but HQ gods hate me.
Do AGI earrings beat brutal?
Should I get a different cape?
Love torque best if no tonberry hate?
Any other advice appreciated.
Thanks.
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By Asura.Dtroyy 2011-12-12 17:44:01
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Leviathan.Kincard said: »
Back from a break. Kind of lazy to window shop.



I know I should get that new feather helm thing, the big AGI ring and hachiryu sune-ate.
Been working on Haidate but HQ gods hate me.
Do AGI earrings beat brutal?
Should I get a different cape?
Love torque best if no tonberry hate? Yes
Any other advice appreciated.
Thanks.
Don't bother getting Hachiryu, AF2 +2 are coming out in 2 days.
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Shura head +1 - 3% ws dmg and can get dex + att on it
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2011-12-13 16:38:34
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quick question:
aias bonnet for outside decent sub until i acquire one of the proper pieces for an outside head?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-13 16:43:51
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Leviathan.Kincard said: »
Do AGI earrings beat brutal? No
Should I get a different cape? No
Love torque best if no tonberry hate? Hope Torque, generally speaking, but you'd be better off spending that time capping hate.
Any other advice appreciated. Not sure what's on those legs but Ambusher's Hose are probably better and will still be useful for your THF after you get good Haidate. The new dagger WS coming out has a heavy AGI mod.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2011-12-14 03:36:45
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Thanks for the info. Really hate that they made the Rancor Collar have such an annoying requisite- makes it so that every time I would fight a Tonberry for whatever reason it means I have to spend like, 2 hours or so afterwards just to bring my neck slot back up to par. Bleh.

I've been noticing a lot of back-and-forth about trying to up dDEX outside Abyssea. Is there any information about how much AGI the VWNMs run around with? Would make it easier for me to know how often I should be sacrificing other stats for DEX.

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Shura head +1 - 3% ws dmg and can get dex + att on it

Hm, what situations would that beat 12 DEX and AGI on Ocelo. Headpiece?

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Not sure what's on those legs

I went with DA/CritDam on them. Don't really have a linkshell at the moment, so don't have access to Ambusher's Hose easily- been spending most of my time farming sky for Byakko's Seals on my own so I'll go straight to the Haidate. Assuming the synergy ever spits out anything other than more VIT and Resist Paralyze augments...I could've sold all those dumb scraps I've wasted on it so far and gotten a Ocelo. Headpiece+1 with the gil by now. >_>
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-14 09:28:29
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Leviathan.Kincard said: »
Thanks for the info. Really hate that they made the Rancor Collar have such an annoying requisite- makes it so that every time I would fight a Tonberry for whatever reason it means I have to spend like, 2 hours or so afterwards just to bring my neck slot back up to par. Bleh.
I haven't reset my hate since obtaining one and it honestly hasn't been an issue even fighting Murk-Veined Baneberry and the Abyssea-Konschtat NMs a few times.

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I've been noticing a lot of back-and-forth about trying to up dDEX outside Abyssea. Is there any information about how much AGI the VWNMs run around with? Would make it easier for me to know how often I should be sacrificing other stats for DEX.
Too much to reasonably cap. ~VT and lesser mobs will generally have more favorable AGI scores though.

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Hm, what situations would that beat 12 DEX and AGI on Ocelo. Headpiece?
Abyssea for sure. A well augmented one can also beat it outside barring high critrate from Ocelomeh.

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Don't really have a linkshell at the moment, so don't have access to Ambusher's Hose easily
Not sure if serious. Grab a WHM, poke it till it puts out.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2011-12-14 11:41:17
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Abyssea for sure. A well augmented one can also beat it outside barring high critrate from Ocelomeh.
Oh. Does that mean my WSDam/CritDam Anwig also beats Ocelomeh inside?

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Not sure if serious. Grab a WHM, poke it till it puts out.
Well, I more meant that *every single person* in my LS and friendlist has stopped playing (at the moment, anyway). I know I could shout or solo it, I'm just being lazy right now. =P
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By Lakshmi.Krazykozy 2011-12-21 14:10:53
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This is my "inside abyssea" set: Kote's have Int+1 Stp+3 and Crit Hit Rate +3, Kitty pants have yet to be augmented and Ambushers hose doesnt seem to want to drop for me even with blue proc lol




This is my "outside abyssea" set, swapped out kaftan for +2 af3 nin body.


Any insight on how I might be able to make these better and more consistant in terms of dmg output would be greatly appreciated. TY

P.S. Yea I know Lithe boots are lol but, at the time its what I had lol
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2011-12-21 14:21:21
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epona's over rajas.
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By Pandemonium.Anookulchandra 2011-12-21 14:23:32
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Right now I'm working on koga kyahan+2 which would be the better choice atm I believe inside and out. Also if you can go get the COP earring with attack+4 tp bonus on it.
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By Asura.Ina 2011-12-21 14:32:53
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Going for full strengh merits is still the most benifical over all yes? or are there new gear choices that change this?
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By Ragnarok.Gunit 2011-12-21 14:49:35
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Ocelo. headpiece better then Leonine Mask for outside of abyssea?
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