god is male?
isnt he outside this universe?
how can you tell?
and werent we created out of his image...so he is evil as well.
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God Did Not Create The Universe, Says Hawking
God did not create the universe, says Hawking
Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said:
Saiii said:
Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said:
Saiii said:
Phoenix.Darki said:
If god exists 'outside' this universe, then he can't be material like we are, and he is at the same level of our thoughts....
If "God" exists, the explanation I gave above, should answer your question.
Saiii said:
Yes, it is based completely off opinion and thought.
But aren't these concepts not equally as important to our lives as those of science and observation?
At a deeper level, would this not be required to explain the "Free-Will" paradox in the christian belief system?
But aren't these concepts not equally as important to our lives as those of science and observation?
At a deeper level, would this not be required to explain the "Free-Will" paradox in the christian belief system?
I'm sorry, but "thoughts" are a series of chemical and electrical reactions in cased inside a human organ called a brain.
I don't think anyone would argue on that point.
It seems your responses, pretty much go with the statement that I made earlier.
That any "proof" and I use that word loosely here, that a believer can give for "God" is simply rejected as not being good enough.
Is it not the perfect way to reveal oneself though? Through subjective experience. In this way, you would be able to "prove" yourself 100% to one person with out hindering the free will of anyone else.
As I said before, the only proof you're able to bring to the table is a sentence.
If you were to tell me prove milk exists.
I would drive to the grocery store, pick up a gallon, bring it back to you, open it, pour a cup, and set it on front of you.
If you were to tell me prove god exists.
I would sit there and wonder where you get that awesome ***you're smoking.
What gave you the ability to question whether milk exists?
EtienneLoire said:
Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said:
EtienneLoire said:
But if I die and get to meet what ever it is that welcomes me so be it, I will accept it.
I'm sure you're well aware of what happens when you sleep.
Death is just something you don't wake up from. Hence, there's no where to go. Except 6 feet under, if you elect burial, a crematory if you elect cremation or decomposition if you elect to be left there.
will I turn into mako energy and return to the planet, or into dark matter?
Then wake up in another solar system out of another being womb saying "De ja vu, have I done this before"?
This is how I always felt when born, no lying. I can remember stuff around when I was not even one yet, and I always felt weird.
Could that be what is called reincarnation?
None of that. Half life of particles have been shown and proven (unlike god). Although some molecules have half lives even longer than the current age of the physical universe, they all eventually revert back to their atomic state.
Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said:
Saiii said:
Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said:
Saiii said:
Phoenix.Darki said:
If god exists 'outside' this universe, then he can't be material like we are, and he is at the same level of our thoughts....
If "God" exists, the explanation I gave above, should answer your question.
Saiii said:
Yes, it is based completely off opinion and thought.
But aren't these concepts not equally as important to our lives as those of science and observation?
At a deeper level, would this not be required to explain the "Free-Will" paradox in the christian belief system?
But aren't these concepts not equally as important to our lives as those of science and observation?
At a deeper level, would this not be required to explain the "Free-Will" paradox in the christian belief system?
I'm sorry, but "thoughts" are a series of chemical and electrical reactions in cased inside a human organ called a brain.
I don't think anyone would argue on that point.
It seems your responses, pretty much go with the statement that I made earlier.
That any "proof" and I use that word loosely here, that a believer can give for "God" is simply rejected as not being good enough.
Is it not the perfect way to reveal oneself though? Through subjective experience. In this way, you would be able to "prove" yourself 100% to one person with out hindering the free will of anyone else.
As I said before, the only proof you're able to bring to the table is a sentence.
If you were to tell me prove milk exists.
I would drive to the grocery store, pick up a gallon, bring it back to you, open it, pour a cup, and set it on front of you.
If you were to tell me prove god exists.
I would sit there and wonder where you get that awesome ***you're smoking.
LOOOOOL
i feel so insulted.....
EtienneLoire said:
Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said:
Saiii said:
Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said:
Saiii said:
Phoenix.Darki said:
If god exists 'outside' this universe, then he can't be material like we are, and he is at the same level of our thoughts....
If "God" exists, the explanation I gave above, should answer your question.
Saiii said:
Yes, it is based completely off opinion and thought.
But aren't these concepts not equally as important to our lives as those of science and observation?
At a deeper level, would this not be required to explain the "Free-Will" paradox in the christian belief system?
But aren't these concepts not equally as important to our lives as those of science and observation?
At a deeper level, would this not be required to explain the "Free-Will" paradox in the christian belief system?
I'm sorry, but "thoughts" are a series of chemical and electrical reactions in cased inside a human organ called a brain.
I don't think anyone would argue on that point.
It seems your responses, pretty much go with the statement that I made earlier.
That any "proof" and I use that word loosely here, that a believer can give for "God" is simply rejected as not being good enough.
Is it not the perfect way to reveal oneself though? Through subjective experience. In this way, you would be able to "prove" yourself 100% to one person with out hindering the free will of anyone else.
As I said before, the only proof you're able to bring to the table is a sentence.
If you were to tell me prove milk exists.
I would drive to the grocery store, pick up a gallon, bring it back to you, open it, pour a cup, and set it on front of you.
If you were to tell me prove god exists.
I would sit there and wonder where you get that awesome ***you're smoking.
What gave you the ability to question whether milk exists?
The electrical and chemical reactions in my brain.
"In "The Grand Design," co-authored with U.S. physicist Leonard Mlodinow, Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe redundant, according to the Times newspaper which published extracts on Thursday."
Anyone bother reading the quote? He says that the theories made a creator of the universe redundant; not that there was no god and he didn't make the universe by proxy. In fact, he left open the possibility that God created the laws of physics which then, consequently, spawned the universe.
The author of the article that was quoted probably didn't even understand what Hawking meant. In essence, he was probably like the author of this post, hoping to get in before someone else posted his 'ohmuhgod someone says God doesn't exist' news article. The sad part is, the author of the news article gets paid for it.
Anyone bother reading the quote? He says that the theories made a creator of the universe redundant; not that there was no god and he didn't make the universe by proxy. In fact, he left open the possibility that God created the laws of physics which then, consequently, spawned the universe.
The author of the article that was quoted probably didn't even understand what Hawking meant. In essence, he was probably like the author of this post, hoping to get in before someone else posted his 'ohmuhgod someone says God doesn't exist' news article. The sad part is, the author of the news article gets paid for it.
EtienneLoire said:
Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said:
Saiii said:
Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said:
Saiii said:
Phoenix.Darki said:
If god exists 'outside' this universe, then he can't be material like we are, and he is at the same level of our thoughts....
If "God" exists, the explanation I gave above, should answer your question.
Saiii said:
Yes, it is based completely off opinion and thought.
But aren't these concepts not equally as important to our lives as those of science and observation?
At a deeper level, would this not be required to explain the "Free-Will" paradox in the christian belief system?
But aren't these concepts not equally as important to our lives as those of science and observation?
At a deeper level, would this not be required to explain the "Free-Will" paradox in the christian belief system?
I'm sorry, but "thoughts" are a series of chemical and electrical reactions in cased inside a human organ called a brain.
I don't think anyone would argue on that point.
It seems your responses, pretty much go with the statement that I made earlier.
That any "proof" and I use that word loosely here, that a believer can give for "God" is simply rejected as not being good enough.
Is it not the perfect way to reveal oneself though? Through subjective experience. In this way, you would be able to "prove" yourself 100% to one person with out hindering the free will of anyone else.
As I said before, the only proof you're able to bring to the table is a sentence.
If you were to tell me prove milk exists.
I would drive to the grocery store, pick up a gallon, bring it back to you, open it, pour a cup, and set it on front of you.
If you were to tell me prove god exists.
I would sit there and wonder where you get that awesome ***you're smoking.
What gave you the ability to question whether milk exists?
You can also ask me if cheese exists, its the same concept.
How can you prove anything exists if you never seen, smelled, touched, tasted, or heard it before? Or know where to find it, and are able to go there yourself and prove that it, in fact, exists?
Phoenix.Darki said:
god is male?
isnt he outside this universe?
how can you tell?
and werent we created out of his image...so he is evil as well.
Welcome! being inconsistant.
isnt he outside this universe?
how can you tell?
and werent we created out of his image...so he is evil as well.
Welcome! being inconsistant.
If "God" exists, it is unlikely that he would have a sex as we understand them.
I think people use "he" because they don't like to use the word "it" to describe something so important to them.
Yup, after all of this information I just have one thing i'd like to say.
*** Stephen Hawking
Thank you that is all.
*** Stephen Hawking
Thank you that is all.
Valefor.Bladerah said:
Yup, after all of this information I just have one thing i'd like to say.
*** Stephen Hawking
Thank you that is all.
*** Stephen Hawking
Thank you that is all.
Yes we got it the first time.
This old chestnut.
Valefor.Bladerah said:
Yup, after all of this information I just have one thing i'd like to say.
*** Stephen Hawking
Thank you that is all.
*** Stephen Hawking
Thank you that is all.
Give the guy a chance to speak before telling him to *** himself.
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It's amazing what humans can do with ideas.
What reason is there to get up each morning if you're just a puppet in a pre-planned system run by an omnipotent being who literally has all the control? Furthermore, it's all controlled by a being who is officially dickish enough to punish you for not believing in him, despite giving you no direct evidence of his existence and choosing to create you with skepticism. It's a cruel joke.
Randomguy said:
Don't forget that laws were created based by religion.
By comparison, three of the Commandments (no other gods, no graven images, name in vain) are expressly forbidden from being enforced by the Constitution itself.
Our laws are silent on, or completely permissive of, the other four.
Doesn't seem like a very good score card for their argument.
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Phoenix.Darki said:
god is male?
isnt he outside this universe?
how can you tell?
and werent we created out of his image...so he is evil as well.
Welcome! being inconsistant.
isnt he outside this universe?
how can you tell?
and werent we created out of his image...so he is evil as well.
Welcome! being inconsistant.
God is "it" pretty much, bible movies make you see his voice as a man.
"create us in his image'
Because of this people think god is a humanoid type being, with no sex.
But if god were to pop u[ and reveal it's self and there was a being no different than Hermaphroditus, what would we say?
A women with both gentitals? male? no face being?
Ifrit.Arawn said:
"In "The Grand Design," co-authored with U.S. physicist Leonard Mlodinow, Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe redundant, according to the Times newspaper which published extracts on Thursday."
Anyone bother reading the quote? He says that the theories made a creator of the universe redundant; not that there was no god and he didn't make the universe by proxy. In fact, he left open the possibility that God created the laws of physics which then, consequently, spawned the universe.
The author of the article that was quoted probably didn't even understand what Hawking meant. In essence, he was probably like the author of this post, hoping to get in before someone else posted his 'ohmuhgod someone says God doesn't exist' news article. The sad part is, the author of the news article gets paid for it.
Anyone bother reading the quote? He says that the theories made a creator of the universe redundant; not that there was no god and he didn't make the universe by proxy. In fact, he left open the possibility that God created the laws of physics which then, consequently, spawned the universe.
The author of the article that was quoted probably didn't even understand what Hawking meant. In essence, he was probably like the author of this post, hoping to get in before someone else posted his 'ohmuhgod someone says God doesn't exist' news article. The sad part is, the author of the news article gets paid for it.
Exactly, Hawking's main idea in the book would probably be to backup the theory that there are multiple universes. Which is why 1. we no longer believe our universe is infinite and the highest level of existence and 2 there is a 5th dimension, pending data from microwave probes, that holds each universal plane.
His statement "god" didn't create the big bang was a publicist stunt to cause discussions such as this one we're having and to draw awareness to his book.
Saiii said:
Phoenix.Darki said:
god is male?
isnt he outside this universe?
how can you tell?
and werent we created out of his image...so he is evil as well.
Welcome! being inconsistant.
isnt he outside this universe?
how can you tell?
and werent we created out of his image...so he is evil as well.
Welcome! being inconsistant.
If "God" exists, it is unlikely that he would have a sex as we understand them.
I think people use "he" because they don't like to use the word "it" to describe something so important to them.
making him more of a thought than a real thing...
EtienneLoire said:
Phoenix.Darki said:
god is male?
isnt he outside this universe?
how can you tell?
and werent we created out of his image...so he is evil as well.
Welcome! being inconsistant.
isnt he outside this universe?
how can you tell?
and werent we created out of his image...so he is evil as well.
Welcome! being inconsistant.
God is "it" pretty much, bible movies make you see his voice as a man.
"create us in his image'
Because of this people think god is a humanoid type being, with no sex.
But if god were to pop u[ and reveal it's self and there was a being no different than Hermaphroditus, what would we say?
A women with both gentitals? male? no face being?
Or a non existent being created by humans to try and justify a truly pointless existence.
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Valefor.Bladerah said:
Yup, after all of this information I just have one thing i'd like to say. *** Stephen Hawking Thank you that is all.
I think there is a reason Hawking does not believe in god, just look how *** up he is lol.
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Ragnarok.Twinbladehaseo said:
I think there is a reason Hawking does not believe in god, just look how *** up he is lol.
Worst logic ever.
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Ragnarok.Twinbladehaseo said:
I think there is a reason Hawking does not believe in god, just look how *** up he is lol.
Very true.
And the same reason why god won't heal amputees. Because god doesn't exist.
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