God Did Not Create The Universe, Says Hawking

Coincidental that such a sensational claim (sure to make headlines and cause internet discussion everywhere) coincides with his new book release?


Think whatever you like of him as a theorist or agnostic (his previous stance), the man does know how to generate interest in his book.

Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche certainly got a lot of mileage out of the "God is dead" sensationalism for his books during his lifetime. And while I am sure Hawkins will stand by his statements, the cynic in me suspects he was prodded to do so in such a public manner by his publicist.

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Is it time for me to bust out my unbelievable credentials picture again?

God is just crazy talk, and the absence of proof is not the reason for my lack of belief.

But, I do... I wasn't kidding when I said I had 2.

They do not, that's the thing.

You don't get to make any sweeping statement in science based on faith, unless your statement can provably predict, and reproduce, future events.

When Einstein said "Relativity! Ta dah!" the default assumption among all scientists was that he was flat-out wrong. It was "just a theory," and a fairly crackpot one at that. Until years later, a solar eclipse showed gravitational lensing of stars precisely in accordance with his theory.

That's how science works. Religion does not work this way. It is a false parallel. It only seems like the same thing if people didn't pay attention in science class, and see science only as some pseudo-authority figure asking them to accept things on faith.

Which also gave light to the idea of negative energy.

This is like saying our universe is a crystal ball that a little kid called God is holding and poking us through it.

Theres no such a thing as 'outside' or 'inside' this universe. The people who think this, have it very very wrong.

Theism- belief in that a god exists
Atheism- lack of belief that a god exists

Gnosticism - claims to know that something exists
agnosticism - claim to not know if something exists


Gnostic theist believe in a god and claim to know that god exists

Agnostic theists believe in a god, but admit that they do no know if that god exists

Gnostic atheists do not believe in a god, and claim to know that god does not exist.

Agnostic atheists do not believe in a god, but do not know whether god really exists.

This is all any human can state. But if all theists were gonostic theists, and all atheists were gnostic atheists... the demands of "Prove there is a god!Prove there isn't!" would be valid.

Not all theists say there is 100% proof of a god, and not all atheists say there is 100% proof there is a god.

So this cycle will always continue till the end of time, all you can do is wait for death, live your life, that is it.

I wouldn't say it's crazy talk.

It's human faith.

If anything humans have unique to ourselves is the ability to hold a thought and believe in something.

I think that ability itself is more powerful than 'god' which is just a product of our aptitude.

inb4 the Bible has morales so god must exist

People would do better to just accept the fact that God is not and will not ever be proven through objective evidence.

"God" is a subjective experience that differs from person to person.

Considering this, it those who don't believe in "God" would do better to stop asking for objective proof when they know it does not exist.

If you do not have anything relevant to the thread please do not ***it up.

I'd rather believe in the greek gods, which are closer to being a God to me, they are just as human only with a higher power or whatever. Not saying I believe in them, I believe in no God.

This God society portrays as the untouchable is stupid;
can god create a rock so heavy he can't lift it himself?

lol *** please.

Or the product of cows, in the case of the milk jug.

*** christ i thought hawking knew this

How is it irrelevant? Belief that the bible has morales doesn't suddenly prove the existence of god.

Seeing as the majority of people who want to try and prove that a god exists, they use the ridiculous argument that the bible has moralistic value and therefore god must exist.

We're not asking for proof as a method of evidence acquisition.

We know the truth, that god is a fictional being created by human faith.

We ask for "proof" to degrade those who believe in "god" simply because once a believer is presented with that question, they have absolutely nothing to offer.

That is the problem... we do not know what is out there. We are but a spec, a tiny grain of sand in a vast expanding and forever changing universe.

Why is this such an absurd thought?

Why do you believe that our universe is the "highest" level of reality?

LOL

I haven't said such things, please don't misunderstand.

Misconception.

The scientific community no longer thinks the universe is the highest level of existence.

My point is that there are uneducated people on both sides who make silly claims. I said that many people say that about theory because they believe theory is fact when it, indeed, is not. I am talking about average people, not scientists or priests.

can you read my posts? otherwise shut the hell up.

God/science aside, I do not think it is the highest level of reality.

So can I ask what atheist think of reincarnation? If you do not go to heaven, hell, or a after life?

What happens to you after you die? you turn into mako energy to fuel the planet and keep it form being destroyed?

i want answers, please.

You must have never seen the Lion king.

But there's your answer.