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 Asura.Lolserj
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-12-03 19:07:57
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why are people talking about vayne winning all out fights during laning phase?

this certainly won't happen especially if you max out silver bolts (yes tumbling around is that important)
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-12-03 19:14:04
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You *** are making me want to play Vayne.

I suck with Vayne. Stop it. ;_;
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-12-03 19:18:15
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She's all about microing and mechanics (ADC mechanics are essential and orb walking is very important)

that and knowing what to build and when, and when you can essentially go in 1v5 (i essentially cleaned up a team 1v5 the other day only to be killed by a fed karth preventing me from getting the quadra or penta, can't remember if I actually got to kill the enemy cait)
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By Odin.Minefield 2012-12-03 19:19:17
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Other team was too busy boxing with shadows.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-12-03 19:21:01
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I almost got a penta kill but the entire enemy team was there



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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-12-03 19:24:40
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Orb walking?
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-12-03 19:27:56
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Orb walking?

i think a simple way to put it would be to end the animation of the autoattack more quickly with movement to make kiting and chasing easier
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2012-12-03 19:30:08
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moving just after you attack cutting down the animation so you keep up with your target

edit: beat
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-12-03 19:30:57
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Ah... I've seen it but I don't know how to do it. >_>
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2012-12-03 19:35:01
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yeah i usually just cancel my auto attack lol. I figure pros do it with move only + attack move commands bound to their mouse buttons.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-12-03 19:37:52
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i feel like there are many ways to do it

I personally dislike attack move for anything except for walking through bushes

just because I like having the control I get when I furiously click where i want to move and what i want to attack
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By Bismarck.Faelar 2012-12-03 19:43:44
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
You *** are making me want to play Vayne.

I suck with Vayne. Stop it. ;_;

Vayne is prolly my best champ.

Though Katarina is coming up as a close contender o.o
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-12-03 19:45:04
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My Jax eats Vayne for breakfast if she's not hyper-carrying. Still, that invisible saves her *** sometimes. Late game I'll snag an Oracles just to crush her during her ult.
By volkom 2012-12-03 19:49:11
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thats like...an unfair comparison to make D:
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-12-03 19:51:36
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It probably is lol.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-12-03 20:03:48
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normally with just enough peel a vayne should be safe from any single target champion

though champions like jax can be problematic (the gap closer and stun are a pain in the ***)

if I'd have to name a champion that was the biggest pain for me (and actually the biggest help when they're on my team) if on the enemy team it would have to be Karthus

if he's on the other team a well placed wall/sitting in the middle of the *** fight with his stupid *** defile will make me want to punch the Karthus player through the screen

but if he's on my team I can just tumble around in his AoE and feel safe (Karthus is amazing front line for an ADC)
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-12-03 20:10:27
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Hm. Never thought of Karthus that way. I've never had much problem with Karthus. I've had one come close to carrying his team, got fed up the ***, but he still wasn't a major threat. Interesting new perspective.
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By Rhaokin 2012-12-03 20:16:14
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Anyone playing and need another? I'll play anything. Want to test out my new graphics card. <3
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-12-03 20:18:18
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I'll be on in an hour.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-12-03 20:24:36
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Asura.Lolserj said: »
why are people talking about vayne winning all out fights during laning phase?

this certainly won't happen especially if you max out silver bolts (yes tumbling around is that important)
The switch took place when they nerfed tumble. Some people feel that the attack bonus from it doesn't justify full points as being the first skill, but it's also a very viable defensive option too, and the cdr helps with that.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-12-03 20:32:21
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
Asura.Lolserj said: »
why are people talking about vayne winning all out fights during laning phase?

this certainly won't happen especially if you max out silver bolts (yes tumbling around is that important)
The switch took place when they nerfed tumble. Some people feel that the attack bonus from it doesn't justify full points as being the first skill, but it's also a very viable defensive option too, and the cdr helps with that.

I've heard of a switch from tumble to condemn but never to bolts

its probably the least damage you'd get during laning phase anyways (people are HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE if they let you hit them 3 times in a row without retaliation)
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By Bahamut.Serj 2012-12-03 21:55:21
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
Asura.Lolserj said: »
why are people talking about vayne winning all out fights during laning phase?

this certainly won't happen especially if you max out silver bolts (yes tumbling around is that important)
The switch took place when they nerfed tumble. Some people feel that the attack bonus from it doesn't justify full points as being the first skill, but it's also a very viable defensive option too, and the cdr helps with that.


It's a 2 second cooldown at level 5. Tumble has really high returns when leveling it up, while silver bolts scale better min-late game than early game.
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By Phoenix.Zello 2012-12-03 22:01:05
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-12-03 22:02:35
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Bahamut.Serj said: »
Cerberus.Eugene said: »
Asura.Lolserj said: »
why are people talking about vayne winning all out fights during laning phase?

this certainly won't happen especially if you max out silver bolts (yes tumbling around is that important)
The switch took place when they nerfed tumble. Some people feel that the attack bonus from it doesn't justify full points as being the first skill, but it's also a very viable defensive option too, and the cdr helps with that.


It's a 2 second cooldown at level 5. Tumble has really high returns when leveling it up, while silver bolts scale better min-late game than early game.
oh yeah I still level tumble first, I was just commenting on when the mindset shift took place.
Asura.Lolserj said: »
I've heard of a switch from tumble to condemn but never to bolts

its probably the least damage you'd get during laning phase anyways (people are HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE if they let you hit them 3 times in a row without retaliation)
yeah the viable suggestion was probably condemn but people come up with weird interpretations
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By Rhaokin 2012-12-03 23:47:30
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
You *** are making me want to play Vayne.

I suck with Vayne. Stop it. ;_;

You did good last game! <3

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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-12-03 23:48:30
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>_______________________>

I maxed tumble instead of silver bolts and it made a world of difference. Plus, Eugene was a good support. That Ez was crafty - the Blitz was daft.
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By Rhaokin 2012-12-03 23:48:59
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Blitz even let *me* kill him, and everything he does stops my ult lol >___>
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2012-12-04 00:06:34
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
I'll maybe have 70 if I'm top or mid by minute 10, but I usually suck bad at last hitting bottom. I only work well in a kill-lane bot, really.
Only champion with which I can reach 100~ creeps per 10 minutes is ZED. I even reached 110 once, between the 10th and 20th mark.

Everyone else is usually 70~, though it really depends on their respective AD, but ZED has it MUCH easier. I managed to do 80 as Jax yesterday, but this Yorick pretty much gave me the lane.
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By Shiva.Gansito 2012-12-04 00:17:58
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going to start a new account. If any1 wants to join me it is "XxOpNoobxX"
By volkom 2012-12-04 00:37:59
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the game is changing !!!!
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