Haste Vs. Accuracy Endgame

No, I'm not putting words into your mouth, I'm quoting what you said yourself. All you're doing is contradicting yourself:


tl;dr: You're an idiot.

In case you still haven't seen it yet.

Yes I am. As I said, it's a respectable damage combo on par with the Blau/Sirocco.

(37+33) / (33+26) = 1.186

Which means it's roughly 18.6% more DOT at the cost of

(210+178) / (178+150) = 1.1829

...at the cost of 18.29% delay. You get more WSs off with Blau/Sirocco because of its lower delay and whatnot, but that could be countered by the higher DMG you'd getting from using p.harpe/blau.

I think the main issue of this debate is that your putting down gear because YOU alone think it's bad.

Gear listed before is not worthless in any way, shape, or form. What you are trying to say is, that something that can still do the job, and has no downsides really is utterly pathetic and useless. Hell if anything you could own all pieces and swap them around. Game is situational, either you adapt to your situation or your going to get burned.

Right now we are at a point where TP burning by capping haste followed by accuracy is the norm, and if your TP burning then you are doing to want whatever sTP you can get in order to make it more efficent. The fact is that your putting down good gear that achives that and offers no real loss.

Not sure what the dagger issue thing is, I could care less. My main point is about the armor.

Oh look, they mean the same thing....Waiting for your response.

This is kind of sad. You really, really want to win this internet argument, don't you? Taking things out of context, believing what you want to believe in, distorting my stance like there's no tomorrow. You're quoting single words and trying to pass it off as my point, for god's sake.

Anyone with half a brain would know better.

I've already gone over my stance a number of times in this thread, I'm not going to continue to do so with you because you'll just continue to ignore it and believe what you want anyways. Feel free to throw out more memes and pat yourself on the back when it's all over.

See:

Also, see:

It's all in the thread, all you have to do is read and comprehend. Although I admit, this thread is getting a tad long.

Your math is only relevant if you have amnesia 100% of the time. Pharpe's %incrase during WS is going to be considerably less.

So your stance is that unless you have the best gear, you shouldn't be using sub-par pieces? Then why do you use P.Harp? You're using it until you can get X's Knife right?

Unless I'm wrong, I'm pretty sure P.Harp is sub-par to X's Knife, so going by your own "stance", you're doing it wrong.

Didn't you say in the example of Back pieces, that you should farm for an Amemet Mantle +1 so you can be somewhat decent (sub-par), until you can get a Forager's/Chuchalain's? You said you shouldn't aim for sub-par gear and I'm pretty sure farming for an HQ Amemet counts as going through the trouble to obtain a sub-par piece of gear.

And the reason I'm having to use bold so god damn much is because you can't see with your own eyes that you're making a horrible argument and just contradicting yourself/being a hypocrite.

Can you provide numbers yourself, then?

Oh my god. I'm not going to keep doing this with you. I've completely lost track of how many times I've gone over my stance and you still don't get it.

Oh yeah I saw. But you still went on about how it wasn't for several posts. And honestly if you know what you are doing Add on missions / campaign is easy to get the gears. If its taking you more than a month to get add-on's done then something is wrong.

And if getting 'subpar' equipment is bad, then does that mean that me getting my Iron Ram set is bad and that I should have worked my sorry *** off to get sea, and sky access and get Koenig? Please do tell me I am wrong so I can put your words into the ground...
Same can be said for you buddy.

I'm not going to make a thf set, but I'll give you a general go through.

Let's say we do dancing edge and have 100 DEX for SA (Idk what thf wears, just using this as a sample)

6 hit ws when /nin, 100 dex bonus only applies to first hit. We have 7 FSTR (adds 7 dmg to each wep).

33+7 = 40
37+7 = 44
26+7 = 33

Dancing Edge Pharp/blau

144 + 44 +44 +44 +44 + 40(offhand hit) = 360 DMG

Dancing Edge Blau/Sirroco

140 + 40 + 40 + 40 + 40 + 33(offhand hit) = 333 DMG

360/333 = 1.08108 = 8.108% increase in WS DMG.

You haven't used WSC (which actually weakens PHarpe comparatively here)!

I'm pretty sure that you're the one who doesn't get it. Not one person in this thread is agreeing with anything you say, about 5 different people have proved you wrong on different accounts and you continue to argue. You're obviously wrong and don't want to admit it. All your posts are getting rated down for a reason, you know.

I have all three pieces, and I've obtained all of them the second day the expansion was released. Assume more about me, and thanks.

Not to say it was fun.

I'm not a PLD myself so I can't be too specific. However, first of all, god yes, get sky/sea already. Second, I think some pieces of Iron Ram is good for the mag def bonus. If you don't intend to work towards Ares body/Hydra body/V.body, then yeah, you're doing it wrong. I don't see too many people running around in Koenig anymore though.


Can you like, tell me why? I'm not the one distorting other people arguments here. Being persistent is no such indication.

Can you like, stop being dumb?

Not to mention if you're doing stuff like lowmanning Limbus or fighting high end stuff, you don't want to be doing it in ***for gear. You *need* those sub-par temporary pieces to complete the tasks required to obtain those amazing end all be all pieces. You're completely right but they won't admit they're wrong so it's pointless to continue on in this manner of proving them wrong.

I'm out for the night, gonna go drink with some friends, wooh! Be on laterish to see what other dumb posts they reply with.

Thank you! I'm off to get wasted now and wake up on a roof on top of a Vegas hotel, Hangover style.

I remember earlier you said something along the lines of me mentioning obvious, basic mechanics, though when the obvious, basic mechanic of DMG% being differnt between TP and WS, it magically seems to slip your mind. Hence, me mentioning obvious, basic mechanics, because, as I said earlier, I don't think you know what the *** you're talking about.

So then if you were smart you know that the add-on pieces have extreme use for every job and they are by no means subpar, the pants more so than anything as they beat Bravo's hands down.

Also I could care waaay less about lolseasky. My personal opinon, *** it. Skill > Gear is what I go by. Usually I don't like the 'you need this certain piece of gear to do your job right' thing. But if it's easy to obtain and it would certainly improve you overall, at least attempt to get it if nothing else. If you are good enough without it, I'd personally say screw it.

And it's mostly cause you started crap that didn't need to be started. Kinda like messing with a hornets nest, we don't like it when people give crap opinons and can't back it up.

This is never accurate, though. You're leaving stuff out.

Skill + gear > skill ≥ gear > neither skill nor gear.

If you have two equally skilled players, then the one with better gear is going to win. If you yourself do something multiple times, one with a supbar set of gear, and once with awesome gear, you will do better with the better gear. In the same sense you can be the best player ever, and be given a lv 1 weapon, gear does have to do with performance too, which is why the combo of skill + gear is best, can't rly just say skill > gear

Actually, the math was done, dance shoes+1 are better than emissary boots. There's a thread on BG about it, was over a year ago though.

In his defence sub par and decent are not =/=. Decent being acceptable and sub par being unacceptable, less than expected etc.

As for the contradiction *** that's been going on for a page and a half:

He agreed, but rather do it his way, let it die already.