[dev1065] Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Weapon Upgrades

self-satisfaction knowing you screwed people over on millions of gil and time for 8~ months? i don't blame you, no ones forcing them to go, but it's hardly self-satisfaction lol.

Theres alot better things they could of made instead of a useless time sink so we can glow a certian color. Most ppl have valid complaints cause se is too stupid and lazy to make something usefull, fun and we can actually enjoy. I've never done ADL but i dont see how its easily done by most players.

if it's the pushing point for me to quit and do something else I wouldn't complain if there's nothing else left to do in the game. In a game so outdated but still moderately fun it's a win/win situation in my eyes whether someone keeps playing or quits. There's always other options vs this game where there's only so much they can add to this crusty thing that we all still somehow love and the people that play it.

Every MMO ever made:


The system actually works better for the majority of players because they can realistically obtain things they can be proud of, while still offering "hardcore" players alternatives albeit at an increasingly diminishing returns rate. A glowing weapon that's 50 times harder to get than the non-glowing one is the epitome of MMO design.

I don't think slave labor linkshells exist anymore, or at least those stupid enough to go along with this without some kind of compensation. I see it more as someone with way too much gil to throw around, who wants the ultimate in trophy gear that shines in town. People also buy clothes, cars and houses that cost 20-1,000+ times that what ordinary people pay for items of the same utility. Again, I don't see the problem. No one is forcing you to make this upgrade; the fact that it's offered at all shows they're thinking about the vast variety of different types of people who play this game.

no one is forcing you to do it! classic response.

Yes. It's an option for someone who wants another invisible dangling e-carrot. It's there for them if you they want it to be.

Can you illustrate what's wrong with this or are you just instigating?

if you dont know whats at fault with that response, then im not going to even bother. it's been torn apart in a bajillion threads already.

I could understand if there was a difference in utility between the two. If it were a better weapon, obviously the whole "no one is forcing you to do it" is faulty because we assume people want to keep gear they've spent a very long time on at its best.

The point is, it's not. They made them virtually the same weapons (afterglow is laughable) because of this, so that stage 1 is just as viable an "end" as stage 2 is, minus the fact it glows. If you want your weapon to glow, which is a pure ego reward, you put in the extra effort, or you say *** that ***and don't do it, laugh at people who do, it's completely up to you. I seriously don't get this.

Be nice, if that these after glow effects could be placed on trials for ppl whp have made WOE emp weapons.

Just because we used coin, instead of Abyssea...

<Feeling left out, but not QQ'ing>

Just sayin...

(Feels like SE is hatin or they isolating certian abilites ( or types of weps made) if you didn't make the cut, if you didn't spend all that damn time making an Abys Emp wep....)

-.-

Question please, was this the update that raped my Ukko's WAR??

Should be exclusive to the real shinies, fake shinies don't deserve it.

I think it's utterly hilarious to do a trial for an afterglow effect that you don't benefit from but for other people to benefit from. There's nothing wrong with you for doing so, I just couldn't bring myself to care about giving crit rate enhancements to my PUG gameplay style.

In vw I'd just get condemned to backburner party hell anwyays I'm sure Blackmages and Summoners will rejoice and melee with their Claustrums in glee.

Meh...

Just a matter of opinion. You have your opinion, as well as mine.

Would you be mad bro, of all of a sudden SE just goes ahead and makes something awesome for the WOE peeps who made emp weapons their way??

I highly see some QQ going on, if something special came about, and all the ppl who made their Abyss Empy, got rooked, just b/c they didn't make a WOE....

C'mon???

TBH, idc really about afterglow.. just another gimmick.

<shrugs>

Eh.

VW chapter 4 has yet to come. Those NMs could ***Riftdross/Riftcinder for all we know.

Unlikely since they said that Empyrean would take much longer (for stage 1) compared to relic.

It's not impossible, but I just don't see it happening. Same goes with plates, once IV comes out then it's going to start causing problems I think.

Could be wrong though, we'll find out this month when they add it to the test server (if they can manage to stick to their timeline at all).

Think this is a bit closer to reality...

all wrong, how progression works in just about every MMO.



the only time this has ever been in the other direction was with abyssea, and they dubbed abyssea a failure, why? because people could farm what they wanted in quick succession, faster then they intended due to broken atma combinations, of which I'm shocked with all the nerfs, that they haven't started nerfing abyssea atmas.

Just about every event I can think of, this chart best describes peoples time and effort for a good reward, relic/mythic/empyrean upgrade to 99 w/ afterglow fitting it perfectly, or those that find ADL hard I guess it could be accurate as well.

I wasn't going for accuracy. Mostly I was poking at the horrid rate of VW drops, and those mules going 1/1 etc (note the little text in the top-left).

Anyway, I guess I'll keep my poor sense of humor to myself =\

They really don't care to go back and nerf abyssea because in the grand scheme of things, Abyssea isn't end game.

I've never had the urge to quit. Having seen this I'm finding myself questioning why not.

I was happy as hell when Abyssea came out, as it allowed people to get out of the old HNM system which was purely greed driven, often by unscrupulous individuals that did nothing other than use people to get what they wanted. In the majority of decent sized HNMLS it was always the case that the shellholder and officers were first in line to get the goodies while the grunts slaved away for months on end to get them what they wanted, with the promise that one day they might get a turn. Which rarely, if ever, happened. This was a dumb system that I was glad to be out of. Looks like the devs aren't happy that a lot of us split off into small low-man LS's to do our Empy's and are trying to force us all back into full-time alliances. Back to the old HNM ways then....no thanks. I did that for 3+ years straight and it's not happening again.

I'm not particularly looking forward to having to collect a ton of plates to get my Ukon to 95 as it is, having seen these follow-up quests to get it to 99 it just doesn't look like it's worth the hastle. Looks like I'll be leaving my Ukon @ 90 (once I finish it off that is).

Someone should go and slap the devs around with a reality bat, maybe they'll see sense. I thought 60 was bad enough, but a further 3,000 on top of that? What planet do these people live on?

i could give you an immediate list of at least 20 people who would try

Not particularly, I've only leveled jobs that I love to play and only attempt to gear them the best to my knowledge because I like them what happens because of the updates doesn't really shift what I do too much or what I level next. I think it'd be some sort of random funny for them to give fake emps some sort of meager status symbol which would attempt to bridge the gap, which wouldn't be covered because the real power of a relic/mythic/emp isn't the ws in question it's the aftermath, ODD, occasionally rapes twice/thrice that fake emps will probrably never have(read: the real trophy).

The value in them them hasn't changed as far as usuage, it's a somewhat more affordable gimmick to get done nowadays(relic) and emps are really more about patience and coordinating people to work with you than any real hassle. It definitely feels watered down that everyone(in a sense) has them or the best or near best weapons in the game only take 2~7 days to make and how non magian weapons past 85 are scaled so that the 85 versions are still slighty stronger than 95% of level 99 weapons.

I guess I should have said in a sentence that it doesn't really matter much to me people do their thing and I do mine doesn't change the memory or the personal value of what I achieve but I'm not blind how the system is. Sorry for a long winded answer btw I'm full of them.


Objectively speaking...since most people are making relics and being easy to guestimate at least 80% of them are doing arch dl to finish them how would you properly distribute drops that wouldn't take months to a year and a half on end to finish (ironically like how it used to be for people who made relics before the change)?

And Mitosis, your graph was funny because it was accurate

Paraphrase: They made your game hard so someone should inflict physical harm upon them because THEY don't understand the difference between reality/game.

Hehe

ITT: exaggeration is taken as literal threats of bodily harm.

Regardless, the Devs are still incredibly stupid and deserve to be fired for their incompetence.