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SOPA and PIPA
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-01-22 22:53:26
so?
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By Leviathan.Crawlerbasher 2012-01-22 22:56:58
Quetzalcoatl.Darsha
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By Quetzalcoatl.Darsha 2012-01-22 22:57:40
Petition to investigate Chris Dodd and the MPAA for bribery after he publicly admited to bribing politicans to pass legislation.
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/investigate-chris-dodd-and-mpaa-bribery-after-he-publicly-admited-bribing-politicans-pass/DffX0YQv
Quetzalcoatl.Darsha
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By Quetzalcoatl.Darsha 2012-01-22 23:15:46
Caitsith.Sai
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-22 23:47:42
No no no. Its Joe Pa that died, not SOPA.
Lakshmi.Jesi
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By Lakshmi.Jesi 2012-01-23 00:50:17
Quetzalcoatl.Darsha said: »Petition to investigate Chris Dodd and the MPAA for bribery after he publicly admited to bribing politicans to pass legislation.
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/investigate-chris-dodd-and-mpaa-bribery-after-he-publicly-admited-bribing-politicans-pass/DffX0YQv
What is sick about this is that it's not even bribery.
Bribery is when someone offers a politician a suitcase full of money to get something done in their favor. It's off the books.
How it really works is that companies openly give money to campaign funds and then the politicians do favors for them in return.
So what he said was perfectly legal. He said that if they don't support this, he wont give them any more campaign funds.
This is why our political system is so out of whack. Oh and here is a cool little tool you can use to see which comapanies gave to which political party and how much.
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Cerberus.Caitlinn
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By Cerberus.Caitlinn 2012-01-23 17:06:07
google, wiki, a few other major search engines, and quite a few others did it to show them what it would be like if the bill passed
Phoenix.Sphinxx
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By Phoenix.Sphinxx 2012-02-21 00:15:04
Figured I should bump this, and leave a link. Time to get angry again, internet.
Article copy/pasted: Quote: Senator Lamar Smith, lead sponsor of the currently dead SOPA bill you’ve heard so much about, has another bill in the works that uses Child Pornography as a screen to push through an amendment that’ll have your internet service provider tracking all of your financial dealings online. Each time you use a credit card, each time you read your bank statement, all of your IP information and your search history will be required by your ISP to be stored for 18 months at all times. This bill is H.R. 1981 and will have more dire consequences than SOPA or PIPA ever had the potential to have.
What it does is to amend several rules that have to do with Child Pornography and preventing it, the bill itself called the “Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act of 2011.” What it also does is to change the U.S. code Chapter 18 section 2703 Required Disclosure of Customer Communications or Records to include a requirement that your internet service provider do the following:
A commercial provider of an electronic communication service shall retain for a period of at least one year a log of the temporarily assigned network addresses the provider assigns to a subscriber to or customer of such service that enables the identification of the corresponding customer or subscriber information under subsection (c)(2) of this section.
While it was legal for the government to issue a subpoena for the viewing of the information they speak about here before, it was not part of the law that internet service providers capture or retain that information at any point. In effect, while before the authorities would need to first find a reason for you to need to be watched to get the ISP to start collecting information from you, that information will already exist on file, effectively meaning you’re being watched and recorded even if you’ve done nothing wrong.
Don’t worry though, there’s an additional set of lines that should placate you because it’s so very kind of them to think of:
(1) to encourage electronic communication service providers to give prompt notice to their customers in the event of a breach of the data retained pursuant to section 2703(h) of title 18 of the United States Code, in order that those effected can take the necessary steps to protect themselves from potential misuse of private information; and
(2) that records retained pursuant to section 2703(h) of title 18, United States Code, should be stored securely to protect customer privacy and prevent against breaches of the records.
So don’t worry, your information will be “stored securely” so noone else can access it! But if they do access it, your ISP will give you “prompt notice” so you can change all your credit card numbers, hide your kids, hide your wife, and hide your husband. This bill has currently cleared its committee, this meaning that the next step is a full vote. This bill needs to be stopped, and if I might go one better, Lamar Smith needs to be stopped, for the good of the internet and YOUR privacy.
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Lakshmi.Jesi
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By Lakshmi.Jesi 2012-02-21 01:13:05
*** genius move.
This is totally going to pass btw.
Because anyone against it is going to be labeled as someone for child porn or someone who hates children. I mean look at the ingenious name for the old bill:
“Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act of 2011.”
How can anyone be against such a bill? I mean it obviously protects children and that is good. To be against it is to hate children.
The argument for doing this, just like the reason why this passed in the first place, will be in the name of catching people with child porn. But once they have this data accessible at any time, they will be able to do amazing things with it. Like fine you for going to sites they can't shut down, like torrent sites.
So the fed gets more money in the form of fines, the prisons gains new prisoners and you lose more of your privacy. Win win win for the feds.
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Caitsith.Mahayaya
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2012-02-21 01:26:44
May (or may not) stop pedos? I'm 100% for it.
Also, if you're not doing anything wrong, why are you worried about them tracking, recording, surveying, propagandizing, indefinitely imprisoning, and/or torturing(not technically, just waterboarding) you?
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Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-02-21 01:54:00
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »May (or may not) stop pedos? I'm 100% for it.
Also, if you're not doing anything wrong, why are you worried about them tracking, recording, surveying, propagandizing, indefinitely imprisoning, and/or torturing(not technically, just waterboarding) you?
illogical...
Lakshmi.Mrfrodo
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By Lakshmi.Mrfrodo 2012-02-21 02:47:30
I'm not totally sure of the legal definition of treason but any any politician that is so grossly irresponsible or flat out stupid shouldnt be in office for life.
Lakshmi.Jesi
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By Lakshmi.Jesi 2012-02-21 02:49:52
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »May (or may not) stop pedos? I'm 100% for it.
Also, if you're not doing anything wrong, why are you worried about them tracking, recording, surveying, propagandizing, indefinitely imprisoning, and/or torturing(not technically, just waterboarding) you?
Please tell me you are joking. I never know with you.
Also I predict a new breed of viruses that makes your computer connect to child porn sites to send people to jail for the lawls.
This is going to be fun.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-02-21 02:53:24
they already have those.
personally I don't have a problem with people looking at whatever they want, I have an issue with those uploading it/creating it in the first place as it actually harms a child. (of course those who pay for it too as they perpetrate the problem).
that aside this bill like sopa/pipa will do nothing to stop what it says it's aim is. go figure.
somebody needs to tell them about the fallacy of tightening your grip...
You may have noticed a number of sites around the internet either going offline, or blacking themselves out today, in protest of two bills in the US Congress that were recently set to pass with nearly unanimous consent of both Republicans and Democrats. An enormous opposition movement has popped up among tech, game, and internet companies, and the bills are now stalled pending further review, but the Democratic (Senate) and Republican (House) leaders are still set on moving forward with them at some point, so it's still important to mention.
Here's a description of what these bills do in a nutshell, and why our users should be concerned.
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Probably the most important provision of online copyright law is something called the DMCA Safe Harbor Provision. This legal provision says that someone who hosts a site that allows user content (example: Google, which links to other sites, FFXI, which allows user chat, or even our site, which allows forum posts) is a legally separate entity from their users, as far as copyright violations are concerned.
In plain English, this means that if one of you decides to make a forum post linking to or re-posting copyrighted content, you are legally responsible. You can be sued. But as long as we make a good faith effort to remove the content as soon as we're notified, we (meaning Scragg, Cliff, and I) cannot be held personally responsible, nor directly sued for violation of copyright ourselves.
Similarly, Safe Harbor means that we cannot be held responsible for sites that we link to, should those sites violate copyright. In other words, if gamerescape, or wikia, or any of the sites linked in our item pages violate copyright somewhere on their own pages, that's their problem -- not ours.
The only way for a copyright holder to take legal action against FFXIAH.com is if they take us to court, and prove beyond a reasonable doubt that we purposely and actively engaged in the violation of copyright ourselves. Which is a pretty high bar to reach.
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SOPA and PIPA essentially remove the Safe Harbor provision. In other words, if one of you decides to link to copyrighted content on our forum, we are now directly and personally responsible, and can theoretically be sued for copyright violation as though we were the ones doing it ourselves. Similarly, if a site we link to (like wikia) decides to violate copyright, we can also be held responsible just for linking to them.
Worse, the bills remove the requirement to even take us to court. Copyright holders themselves (private entities) can now go straight to the internet's DNS authorities (the master address listing for all sites on the web) and file a complaint. This will immediately knock FFXIAH.com offline without so much as a court ruling. It's then incumbent upon us to fight back in court and earn the right to bring the site back.
Copyright holders argue this is necessary because they lose money for every second a site is allowed to link to, or feature, copyrighted content. They argue they need ultimate power to knock sites off the internet immediately, and only deal with the burden of proof later.
They promise to only use their new powers "sparingly" and "responsibly." I'm sure you can all guess how that one will end.
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This makes the internet a very dangerous place to operate. Google could be held responsible for returning links to any sites that could even possibly feature copyrighted content. (Which is most of them.) We could be forced to pre-censor all forum and user content for copyright violations before we could even put them online. Arguably, MMO's couldn't even allow users to speak freely in chat, as they might mention something copyrighted, which would make the MMO companies themselves legally responsible, and capable of being knocked offline without trial at the first complaint. Sites like Wikipedia, which are based entirely on user content, probably couldn't operate at all due to the inherent dangers. The effects would be widespread and very chilling to how the internet operates.
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Having worked in the games industry for 15 years, I'm acutely aware of the financial damage done by online piracy. This thread is not the place to argue the virtues or moral pitfalls of pirated content.
That being said, these bills are deeply flawed. They were written by major copyright holders (the recording and movie industries) to give them carte blanche ultimate authority over the internet. They comprise a massive overreach, and our elected representatives (who are too old to even understand how VCRs work, let alone the web) are too clueless to realize what's actually in them.
If you have a second, please sign one of the (many) online petitions in protest of SOPA and PIPA, and/or contact your representative or senator and urge them to oppose the bills. This is not a Democrat or Republican thing -- both parties have been equally supportive of the bills and both parties are responsible.
The massive outpouring of opposition from tech companies has caused many people in Congress to change their minds, and the White House has also now expressed reservations about signing the bills in their current form. But the battle isn't done yet. The bills still live, and will still be brought up in the next Congressional session.
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Thanks for taking the time to read this.
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