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Why is it so difficult to criticize Islam without angrying it deeply?
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-05-15 21:57:23
Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Phoenix.Kojo said: I DIDN'T EAT THAT *** SANDWICH OR THAT TOILET THING EITHER!!! U angrying? I angrying! sex and rage mix well. You're pregnant. SO WHAT? I still have a love-hole. But someone's already in there. XD i bet you wanna shake his hand :D its tiny still. You are wierd.. I never thought I, Kojo, would call someone wierd, but... I'm just your perfect match. I, will make life tasteful for Kojo.
*Jaw drops* Wut?
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-05-15 21:59:55
Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Phoenix.Kojo said: I DIDN'T EAT THAT *** SANDWICH OR THAT TOILET THING EITHER!!! U angrying? I angrying! sex and rage mix well. You're pregnant. SO WHAT? I still have a love-hole. But someone's already in there. XD i bet you wanna shake his hand :D its tiny still. You are wierd.. I never thought I, Kojo, would call someone wierd, but... I'm just your perfect match. I, will make life tasteful for Kojo.
*Jaw drops* Wut?
so, wanna see teh baby? lol
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-05-15 22:01:19
Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Phoenix.Kojo said: I DIDN'T EAT THAT *** SANDWICH OR THAT TOILET THING EITHER!!! U angrying? I angrying! sex and rage mix well. You're pregnant. SO WHAT? I still have a love-hole. But someone's already in there. XD i bet you wanna shake his hand :D its tiny still. You are wierd.. I never thought I, Kojo, would call someone wierd, but... I'm just your perfect match. I, will make life tasteful for Kojo. *Jaw drops* Wut? so, wanna see teh baby? lol
See, I'm not really father material.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-05-15 22:05:30
Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Phoenix.Kojo said: I DIDN'T EAT THAT *** SANDWICH OR THAT TOILET THING EITHER!!! U angrying? I angrying! sex and rage mix well. You're pregnant. SO WHAT? I still have a love-hole. But someone's already in there. XD i bet you wanna shake his hand :D its tiny still. You are wierd.. I never thought I, Kojo, would call someone wierd, but... I'm just your perfect match. I, will make life tasteful for Kojo. *Jaw drops* Wut? so, wanna see teh baby? lol
See, I'm not really father material.
I'm going afk for sky, been waiting for 2 hours already to start ~.~ I'll probably come back in 15 minutes swith some horrible news of hur hur hur i hate sky tonight.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-05-15 22:07:27
Massive derail... Seriously. A derail of such greatness that even I look back in confusion.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-05-15 22:08:25
Phoenix.Kojo said: Massive derail... Seriously. A derail of such greatness that even I look back in confusion.
I'll make love to your trolls.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-05-15 22:09:32
Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Massive derail... Seriously. A derail of such greatness that even I look back in confusion. I'll make love to your trolls.
Gee, I wonder how you got pregnant..
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-05-15 22:14:34
Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Massive derail... Seriously. A derail of such greatness that even I look back in confusion. I'll make love to your trolls.
Gee, I wonder how you got pregnant.. D: how rude!
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-05-15 22:15:50
Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Massive derail... Seriously. A derail of such greatness that even I look back in confusion. I'll make love to your trolls. Gee, I wonder how you got pregnant.. D: how rude!
If you're pregnant and single, I'd say you got troll'd.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-05-15 22:21:45
Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Massive derail... Seriously. A derail of such greatness that even I look back in confusion. I'll make love to your trolls. Gee, I wonder how you got pregnant.. D: how rude!
If you're pregnant and single, I'd say you got troll'd.
eh it happends...
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-05-15 22:26:42
Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Massive derail... Seriously. A derail of such greatness that even I look back in confusion. I'll make love to your trolls. Gee, I wonder how you got pregnant.. D: how rude! If you're pregnant and single, I'd say you got troll'd. eh it happends...
Ya, my sis got trolled 14 years ago. The resulting little *** has been eating ever since.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-05-15 22:33:41
Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Phoenix.Darki said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Massive derail... Seriously. A derail of such greatness that even I look back in confusion. I'll make love to your trolls. Gee, I wonder how you got pregnant.. D: how rude! If you're pregnant and single, I'd say you got troll'd. eh it happends...
Ya, my sis got trolled 14 years ago. The resulting little *** has been eating ever since.
lol :/
it sucks but oh well
atleast we take responsability
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By Cerberus.Legatus 2010-05-15 22:41:22
Thanks OP that was very insightful.
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By Siren.Quagmire 2010-05-15 22:49:58
Thank (insert your religious belief here)
I now feel as dumb as "half" the morons that posted on this thread. A serious topic in a video game thread... Good job. remind me why your parents didn't swallow that load (insert your name here) or use a condom? Best part is the 2 way conversations that derail threads. Good job, you got someone to read nonsense. My IQ isn't that high. Please don't lower it to your #.
Yes, I have now trolled... I'll return to caring what 95% of you think for the next topics such as Jews, Christians, Catholics, Mormons, etc...
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-05-15 22:56:28
TL;DR
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-05-15 23:06:37
eh ..we need another derail.
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By Unicorn.Ninetales 2010-05-15 23:08:08
Why is it so difficult to let threads die without angrying everyone deeply?
I think I figured out how it is possible that the large majority of people from the Muslim world would be so profoundly offended when their Prophet is criticized or made fun of. I mean, to them, it could very well look obvious, yet it seems they do not really understand why either. A lot of them just accept that someone would be killed for depicting the prophet Mohamed, even though we ask them why, in a way that we feel cannot be argued with. How is it possible that someone would be hated for openly making fun of something as mundane as religion, we ask? I think I can reasonably explain why they would accept the idea, believe it or not. I want to know what is to be done if we're going to help these people stop feeling so persecuted and if we’re going to finally gain the right to criticize Islam, as it should be, without threatening the people in it. The answer, I think, lies in our perceptions of what religion is versus where it should stand in relations to ethnicity. Help me out.
First, it is difficult to argue against the idea that Islam, to this day, is majorly against the advancement of secular culture. It is associated so directly to what I would refer, for lack of a better word, Arabian culture, that criticizing a religion tied so closely with it, appears (at least from my personal experience) to insult them, as people. Another factor to consider is how Muslims, despite their divisions, have the strength in numbers to lead us into being cautious about criticizing Islamic beliefs, even if it shouldn’t be so. Any critic, whether it is well intentioned or backed with incredibly solid and logical arguments, seems to backfire when it is targeted at Islam. More than often, it seems to be giving more reasons to feel justified, leading Islamic countries to cocoon themselves from modern secular culture. Unlike other ethnicities that are also extremely tied to their religion; the Jews, for example, the fact that they’re over a billion, somewhat gives them the mental ability to feel universally justified. It’s as if any strong criticism of Islam was a threat to their identity, integrity and intelligence, even when it’s not...
In a secular view, insulting religion doesn't necessarily equate to racial discrimination, and the fact that our western culture systematically ignores this, is the key point that prevents the western world from understanding why Muslims would be so offended. I have come to realize that a lot of Muslims try to say it, but it seems they do not understand what I am writing here, at least not enough to put it into the proper words that would make us understand. My goal is to help us both come to understand, through careful yet fortunate observations which I feel have led me to grasp some of this intricate psychology.
Let’s think for a second about this analogy: Let’s compare some white guy shouting racist comments towards blacks to your average non-Christian openly criticizing Christianity. Which is the worst, in the eyes of the average American, or European? Racism, isn’t it? Racism is undoubtedly the worst of those two things, at least according to our modern secular values. This is not to say that racism has been eradicated from the Western world, far from it. But even for the most racist among us in North America, it is extremely discouraged to make a racist statement publicly. It is not viewed as acceptable at all.
Have you ever seen a single Arabic person and expect him not to be a Muslim? It's as if their religion has so much grasp that it's nearly impossible for an Arabic person to not be a Muslim. But why doesn’t anyone seem to question this fact? Isn’t it fishy, considering that religion should be a choice? In fact, Muslims, in Muslim countries, are taught, from childhood, that the punishment for apostasy is death. The indoctrination is done to them so early in their life, and in such a strong and unquestionable way, that it achieves terrific results; it is almost irreversible. To them this is a good thing; to us, it’s just wrong.
In my opinion, the fact that Islam, as a religion, has been able to keep such a strong grasp, to this day, on the lives of the almost entirety of Arabic cultures is leading the Islamic world to a dangerous path. We all know that not only religion can be used to control masses, ii can also be a dangerous weapon. In America, some will argue, television is used for mass propaganda and it is difficult for the majority to avoid being brainwashed by many ideas that they would otherwise have never acquired as individuals. However, an average occidental still gets to make SOME choices about what morality should be; they chose whether they’ll be for or against abortion, whether they’ll be against slavery or not, whether they’ll vote for a black man or not.
It is possible to speak with a Muslim about what we dislike in Islam, without him getting angry. I have experienced it myself. It is difficult, however. Even as I was able to converse, I would feel the incredible pain that questioning one’s own identity can inflict on an indoctrinated individual. As we cannot tolerate being racially discriminated, they cannot tolerate negative criticism of Islam; they view is as their culture.
It may be sad to say, for most of us who wish for world peace, but secularism is not going to happen anytime soon in the Arab world. It could never be forced on Muslims. It is completely against their conception of what a religion should be and what place it should have in their life. Through what I have just explained, we can even understand the bottomless frustration of Muslims against non-Muslims when faced with debates like whether or not we should be banning the Burka in public spaces. The same issue arises: to us, it’s common sense and required for secularism, to them it’s a slap in the face, not as a Muslim but as an Arab. To us, it's freedom of speech; to them, it's against it. It is an insult to their culture, just as we would react to someone trying to deny our right to have a cultural background, just as we would react to a Muslim telling a White woman that wearing g-strings is degrading and wrong.
How can we possibly achieve a secular society, with Muslims living in it, if we do not agree on whether it’s okay to force someone to act secularly? Aren’t we stuck with the problem of having many kids arguing about who gets to play with the ball, while one of the kids sits on the ball, arguing that it should not be played with in the first place? How flexible can secularism be, without ending up betraying itself?
Can we find a temporary solution? I would like your opinion.
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